Apple reveals faster Power Mac


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Apple Computer said Wednesday it has started shipping its top-of-the-line dual processor 1.25GHz Power Mac.

Apple unveiled the machine last month but said that it would not start shipping the hardware until the second half of September. The Power Mac borrows some of its internal architecture--including faster double data rate (DDR) memory--from the Xserve server that Apple debuted this spring.

Although the Power Mac has received several speed boosts, the change in architecture is the first major upgrade to the line in about 18 months. The 1.25GHz model sells for $3,299 and comes with 512MB of memory, a 120GB hard drive, ATI's Radeon 9000 Pro graphics card as well as a "SuperDrive" that can burn both CDs and DVDs.

In August, Apple shipped a dual processor 867MHz PowerPC G4 system that includes 256MB of RAM and a 60GB hard drive for $1,699. Also, the company offered a dual processor 1GHz system that includes an 80GB hard drive, SuperDrive and ATI Radeon 9000 Pro graphics card for $2,499.

Power Mac sales have suffered amid a slumping economy and weakness in the graphics and advertising industries that are major buyers of Apple's professional line. In the quarter ending in June, Apple shipped 167,000 Power Macs, down from 211,000 in the prior quarter.

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Why do people buy Mercedes and BMW? They are WAY overpriced and they work the same way as any other car.

Answer: Status symbol and fine engineering. Plus the warranties cover EVERYTHING and the kitchen sink.

(Who else is going to ship you a pre-paid box to ship your laptop overnight to get fixed in three days 'guaranteed', then shipped back to you overnight, with no out-of-pocket expenses on your part?)

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Originally posted by AGW83

No offense but the dual 1.25 GHz machines have been out for at least a month if not longer.

Honestly why do people bother with macs.

People with a lot of money that don't know any better, or people that are making an attempt to be different at the cost of usability, performance, and upgradability. :right:

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Originally posted by azazel-

People with a lot of money that don't know any better, or people that are making an attempt to be different at the cost of usability, performance, and upgradability. :right:

Hey, I use a PC b/c I know what the hell I'm doing, but there are a lot of idjits out there that dont and run into PC trouble all the time. Like my friend Andrew, he's dumb as a post, always DLing p0rn and installing programs that hose his comp up, I've had to become admin for his comp and limit his account b/c of all that. But many people out there dont have friends like me to control and fix his comp when he screws it up, and Dell is not going to come out to his house everyday to fix his wallpaper b/c he accidentally copied a naked girl to wallpaper and a p0rn site as his start page, and cant take directions over the phone. Some people will never get the "computer" thing even in this day and age. These people dont need performance, or upgradability, never will.

(And I'm sorry no offense, but the usability is no argument, Macs have just as much if not more usability than a PC. Just less programs, but the Mac comes with all the iApps 80% of the home users need anyways.) :ponder:

For those types of people, as well as everyone else that doesnt feel like messing with their computer everyday, there is a Mac. :bandit:

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WebOrbiter, your friend could just as easily mess up or do all those things on a mac. They aren't that different from a PC, same virus susceptibility, same file structure, etc. The only real difference is the price, performance, and appearance.

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Let's try to keep this civil and ON TOPIC. The topic WAS on Apple releasing new PMac, not mac vs pc.

Yes the newer PMacs were announced over a month ago, but the dual 1.25 gig just started shipping only a few days ago, if even that long ago.

I'm pretty disappointed in Apple though. They release a neutered DDR system that performs no better than Quicksilvers at the same speed. The main difference is more expansion and better cooling. Most believe this step was to prepare for the next big processor

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Originally posted by RodneyCK

WebOrbiter, your friend could just as easily mess up or do all those things on a mac. They aren't that different from a PC, same virus susceptibility, same file structure, etc. The only real difference is the price, performance, and appearance.

same file structure ?

what exactly do you mean by that ?

and arent there only a handful of viruses that attack macs ?

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macs do not have the same virus susceptibility. they can be a host for the virus, but the virus does not affect them. the overwhelming majority of all viruses will only work in win32 environments. in fact, basically all viruses that can infect a mac are able to do so ONLY to microsoft software installed on it. now isnt that special??

people "bother" with macs because they are easy and fun to use. yes i can edit all my linux config files, yes i can tweak windows to be my biotch. but there is something to be said about owning a machine that is elegant from the inside all the way to the outside. 95% of the appeal of using a mac is the comfort it gives you. it looks good, it works well, it is NOT slow. it may be less fast than PC counterparts, but it takes less time to deal with the interface of the mac.

i've had my iBook for about a year now, and i am selling my pc. it was nice, i built it, powerful, etc. i ran linux, bsd, win2k, winxp betas and final...etc etc etc. but now when i use it, i just want to go back to my mac. there is no statistic or benchmark for that. i spend more money, and i got a machine i am completely happy with.

more programs on pc?? blahblahblah. ive heard it all. theres more crappy programs yes. when it comes to productivity solutions and capability, the mac does not lag behind the pc. when it comes to games, it does. i dont game anymore anyways. thats why i have a gamecube.

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Originally posted by WebOrbiter

Hey, I use a PC b/c I know what the hell I'm doing...

Ditto. ;)

Originally posted by WebOrbiter

Some people will never get the "computer" thing even in this day and age. These people dont need performance, or upgradability, never will.

(And I'm sorry no offense, but the usability is no argument, Macs have just as much if not more usability than a PC. Just less programs, but the Mac comes with all the iApps 80% of the home users need anyways.) :ponder:

For those types of people, as well as everyone else that doesnt feel like messing with their computer everyday, there is a Mac. :bandit:

AMEN. :)

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Originally posted by WebOrbiter

Why do people buy Mercedes and BMW? They are WAY overpriced and they work the same way as any other car.

Answer: Status symbol and fine engineering. Plus the warranties cover EVERYTHING and the kitchen sink.

(Who else is going to ship you a pre-paid box to ship your laptop overnight to get fixed in three days 'guaranteed', then shipped back to you overnight, with no out-of-pocket expenses on your part?)

well correctly..... i think we should look for another OS... probably it would give us better

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Originally posted by RodneyCK

WebOrbiter, your friend could just as easily mess up or do all those things on a mac. They aren't that different from a PC, same virus susceptibility, same file structure, etc. The only real difference is the price, performance, and appearance.

hello mr. anti-mac.

let us debunk your claims, shall we?

"They aren't different from a PC" -

Ok, I'm sitting with an iMac infront of my and my pc next to me. I believe I can attest to the fact that my Mac is VERY VERY different from my PC on MANY levels: Design, Operation, Speed, Efficiency, UI, etc etc.

"same virus susceptibility" -

Last I checked, Klez didn't work on Mac :p In fact, check the symantec virus library. The numbers for mac viruses are FAR fewer than ones for the PC. I'm sorry, you just cannot make a claim like this...

"same file structure" -

Um, are you familiar with HFS and NTFS? They're not even REMOTELY related. Then open up terminal on a Mac, cd , and ls. Then open up cmd.exe on a pc and cd and dir. Do you see the same thing? I don't think so. If you mean taht they both contain files and folders, I'd ask you what ELSE could exist there?????

"The only real difference is the price, performance, and appearance"

Lets see. I paid $2k for my iMac. It does EVERYTHING that I did on my PC with a faster interface, better accessability and useablity of that interface (for more efficient operation on my end of things), and looks better. hm..... same price for the pc, but nothing raelly extra. Ok, unless you're running Seti@Home or something intensive, the Mac is probably going to do better than the PC becuase the speed of the interface and working with it is faster and more efficient.

Sorry, you lose :p

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Originally posted by timdorr

hello mr. anti-mac.

let us debunk your claims, shall we?

"They aren't different from a PC" -

Ok, I'm sitting with an iMac infront of my and my pc next to me. I believe I can attest to the fact that my Mac is VERY VERY different from my PC on MANY levels: Design, Operation, Speed, Efficiency, UI, etc etc.

"same virus susceptibility" -

Last I checked, Klez didn't work on Mac :p In fact, check the symantec virus library. The numbers for mac viruses are FAR fewer than ones for the PC. I'm sorry, you just cannot make a claim like this...

"same file structure" -

Um, are you familiar with HFS and NTFS? They're not even REMOTELY related. Then open up terminal on a Mac, cd , and ls. Then open up cmd.exe on a pc and cd and dir. Do you see the same thing? I don't think so. If you mean taht they both contain files and folders, I'd ask you what ELSE could exist there?????

"The only real difference is the price, performance, and appearance"

Lets see. I paid $2k for my iMac. It does EVERYTHING that I did on my PC with a faster interface, better accessability and useablity of that interface (for more efficient operation on my end of things), and looks better. hm..... same price for the pc, but nothing raelly extra. Ok, unless you're running Seti@Home or something intensive, the Mac is probably going to do better than the PC becuase the speed of the interface and working with it is faster and more efficient.

Sorry, you lose :p

thats everything i was thinking.. but it comprehendible words :)

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timdor, I am not anti mac, so get that straight.

Macs are not that different in how they operate from a PC. I said they were different in appearance.

You said, "The numbers for mac viruses are FAR fewer than ones for the PC". The fact that just one virus can effect a mac means it is susceptible, hello.

In file structure, I meant, explore/finder, file folders, etc. The user experience, not HFS vs NTFS.

I am sorry, but I have used macs and they are slower in openning windows, MS word, etc compared to a PC. It's the reason they are looking into IBM and trying to get Motorola to improve their cpu speeds.

Oh, and I never lose.

:D

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Amen Timdorr!

Originally posted by RodneyCK

In file structure, I meant, explore/finder, file folders, etc. The user experience, not HFS vs NTFS.

.

:D

User experience the same with Explorer/Finder!?

That is like one of the biggest differences. Yes, files go inside of folders...what else can they do. But back the truck up if you are saying the user experience is the same. The Finder works completely different from the Windows Explorer.

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As much as I would like to see this back on topic, I can't help it.

Originally posted by RodneyCK

timdor, I am not anti mac, so get that straight.

Could have fooled us. You sound like a typical anti-mac person. Uses a pc, a lot of misinformation on macs, etc

Macs are not that different in how they operate from a PC. I said they were different in appearance.

Oh they are different.

You said, "The numbers for mac viruses are FAR fewer than ones for the PC". The fact that just one virus can effect a mac means it is susceptible, hello.

No, you said it was just as susceptible to virii as a pc. Hello? That of course is a lie and everyone knows it. So are you changing your story or what?

In file structure, I meant, explore/finder, file folders, etc. The user experience, not HFS vs NTFS.

Well you said file structure. That is HFS vs NTFS/FAT32. Changing your argument again?

I am sorry, but I have used macs and they are slower in openning windows, MS word, etc compared to a PC. It's the reason they are looking into IBM and trying to get Motorola to improve their cpu speeds.

Wrong wrong wrong. I used to be an anti-mac person like yourself. Now I use Macs. And I can say I have not noticed any window speed difference.

Oh, and I never lose.

:D

Oh...but you lost...bad. I'd say Timdorr took you to school.

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Originally posted by RodneyCK

You said, "The numbers for mac viruses are FAR fewer than ones for the PC". The fact that just one virus can effect a mac means it is susceptible, hello.

No known Virii for OS X yet.

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I seldom participate in mac vs pc threads but this time i will make an exception.

First I dont think ANY OS in the world cannot be attack by a virus.

I think all OS in the world use the same "file structure" as defined by Rodney.

And finally no one in the world wins forever.

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sus?cep?ti?ble Pronunciation Key (s-spt-bl)

adj.

1. Easily influenced or affected: ?She suddenly was too susceptible to her past? (Jimmy Breslin).

2. Likely to be affected: susceptible to colds.

3. Especially sensitive; highly impressionable.

4. Permitting an action to be performed; capable of undergoing: a statement susceptible of proof; a disease susceptible to treatment.

viruses are user ****-ups anyway..

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Wow, this sure turned into a flame thread and that was not my intentions. Anyway, I am not anti mac.

I am glad there are options out there, cause when there are more options, then everyone benefits. nuff said.

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