PS3 Not to deliver 1080p as promised

[magik]

Report from Megagames.com via Digg:

The first people to have had a look at the new Playstation 3 in action and that can comment on their experience, have spoken and they claim that quality is not that of the Killzone video but is certainly of the same level as the MGS 4 movie recently shown. We are warned however that very few developers will be able to reach MGS4 levels and even they will have to wait some time before they are familiar enough with the machine to reach that kind of visual excellence.

Now that most developers have received their final PS3 development kits, website Kikizo has managed to sneak into some of them and offer us a peek at the machine that will challenge XBox 360 for next-generation supremacy. The account provided by the people that tried the new Playstation games is, unfortunately, a very vague one and provides basic information which most of us suspected but it does offer some insight and a straightforward, if diplomatic, comparison of the two new systems by a developer.

So we are told not to expect visuals of the same quality as the Killzone video showcased at last year's E3 but that the titles witnessed by the Kikizo journalist, are truly worthy of the next-gen tag.

In a diplomatic comparison of the two next-generation consoles, the Kikizo source states: ...the Xbox 360 and PS3 are same-generation machines. One doesn't have additional effects over the other - 360 can do the same effects, just not as many of them simultaneously and with less geometry [because of the speed difference], but memory bottlenecks can kill part of the PS3 speed advantage anyway... the overall visual difference it makes will depend a lot on the developer's skill, and how much time and money the publisher spends on a game. So Sony's console won't have extra tricks up its sleeve it will just be able to do more of them at the same time.

Since the versions of the games witnessed by the journalists are not final we are told that some improvements are expected especially since no Blu-Ray drives or controllers were included in the SDKs used. This latter fact also suggests that there may be some basis to the rumors of a possible failure by Sony to launch its new console this spring.

Whatever changes are made to the hardware however, we are told that Sony will not be able to meet its initial target of 1080p Full HD that it had originally set and will instead deliver 720p and will upscale it or allow the new TVs to do so. This, apparently, will save CPU cycles and will save gamers from the dreaded loss of frame rate.

So when will we get to play it? Kikizo's source claims: We think that in Japan it will most likely release during Summer, Q4 in the US, and Europe in Winter or Spring 2007 - these are our internal projections.

So there you have it PS3 will probably be delayed in the U.S. while the experience has left Kikizo staff with a feeling of disappointment since the PS3 is unlikely to reach the level of visual quality suggested by E3 2005. Still expect PS3 titles to continually improve as developers become more familiar with the hardware and hopefully, as Sony begins to provide them with actual consoles.

Note: All bolded text was also bolded on the source site.

Edited February 21, 2006 by magik

[thagame]

ill come back when i can muster up a surprised look.

[MrCobra]

Who would have thought that they wouldn't make good on promises made. No company does or ever will. No surprise.

[thagame]

Who would have thought that they wouldn't make good on promises made. No company does or ever will. No surprise.

its not no companies. its sony most of all

[-Anthony]

I have already read this article and who is this Kikzo's source ?

Sony reps just denied a delay so this whole article seems vague to me. I will wait until I get official comfirmation from Sony.

I dobn't know about not having 1080p support either. Everybody was critisazing Sony for supporting and unavailable format back.

[bontakun]

i don't have a clue when people are going to learn that it's the games that sell systems not graphics, graphics are what get's your attention

[TheNay]

From Digg its coming up "That item was not found", anyways I could careless for 1080p, or HD for that matter, I have an HDTV with 1080p and I don't see a difference really, and I do have an HDTV Terminal hooked up, and go to the HDTV channels I don't see what the big deal is? I think its just a standard to get DRM in quicker (HDCP or whatever it is) to come. I wonder whats next after HDTV? :wacko:

[Tungsten T]

Who gives a ****. Most people that arent tech freaks dont have hdtv let alone ****ing nextgen HD.

[+StevoFC MVC]

I have already read this article and who is this Kikzo's source ?

Sony reps just denied a delay so this whole article seems vague to me. I will wait until I get official comfirmation from Sony.

yeah this article is pretty old and has been posted before.

[magik]

Who gives a ****. Most people that arent tech freaks dont have hdtv let alone ****ing nextgen HD.

It's just funny because the diehard Sony/PS3 fanboys touted: "1080p! 1080p!!!" till no end. :laugh:

From Digg its coming up "That item was not found", anyways I could careless for 1080p, or HD for that matter, I have an HDTV with 1080p and I don't see a difference really, and I do have an HDTV Terminal hooked up, and go to the HDTV channels I don't see what the big deal is? I think its just a standard to get DRM in quicker (HDCP or whatever it is) to come. I wonder whats next after HDTV? :wacko:

Neowin formatted the URL kind of weird because of the ending "." in the URL, I fixed it by adding a "/" to the end of it, works now.

[icecaveman]

Who gives a ****. Most people that arent tech freaks dont have hdtv let alone ****ing nextgen HD.

Because Sony lied to our face touting 1080p was true HD, 720p was not and PS3 would be the first true High Definition console with it's superior 1080p. Yeah and I do believe they did specifically mention Xbox 360 is not HD console (Their words, not mine) :whistle:

But I'll quit here.

[yankee lion]

As if the Kikizo article wasn't iffy enough, Megagames.com felt they needed to label it as fact and put it on their site.

[MadFerIt]

It's pretty obvious PS3 games for the most part won't render internally at 1080p. To produce graphics like MGS4 at 1080p internally would require a level of power the PS3 does not have.

Now you can argue that all you want. But 1080p is 1920x1080p.. Anyone who plays PC games knows how much power you need to render advanced graphics at those resolutions.

Now games that don't have as much "advanced graphics" may be able to render interally at 1080p. So some games will.

But.. The PS3 will upscale to 1080p. That means while it's not rendering internally at that resolution, those who have 1080p sets will benefit. So it's still going to be a great feature (I can't confirm that the PS3 upscales to 1080p btw, but it would make sense).

[firen]

article is old news..

[Laughing-Man]

article is old news..

yeah this article is pretty old and has been posted before.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=431235

I'm sure the 88% of people who own standard TVs are shocked by the bombshell of a revelation that they can't play games at 1080i/p that they couldn't do in the first place.

You missed the most important part of the original Kikzo article:

The hands-on evidence is beginning to mount up. We're talking about a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It's certainly obvious this machine is not "twice" as powerful as 360, let alone a generational leap ahead. But the gap could become bigger: "Realistically, as libraries and experience with both machines grow, I think the PS3 will start showing things the 360 will choke at," offers the source. "But Sony will have to make available to us libraries and new routines for that to happen - something they've been severely lacking at so far."

Edited February 21, 2006 by jmole