Mr. Golden Deal Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Everyone knows only Mormons and Saddam Hussein live in Heaven, and c'mon, who would want to chill with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 God, in all likelihood, does not exist. And if he does, hell doesn't exist. So no, I am not scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 God, in all likelihood, does not exist. And if he does, hell doesn't exist. So no, I am not scared. Can't argue with that sound judgement. :huh: Where's the I'm not too worried option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Back to your case, God is perfect and just and almighty. Where do you get off saying that you're better than him because you haven't 'murdered' someone. Neither has He. But He is perfect, and that already gives him a 1-up on you, no? Time to recheck your thoughts! :) If god is perfect, why did he need to reboot the world with the flood? He even said afterwards that he would never do it again - why didn't he make the covenant the first damn time? Oh wait he already tried the whole trust thing with Adam and Eve, his perfect little creations, who ended up learning something and thus were booted. So let's see... How many times will he trust before he gives up? What is the saying, "fool me once..."? Can't argue with that sound judgement. :huh: Where's the I'm not too worried option. It is extremely sound. If god exists, hell does not. That should go without saying to anyone with a rational mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 So if God exists than all the rapists and such are still cool for heaven or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Golden Deal Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Well, you're assuming Heaven is a good place, rather than just being the afterlife. God still loves rapists, after all, and tormenting someone for eternity doesn't sound like something you do to a loved one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Exactly, Golden Deal. My point is, that if god does exist, it is highly unlikely to the point of near impossibility that he is the god that is written about in the bible. A god who is complex enough to create a universe does not communicate through a book that is so flawed it is laughable. He would most likely exist in a form and realm that we can not understand. There is no evidence that the candy-coated commercialized god christians believe in actually exists. And as I do not believe the bible (parts of it - such as revelations - written hundreds of years after jesus died) has any merit, the bit about the devil has no merit. I can see, if god were more traditional, that he would punish people by causing them to cease to exist, but sending them to eternal punishment -- bit much for a loving creator don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3wt Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 tormenting someone for eternity doesn't sound like something you do to a loved one. You know, some people like to be loved that way. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Chief Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I dont know if i shold post this but, here it goes. My phy prof, gave this example and proved that heaven is hotter than hell :cry: Example: Heaven is hotter then hell(Applied Optics 1972, 11, A14) The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation (H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300?K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798? absolute (525?C). The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6?C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6?C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.) We have then, temperature of heaven, 525?C (977?F). Temperature of hell, less than 445?F). Therefore heaven is hotter than hell. Note: A REFUTATION OF THE PROOF THAT HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL Dr. Tim Healey, F. R. C. R.; M. I. Nuc. E. in Applied Optics well decide whic one u got to me more scared:wacko: :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 You need to show some respect and keep that crap to yourself. Hypocracy at it's purest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Well, you're assuming Heaven is a good place, rather than just being the afterlife. God still loves rapists, after all, and tormenting someone for eternity doesn't sound like something you do to a loved one. I said or whatever. If you look at pretty much everything there is a duality. Good/Evil, Hot/Cold, Bright/Dark. Miran you said what you said like you had made some logical calculation to derive that outcome. It's as asinine as me saying if there is a such thing as God then obviously there can be no heaven. Exactly, Golden Deal. My point is, that if god does exist, it is highly unlikely to the point of near impossibility that he is the god that is written about in the bible. A god who is complex enough to create a universe does not communicate through a book that is so flawed it is laughable. He would most likely exist in a form and realm that we can not understand. There is no evidence that the candy-coated commercialized god christians believe in actually exists. And as I do not believe the bible (parts of it - such as revelations - written hundreds of years after jesus died) has any merit, the bit about the devil has no merit. I can see, if god were more traditional, that he would punish people by causing them to cease to exist, but sending them to eternal punishment -- bit much for a loving creator don't you think? Have you ever even opened a Bible? Flawed and laughable are pretty brash statements. Considering at least it is one of the most archeologically correct books written. Mabye you don't believe all the stories. Mabye the stories are allegories and we dont get it. But to write off the Bible without any justification is pretty much in line with the way you concluded there can't be a hell if God exists. Where is the logic? Is there any? Im not even suggesting Mr.Golden Deal is wrong per se. Im just saying you don't make any logical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazebee_ Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Wouldn't be able to sex anyone in heaven either, for example. Definitely not the same gender. Not the opposite gender either, for that matter, since God prefers to see only reproductive intercourse. Reproductive intercourse would be strictly forbidden in heaven, because of original sin. Heck, wouldn't even be allowed to j*** off up there. Just seems like a boring place to me. Anyway, what do you mean there is more to heaven? If we're talking an experience on a higher mental plane, I don't buy that. God doesn't want any competition (Babel, for example.), so I doubt he'd raise our mental capabilities. well, as a Christian, i believe that God designed sex; something that nearly everyone desires so much. And if God could make sex such a wonderful thing, cant heaven, be so much better? Just my two cents, not trying to stick my beliefs down your throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Exactly, Golden Deal. My point is, that if god does exist, it is highly unlikely to the point of near impossibility that he is the god that is written about in the bible. A god who is complex enough to create a universe does not communicate through a book that is so flawed it is laughable. He would most likely exist in a form and realm that we can not understand. There is no evidence that the candy-coated commercialized god christians believe in actually exists. And as I do not believe the bible (parts of it - such as revelations - written hundreds of years after jesus died) has any merit, the bit about the devil has no merit. I can see, if god were more traditional, that he would punish people by causing them to cease to exist, but sending them to eternal punishment -- bit much for a loving creator don't you think? I agree off course. God portrayed by religion is laughable to the point of near impossibility. I won't say it about the Bible, because I haven't actually read it. Although I still highly doubt Bible has any credibility to it at all. If you look at pretty much everything there is a duality. Good/Evil, Hot/Cold, Bright/Dark. Duality exists only in our minds because our brain logically breaks down parts of our reality into extremes to make things simple. Everything is relative. Hot refers to temperature of a physical body, what is hot for me, is not necessarily hot for you, etc. Dark is the just the absense of light. And there is no such thing as good/evil, at least not in a way we traditionally think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo12141 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 no because it doesnt exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol911 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hell does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epura Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Heaven and hell cannot be proved or disproved, so therefore its a waste of time talking about it. I agreed with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User6060 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I don't believe in a hell, and I'm having too much fun in life to be afraid of some after-life legend or be enticed into some bliss that people think can not be obtained in their actual lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leovanham Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I agreed with you i also agree with you both. and if there was a hell and its like it's described like in movies, i wouldnt want to be there. i live life the way i feel its right, no murder, i don't do things that are sick or twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Golden Deal Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I said or whatever. If you look at pretty much everything there is a duality. Good/Evil, Hot/Cold, Bright/Dark. That's not really true. Hot isn't the opposite of cold, cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. It's all the same thing, just differing levels. It's not a duality. Also, good and evil is contained within everybody, there is no external force of 'good' and 'evil' in conflict with each other. That sort of thinking just absolves people from personal responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.nudd Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Well, I noticed someone said they are enjoying life too much to worry about hell. I enjoy my life becuase I know I'm leading a life that would result in me not going to hell. It just depends on your idea of "enjoyment." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3wt Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Well, I noticed someone said they are enjoying life too much to worry about hell. I enjoy my life becuase I know I'm leading a life that would result in me not going to hell. It just depends on your idea of "enjoyment." That doesn't count as enjoyment, doing something for a perceived future gain isn't enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconian Guppy Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Why should I base my opinion on what some inexperienced angst filled teenager has to say? God doesn't exist because my goth girlfriend left me? I don't think so. This question will become clearer as people age. I may not know all the details but as it stands I do believe that there is something up there that has given the world its order. Free will explains all that is evil. :rofl: :yes: Agreed Hell is what YOU make of it ;) But anwsering the original post, I hope not, i've not lived a sinful life I guess Although I'm only 22, so I've no clue what I might do in my next 100 years. :shiftyninja: Victor Rambo 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 What can be worse than wars, hatred, everday bloodshed, deadly viruses and etc?! Besides, if one doesn't believe in hell why should one be afraid of it. :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I don't believe in hell. I personally believe the idea of hell was designed to make people afraid of being "impure". There are people all over the world who do the very best they can to live a positive life and they still suffer more than I will ever know or understand. If there is something worse than famine, genocides, and indefinite poverty then God is losing the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted February 5, 2006 Global Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2006 Nope. when im dead, i won't really care.. God will have no further use for me.. so pack my bags, and give me my 1 way ticket to hell :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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