n30w1n Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Umm this is in no relation to the other gay poll we have going on, but rather an interesting discussion I had over breakfast a few days ago.. My fellows and I were discussing Canadian politicians and gay marriage came up as it's one of their campaign topics. A big question seemed to be whether it should be called gay marriage.. Now a lot of people say it shouldn't, that marriage has to be between a man and a woman, that it should be known as a "civil union," or even not be allowed. Personally I think it should be called marriage, nothing wrong with that. It certainly wouldn't make me, as a heterosexual guy, feel like any less of a spouse when I'm married. If anyone has read my responses to the other gay thread, you'd know I'm not a supporter of homosexuality. But I don't believe gays should be robbed out of any rights to live like the rest of us, I simply wish homosexuality were discouraged in society so that we have less and less of those heterosexual queers who choose to be gay to "experiment," for the "adventure" of it. But anyway, an interesting argument came up for the term marriage during my breakfast. One of the guys proposed a hypothetical situation where back when black people were recognized as equal, they would have been given the same rights as whites, but simply wouldn't be called "people." Obviously, this wouldn't work. It's outright offensive. I think the same would apply to gays. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Veteran Posted January 18, 2006 Veteran Share Posted January 18, 2006 Gay marriages are for gays, that are getting married. To backup that, its a marriage for two gays. So therefore it should be called a gay marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunamonkey Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think that it should just be called "marriage", no orientation should be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Where all civil, wouldn't be funny going around calling geeks, geek marriage, etc :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keito Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well I agree with you on the fact that it should be called marriage instead of something else. Why does it need to be different? It's the same thing, two people, same commitments etc. Only difference is the gender. I strongly DISAGREE with you though on this: I simply wish homosexuality were discouraged in society so that we have less and less of those heterosexual queers who choose to be gay to "experiment," for the "adventure" of it. Why not let the people do as they please? It's their right to chose with whom they elope and not... Society SHOULDN'T have an opinion about that IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catharsis Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hasn't been called marriage for all of existence, why start now? It goes against moral law and natural law. If we're willing to go against that, humanity has sunk to a new low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n30w1n Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think that it should just be called "marriage", no orientation should be included. Where all civil, wouldn't be funny going around calling geeks, geek marriage, etc :pinch: Okay well obviously Called Gay Marriage... is the option for just "marriage." :rolleyes: You wouldn't go around saying "I'm happily gay married." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macstorm Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 called something else but gay marriage even marriage itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think that it should just be called "marriage", no orientation should be included. Or needed. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunamonkey Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Okay well obviously Called Gay Marriage... is the option for just "marriage." :rolleyes: You wouldn't go around saying "I'm happily gay married." Well, you wrote it :p I didn't want to assume what you meant. Is the term marriage religious? Why was it classed at a civil wotsit in the first place and not just marriage like "normal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Does it even matter? Just call it marriage and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Diaper Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Where all civil, wouldn't be funny going around calling geeks, geek marriage, etc :pinch: Awe c'mon man, call it what it is. I'm so sick of this anal political correctness garbage. If two people are gay...they're gay! What do you want to call them next?, a marraige of two people of the same gender!?! :angry: It appears that people try to twist things so it doesn't sound so bad. But the truth as it is, you are what you are no matter how much you try to spin the words. From a moral standpoint I can't accept homosexuals and their lifestyle. But I refuse to stoop to a level and try to call gays something else so it sounds "cushioned" or more "user friendly". That's half of the problem with my country, always having to go around making others feel better about themselves by calling them something absurd like...gay= same gendered union? lol I'm not a disabled person, I'm considered a cripple.(for real) PC is a farce. It has been a problem for many years here in the US. Edited January 18, 2006 by Dirty Diaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruciz Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Marriage is the union of two people. I dont think that sexual preference or orientation should really matter. I know if I was gay I wouldn't be saying, "yea, Paul and I are gay married" - i would likly just say that we were married. Neither would I say "yeah, Paula and I are straight married" It really shouldn't matter. If I offended any Paul's or Paula's by saying this I am sorry, just trying to prove a point and am not referencing anyone to be of any sexual preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurë Veteran Posted January 18, 2006 Veteran Share Posted January 18, 2006 From a legal point I think it should just be called marriage. Where gay marriage or civil union is allowed, they have the same rights as straight couple i.e. are equal. Therefore the partnership should have the same name whether it is between a gay or straight couple. From a religious stand point...no comment. It is up to individual churches/religions what they think is right and I'm not going to change that. If a homosexual couple do not like the rules of their religion or their religious leaders persecute them, I think they should find a more tolerant church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hasn't been called marriage for all of existence, why start now? It goes against moral law and natural law. If we're willing to go against that, humanity has sunk to a new low. From what I remember there have been cultures over the years recognizing homosexual unions as a marriage. The moral law point is moot, as EVERY one of us goes against moral law EVERY year of our lives and you cannot possibly argue that. We are inheritly immoral creatures any way you look at it. The natural law point again is moot because let's assume a whopping 15% of our people decide to be gay. This more an over-estimate by far, but even so, that still leaves what, 4 billion people at least to reproduce? If only having 4 billion reproducing humans scares you to the point of us going extinct, I know some good mental wards. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted January 18, 2006 Subscriber² Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'd just call it "marriage". Why put the "gay" in? I mean: 1) It instantly discriminates and makes it "different". 2) It's kinda redundant. You see two guys getting married, you're not gonna need to be told it's a gay marriage. "I'm John, this is Pete. We're married" "Gay married?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n30w1n Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 You people aren't reading the post, marriage and gay marriage are the same option :shiftyninja: I pointed it out on the first page already, as well as interchanging between the words marriage and gay marriage in my original topic... The simplified question of this thread is, whether the word marriage should be present or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge00 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I don't understand how not allowing "gay marriage" (that's an oxymoron to me) is infringing on someone's rights. In the United States the right to marry has been extended to all residents. A homosexual has the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as a heterosexual does. There are no rights being infringed upon, just people trying to spin the right to include something it was never meant to include. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiver Veteran Posted January 18, 2006 Veteran Share Posted January 18, 2006 technically gay really is another word for happy :p just to **** in the pot a little more so everybody should be gay married in a sense ;) but acctually on subject here, im not fond of the idea but like people have said, they should have just as equal rights as anyone of us on this planet no matter what they might do differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifamous Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'll bite, but then I'll disappear and not read any replies. There's no such thing as "gay marriage." The definition of the word "marriage" excludes that use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 If you look at the word gay, the original defination had no bearing on sexuality. Just some food for thought. I guess we should start a campaign to reclaim the sanctity of gayness now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted January 18, 2006 Subscriber² Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'll bite, but then I'll disappear and not read any replies. No courage of your convictions then, to support your arguement. Marriage means simply a union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Whilst I don't support homosexuality I don't see any reason why a gay union shouldn't be called a "marriage" and afforded the same legal rights as a hetrosexual union. I personally don't see anything immoral with homosexuality, as all it is two people of the same sex wishing to spend time together and engage in recreational activities (sex)... how's that different to collecting stamps or worshipping God? It's just something to do - it doesn't matter how stupid it is as it doesn't impact upon others, it just makes the people involved happy. However, if people go around trying to convert others (whether that be to religion or homosexuality) then it impacts upon others and becomes a social issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flam1ngFir3ball Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Gay Marriage because it is not normal. Anyway it does'nt bother me that much some two people the same sex want to get married, but when they start adding children to the equation then that is where things are just WRONG. Children is a sacrifice that should be accepted when a gay marriage is performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Gay Marriage because it is not normal. Anyway it does'nt bother me that much some two people the same sex want to get married, but when they start adding children to the equation then that is where things are just WRONG. Children is a sacrifice that should be accepted when a gay marriage is performed. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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