American Government


Is the US Administration/Government evil?  

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  1. 1. Is the US Administration KNOWINGLY causing problems/war/conflict in the world and therefore a force of evil?

    • Yes / No doubt - An evil, evil government, corrupt and decaying...
      40
    • No / Don't be silly - They're doing what any government would do, a force for justice and good...
      36
    • Not sure / Can't tell
      9
  2. 2. If the US administration/government is evil and corrupt, what would you like to see done about it?

    • Nothing - They're not evil and corrupt!
      23
    • Nothing - They'll be replaced by someone democratically, eventually
      28
    • I want them forcibly removed from power by the American people
      27
    • I want them forcibly removed from power by another world power/country (however unlikely)
      7


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The US government is a belligerent bully, hell bent on subversive world domination.

I despise them because of their actions in relation to their position politically and militarily.

I want to see them removed and officials in the administration taken to trial for Crimes against Humanity. Not just the current Administration either, there are plenty of others that went before that started the ball rolling.

/discus

And you're a belligerent idiot. The US Government is hell bent on subversive world domination? How do you come to that conclusion? What crimes against humanity has the government been responsible for?

There are no claims at all, just a general opinion. It's not just about Bush either. It's about his government and its actions either dependant on him and his instruction or otherwise. It's also about American government as a world political, social and military force that affects other nations.

In my opinion, American government has done a great deal of harm to other nations of recent times, and from what i can tell, some of it deliberate in order to protect it's own vested interests but not necessarily the interests of its own people. It has a lot to answer for, not least of which it's foreign policy.

What harm has the American government caused to another nation? How is it harmful to remove a man responsible for the mass murders of tens of thousands? How is liberating a nation from a cruel and dominating dictator a bad thing? Next you'll be telling me that Bush pays the terrorists to keep attacking us because he wants the oil!

Lets be clear about this: At no point have I stereotyped a country. I'm talking specifically about the government.

I've been very careful with my wording. Re-read my original post and poll questions carefully before flaming please.

As for ScottKin, again, re-read my post and poll questions.

My poll is very obviously not a Flame-war/blah blah blah. Instead of jumping to conclusions about what you think i've said, try reading carefully what i've actually said and the questions i've asked.

The poll is open ended. There are clear options there to vote negatively on the premise of my post.

I know this is a highly charged subject, which is exactly why i'm very interested in peoples views, my own being very strong.

Peace!

To be clear, I don't believe that Bush would have to do the things he's doing if it weren't for the lackadaisical policies and actions of the Clinton administration. Now everybody thinks it's all Bush's fault because Clinton wouldn't get off his ass and stand up for the country.

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None of the options really fit for me. It is not that the government is evil, as much as the government is ignorant.

Definitely NOT ignorant. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. It's called paving the way for the New World Order.

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Given my clearly stated point of view in relation to the poll, people responding to the poll would either agree or disagree. There are options to place a "disagreeing" vote.

You're somehow implying I am influencing the vote. I don't think I have that power. I can't do Jedi mind-tricks.... :whistle:

An open ended question does not allow one to agree or disagree, it ALLOWS those responding to formulate their own anwser. As I stated the wording should have been "What are your thoughts/views/opinions of the current administration. That is completely open ended to allow those to answer on their own accord.

I'm not implying I'm telling you that you are. Go do some research on how to perform unbiased methodical reasearch, which covers polls.

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There are no claims at all, just a general opinion. It's not just about Bush either. It's about his government and its actions either dependant on him and his instruction or otherwise.

The US government is a belligerent bully, hell bent on subversive world domination.

I despise them because of their actions in relation to their position politically and militarily.

I want to see them removed and officials in the administration taken to trial for Crimes against Humanity. Not just the current Administration either, there are plenty of others that went before that started the ball rolling.

/discus

You are claiming that the Bush Administration has commited 'Crimes Against Humanity', amongst other things, despite providing absolutely no justification.

My examples of posts (IE: I love Bush) were in no way reflective of this, it was merely an example.

Given my clearly stated point of view in relation to the poll, people responding to the poll would either agree or disagree. There are options to place a "disagreeing" vote.

You're somehow implying I am influencing the vote. I don't think I have that power. I can't do Jedi mind-tricks.... :whistle:

When your poll leaves such a narrow choice of opinion, you are influencing it. By your poll, we must either vote the Bush Administration as 'evil', or good. We're not allowed to voice our opinions, merely a limited set provided by you, a clearly biased person.

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Agrestis, please let me address your ignorance.

Ways I feel the US has caused harm to other countries and herself:

-Setting a poor example to the world by going around U.N. rules multiple times

-Sending arms to Middle Eastern countries in effort to combat Communism, countries we're now fighting

-The country was founded on a bloodbath known as Manifest Destiny. For those of you unaware, manifest destiny translates to "**** you natives, we want this land and are prepared to destroy you and your way of life to obtain it." Objective complete, Native Americans are scarce and left to humble reservations, hardly a comparison to the way things were.

-Wounded Knee Massacre

-Atomic bombing of Japan, where 90% of the csualties are reported to be civilian

This is only a brief list of what would qualify as a book. ;)

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Raum, you might want to get your history straight. Manifest Destiny was way after the country was founded. I'm not arguing that the destruction we caused to natives was okay by any means, but if you're going to attack the founding of this country, at least get it straight. The founding of the USA was bold and noble, not some bloodbath.

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Raum, you might want to get your history straight. Manifest Destiny was way after the country was founded. I'm not arguing that the destruction we caused to natives was okay by any means, but if you're going to attack the founding of this country, at least get it straight. The founding of the USA was bold and noble, not some bloodbath.

Yes the initial founding of it was, but the expansion and treatment of the American Indians is one of the most wrongful things done to a culture in the past 500 years IMO. In my eyes it ranks up there with the holocaust, yet most Americans could give a smaller **** about it. It'd be like if the Germans acted all ignorant and non-caring about the atrocities their country comittied and their Jewish population were still largely held in ghettos.

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I specifically said I wasn't disputing the tragedy of it, but the USA wasn't founded on Manifest Destiny, as that occured after the founding. I agree, it was horrible what we did to the natives.

That aside, this poll and topic are about the current state of affairs.

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Agrestis, please let me address your ignorance.

Ways I feel the US has caused harm to other countries and herself:

-Setting a poor example to the world by going around U.N. rules multiple times

-Sending arms to Middle Eastern countries in effort to combat Communism, countries we're now fighting

-The country was founded on a bloodbath known as Manifest Destiny. For those of you unaware, manifest destiny translates to "**** you natives, we want this land and are prepared to destroy you and your way of life to obtain it." Objective complete, Native Americans are scarce and left to humble reservations, hardly a comparison to the way things were.

-Wounded Knee Massacre

-Atomic bombing of Japan, where 90% of the csualties are reported to be civilian

This is only a brief list of what would qualify as a book. ;)

As far as I know we aren't at war with any country. We are at with the terrorist groups who attack our people in those countries and our own. I don't believe that going around or even over the United Nations is setting a poor example. The United Nations is a governing body with no way to enforce its own rules. They get pushed around by countries such as N. Korea and Iraq and what do they do, put sanctions on them?!?! Big deal! If even one superpower left the UN they would fall apart. Anyway that's another discussion.

I don't know how you can talk about my ignorance and then go and say something about the American Indians and the atomic bombing of Japan. How many innocent Chinese did Japan masacre, you didn't feel like including that did you. Not to mention all the other small countries that they invaded. I'm not saying that we should have dropped the bombs on Japan, I am just saying that Japan wasn't an innocent victim.

Again, what America did to the Native Americans wasn't right but what can we do about it now? What does anything you talked about have to do with Bush or the current US Government besides your first point? If you're going to defend your view then at least use valid information that pertains to the subject.

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As far as I know we aren't at war with any country. We are at with the terrorist groups who attack our people in those countries and our own. I don't believe that going around or even over the United Nations is setting a poor example. The United Nations is a governing body with no way to enforce its own rules. They get pushed around by countries such as N. Korea and Iraq and what do they do, put sanctions on them?!?! Big deal! If even one superpower left the UN they would fall apart. Anyway that's another discussion.

I don't know how you can talk about my ignorance and then go and say something about the American Indians and the atomic bombing of Japan. How many innocent Chinese did Japan masacre, you didn't feel like including that did you. Not to mention all the other small countries that they invaded. I'm not saying that we should have dropped the bombs on Japan, I am just saying that Japan wasn't an innocent victim.

Again, what America did to the Native Americans wasn't right but what can we do about it now? What does anything you talked about have to do with Bush or the current US Government besides your first point? If you're going to defend your point then at least use valid information that pertains to the subject.

You said, and I quote, "What harm has the American government caused to another nation?" If you wished for modern examples, you should of stated such. Again, if you wished for examples where we harmed purely innocent countries, you should of stated exactly that. I mention your ignorance because that is exactly what your original question was. If you would of asked, "What harm has the US done to other countries in the past 5 years that wasn't justified by a greater outcome?" I would of seen that as a far more intelligent question to ask, though still an uneducated one.

Japan wasn't innocent, but how many of those civilians were firing at the planes that bombed them, I wonder?

The Native American example was to show that most Americans live where they do as a result of us harming others. Claiming we have a right to sail our boats here and take this land from the people who have lived on it for centuries. The fact that they refused and in many cases ended up forcibly resisting was used as justification to go to war. History repeats itself.

But I'm going to go continue re-reading Walden. Bye. :)

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The US government is a belligerent bully, hell bent on subversive world domination.

I despise them because of their actions in relation to their position politically and militarily.

I want to see them removed and officials in the administration taken to trial for Crimes against Humanity. Not just the current Administration either, there are plenty of others that went before that started the ball rolling.

/discus

Listen Bin Laden, I see you don't live in the U.S., so you really have no say in our electoral process. If we were an "evil empire," then we would be running Iraq, and not an elected parliamentary government. America and it's allies, one of which is your country, are the only countries in this world freeing nations from dictators. Sounds like we're the opposite of an evil empire, aren't we?

Agrestis, please let me address your ignorance.

Ways I feel the US has caused harm to other countries and herself:

-Setting a poor example to the world by going around U.N. rules multiple times

-Sending arms to Middle Eastern countries in effort to combat Communism, countries we're now fighting

-The country was founded on a bloodbath known as Manifest Destiny. For those of you unaware, manifest destiny translates to "**** you natives, we want this land and are prepared to destroy you and your way of life to obtain it." Objective complete, Native Americans are scarce and left to humble reservations, hardly a comparison to the way things were.

-Wounded Knee Massacre

-Atomic bombing of Japan, where 90% of the csualties are reported to be civilian

This is only a brief list of what would qualify as a book. ;)

I'm sure you're enjoying your life in Ohio coaching the US from the bench, criticizing everything we do. Well bud, love it or leave it. If you don't like our country, there are many other ones you can go to. We certainly don't need your kind here.

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The greatest patriots are those that can see fault in those they patronize.

I would also like to add this is a topic in which I specifically entered to discuss the negative sides of my government. I can give you a list as long as my arm of good things the United States has done.

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You said, and I quote, "What harm has the American government caused to another nation?" If you wished for modern examples, you should of stated such. Again, if you wished for examples where we harmed purely innocent countries, you should of stated exactly that. I mention your ignorance because that is exactly what your original question was. If you would of asked, "What harm has the US done to other countries in the past 5 years that wasn't justified by a greater outcome?" I would of seen that as a far more intelligent question to ask, though still an uneducated one.

Japan wasn't innocent, but how many of those civilians were firing at the planes that bombed them, I wonder?

The Native American example was to show that most Americans live where they do as a result of us harming others. Claiming we have a right to sail our boats here and take this land from the people who have lived on it for centuries. The fact that they refused and in many cases ended up forcibly resisting was used as justification to go to war. History repeats itself.

But I'm going to go continue re-reading Walden. Bye. :)

Why would I be talking about any other timeframe...the topic is about the current US Government. I guess I'll just have to spell everything out for you in the future. It's not an uneducated question if you would look at what the original poster said. If you want an example of uneducated just read his post.

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The greatest patriots are those that can see fault in those they patronize.

I would also like to add this is a topic in which I specifically entered to discuss the negative sides of my government. I can give you a list as long as my arm of good things the United States has done.

You can find fault in the US over the years, but saying our "evil empire" has caused harmed to others just leads me to ask, "why are you still here?"

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Listen Bin Laden, I see you don't live in the U.S., so you really have no say in our electoral process. If we were an "evil empire," then we would be running Iraq, and not an elected parliamentary government. America and it's allies, one of which is your country, are the only countries in this world freeing nations from dictators. Sounds like we're the opposite of an evil empire, aren't we?

I'm sure you're enjoying your life in Ohio coaching the US from the bench, criticizing everything we do. Well bud, love it or leave it. If you don't like our country, there are many other ones you can go to. We certainly don't need your kind here.

Boy, are you misguided. I love my country and it's troops, but, I too, despise our current Administration. They are taking us down the road to Martial Law, Big Brother and Corporate and Political facism. You can't deny this. Halliburton, F.E.M.A., our total lack of foreign policy, W.M.D.'s, the way THIS Administration is the MOST secret Administration in the history of America, etc. Every other day we have another negative story or scandal that hits this White House. I'll say this.....what the hell does it take to get fired? If G.W. were in charge of even a McDonalds, he'd be in the unemployment line faster than you could say "Supersize Me". If you would like more examples, let me know.....I got tons of 'em!

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Boy, are you misguided. I love my country and it's troops, but, I too, despise our current Administration. They are taking us down the road to Martial Law, Big Brother and Corporate and Political facism. You can't deny this. Halliburton, F.E.M.A., our total lack of foreign policy, W.M.D.'s, the way THIS Administration is the MOST secret Administration in the history of America, etc. Every other day we have another negative story or scandal that hits this White House. I'll say this.....what the hell does it take to get fired? If G.W. were in charge of even a McDonalds, he'd be in the unemployment line faster than you could say "Supersize Me". If you would like more examples, let me know.....I got tons of 'em!

Can I get an example of how we're heading towards Martial Law, Big Brother and Corporate and Political facism?

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I look at this with the philosophy that power corrupts people, and I don't trust the United States government to be beyond that. It corrupts everyone eventually and the United States has a lot of power, as everyone knows. They haven't done anything to make me trust them but they have done the exact opposite many times.

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Source of all evil

LOL! that's hillarious. this should be in the jokes section.

btw, you may want to run a spell checker before posting...makes you look smarter.

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This is insane. There is simply too much room here for breaking the rules. (calling people names, and so on)

So...

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at least for now

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