Ubisoft on Revolution on Gameinformer

[ienhz]

Great, now I have to decide between 3 consoles :(

[freedom77]

wow the revolution is going to be big for sure.. so far its either that or the ps3, i doubt i will be getting a 360.

[-Anthony]

I am definately getting this console.

[SixFootJockey]

I've been saying the whol etime, look at the games gamecube pumped out in terms of graphics and compare how low its raw polygon numbers were to PS2 and XBox.

That's true, and what Danrarbc641 said is correct too.

Nintendo doesn't release the "raw polygon" performance for their consoles. They only release the "real world" polygon performance (ie. assuming actual game conditions with complex models, fully textured, fully lit, etc).

Sony was bragging about their 75 million polygons per second for the PS2, but these were only raw polygons. In reality the PS2 only has a "real world" polygon performance of 7 million per second, which can be compared to the GameCube's 6-12 million polygons per second.

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[The Teej]

Ok, I'm a little confused :p

What exactly do you mean by Polygons per second? And, what's the difference between Real World and Raw polys? It's a n00b question, but we all gotta learn sometime ;)

[SixFootJockey]

Ok, I'm a little confused :p

What exactly do you mean by Polygons per second? And, what's the difference between Real World and Raw polys? It's a n00b question, but we all gotta learn sometime ;)

"Polygons per second" is how many polygons the system can draw in a second.

"Raw Polygons" are just plain polygons, with maybe a simple solid-coloured texture, and form only simple models. This means there is not bump mapping, lighting, shaders, etc. Primitive 3D games, such as Sega's Virtua Racing, are an example of what "Raw Polygons" may look like.

"Real World" polygons are an example of what games look like today. These polygons form more complex models, and have the more complex textures, bump-maps, shaders, etc.

Essentially, polygons are polygons. "Raw" and "Real World" polygons are just measures of performance. For example, the PS2 has a "raw polygon" performance of around 75 million. But "raw polygons" are easy to compute, which is why this number is so high. In reality, a PS2 game would not be using "raw polygons", so this measure is useless. "Real world" polygons require much more processing power, and are a better representation of in-game performance. It takes a lot longer for a system to draw a complex model of "real world" polygons, than for a system to draw a model of "raw" polygons.

Nintendo only releases the "real world" polygon performance so that developers will know what to expect when producing games. Other companies, such as Sony, release the "raw" polygon performance to make their system seem more powerful.

Edited April 9, 2006 by matt_hobbs05

[LaNcom]

Raw means... unmapped, unshaded, uncorrected, unlighted. Real world usually means mapped, shaded and lighted. Sometimes, companies give dual-textured PPS values (Polys Per Second). And well, polygons per secons means exactly that - how many polygons can a GPU draw in a single second. For realtime graphics, you take the real world PPS and divide them by the number of frames per second. That's your 'budget', the average number of polyons possible on screen at once in your game. For the Cube, that means: 6000000 PPS / 30 FPS (60Hz) = 200000 polygons on screen.

EDIT: Too late... :)

[Windam]

I just wish Quake 4 would be released on Rev.

The price tag is making all of us drool for this console which is a major player in the console debate,

my conclusion

it is a balance of equally good hardware with strategic/innovative functionality of game play. those two factors will determine the outcome.

[Danrarbc]

Nintendo doesn't release the "raw polygon" performance for their consoles. They only release the "real world" polygon performance (ie. assuming actual game conditions with complex models, fully textured, fully lit, etc).

That hasn't always been true. They released the 1 million polygon per second number for the N64, which was a raw number not a real world one.

Edit: The number doesn't seem to be listed on Wikipedia, but i distinctly remember it, I think it was even on the N64 box. I dunno maybe I'm wrong.

Edited April 9, 2006 by Danrarbc641

[SixFootJockey]

That hasn't always been true. They released the 1 million polygon per second number for the N64, which was a raw number not a real world one.

Oh ok, I did not know that. Thanks.

[Elithion]

Some more info:

"Even More info from IGN forums:

This was posted by Cruddy00 in the general board and is for all of you who don't have Insider. This game sounds unbelievable!

DEVELOPMENT INFO

- Game development started shortly after E3 2005. Ubisoft saw and demoed the controller before E3 2005.

- Ubisoft Paris took their idea directly to Iwata and Miyamoto, and were given the go ahead. After that meeting they were given prototype controllers. The article states that Ubisoft worked "closely" with Nintendo's engineers in Japan on the title.

- Game Informer mentions that while conducting the interviews with Ubisoft, they were handed the "latest version" of the controller.

GAME INFO

- During the beginning of the game, you are encouraged to use your weapons ruthlessly, but as the game progresses you become more proficient and strategic. This gameplay idea led Ubisoft to decide to give the game a martial arts setting. "Enter the Yakuza".

- The first third of the game will be all about being "brutal by necessity".

- As you start out you will be less precise and probably favor more devastating weapons (machine guns). As you progress and become more precise, smaller guns will be more preferred. "The overall goal...is to use five bullets to kill five enemies".

- "When fighting with this level of skill, the music and sound effects will reflect it, remaining calm and peaceful".

- "When you fight brutally, the sounds around you grow increasingly more intense".

- Freeze shot: by fighting efficiently you fill the Freeze Shot gauge...fighting chaotically causes to decreases. When the gauge is filled you can hit a button to momentarily stop time, and then target specific locations on enemy bodies.

- Headshots thus are tempting, but non lethal shots, such as shooting guns out of enemy hand, can be more beneficial.

- By defeating high ranking leaders who command others and sparing their lives, you will be rewarded. He will offer you respect and help (guns, help, new weapons, alternate paths, etc).

- Respect plays a MAJOR part in the game.

- Flailing your sword isn't a smart idea.

- Specific motions with the controller will trigger combos (in the final game). Tracing an X in the air, for instance, will unleash a devastating attack.

- You can stop these combos at any time by simply pausing your own movement. So if you do something that leaves you open to attack, you won't be screwed.

- New moves will be taught to you by two mentors in the game. One will teach you gun tactics, and another will teach sword tactics. If you don't show the proper respect to them, they won't help you.

- Training sessions are offered by the two masters so you can hone your skills.

- Friendly/respectful interaction is tied to the controller. You signal "yes/no" answers by nodding the controller up or down or shaking it from side to side. You show extra respect by bowing to the masters.

- Ubisoft is still coming up with other interactions.

- "You can act disrespectively as well: there are no cut scenes in the game - all conversations take place in game, as in Half Life 2. However unlike that game, characters wont keep prattling on if you walk away from them. They will react angrily to your imputent behavior".

- Staying in the master's good graces is key: they give you missions that can be tackled in any order.

- You track down the gang leaders and try to turn them to your side. If you don't, they will join Tokai's (the main villian) gang.

- You have to prove you are worthy to them by battling them and sparing their lives. You will need as many of them with you as possible to face Tokai. Without their help, you'll have a rough time when you finally face him.

- You turn gang leaders to your side by besting them in battle and stopping a deadly blow miliseconds before it strikes.

GI IMPRESSIONS

- The two triggers on the front of the analog unit activate ducking and jumping. The analog stick controls movement, and the revmote controls aiming. No rails.

- Level consisted of shooting ranges that popped out from behind cover.

- "Aiming with the controller is as simple as using a laser pointer. You point your hand at a target and hit the trigger on the underside of the controller to fire.

- "Unlike other FPS games, which tie the camera and aiming together, Red Steel's camera follows your aim with a slight delay. If, for example, you point to the edge of the screen, the camera will turn to re-center on your view after a second. With the sensitivity of the controller, a standard FPS control would move too much, potentially making the player feel ill.

- "Thanks to the improved reaction that the controller offers, the team can create gunfight scenerios that would be extraordinarily diffilcult with a standard controller".

- Most console FPS games limit their enemies to horizontal planes to prevent player frustration, but targets on a verticle plane are just as easy to hit with the Revolution controller.

- You can aim at a target as quickly as you can move your hand.

- In the demo targets popped up on rooftops and in second story windows, as well as behind cover points on the ground, and all were equally easy to hit.

- While you can quickly shoot enemies anywhere on screen, Red Steel never feels in a light-gun game - this is a true FPS, one that feels like it has drawn from the best of both the PC and console shooter worlds.

- According to lead game designer Oriola, it takes roughly three seconds to turn completely around around in most console shooters, while it takes about one-quarter second in a PC game. In Red Stel, it takes one second.

- AI characters will care for themselves. They will go for cover, attack you while you're reloading. They focus on risk management.

- "They won't walk around a table to get to you. They will simply jump over the table".

- "The benchmark for their intelligence and aggressiveness, says Oriola, is the PC title F.E.A.R., which has widely been praised for it's AI".

MULTIPLAYER:

- Split screen multiplayer with traditional deathmatches.

- Totally original multiplayer modes Ubisoft is not revealing yet. Wait until E3.

- They didn't talk about Nintendo Wi Fi (NDAs). Full details haven't been revealed yet.

- Revolution works by placing a small sensor bar either above or below any TV.

- You can stand at any angle and not lose any accuracy. You can even take your controller to a friend's house and instantly start playing without syncing up the controller.

- "Perhaps most impressive is the fact that although splitscreen reduces the amount of onscreen space you are playing in, you don't have to make smaller movements - you can gesture as wildly as you want, and it won't interfere with the other player's onscreen quadrants

thanks to META-RIDLEYMCAIR"

[The Teej]

matt_hobbs, LaNcom -- Thanks!! I fully understand it now! Much Appreciated :)

Vegara -- Holy COW! This game sounds more and more awesome by the day! :D I think I might have to add this to my 'Officially Buying at Launch' list ;)

[firebud]

That list sounds so awesome!

I'm going to be so broke on launch day. :pinch:

[SixFootJockey]

matt_hobbs, LaNcom -- Thanks!! I fully understand it now! Much Appreciated :)

No worries mate :D

[SonComet]

That hasn't always been true. They released the 1 million polygon per second number for the N64, which was a raw number not a real world one.

Edit: The number doesn't seem to be listed on Wikipedia, but i distinctly remember it, I think it was even on the N64 box. I dunno maybe I'm wrong.

I remember them releasing a 160,000 polygon number for the N64. And a lot of people were bummed because Sony was claiming everything from 300k to 1.5 million for the PSX. Also, the gamecube was supposedly capable of 90 million raw polygons.

[jerry]

More I read about it, more I feel the need to play it. :yes: I'm getting Rev on launch.

[Danrarbc]

I remember them releasing a 160,000 polygon number for the N64. And a lot of people were bummed because Sony was claiming everything from 300k to 1.5 million for the PSX. Also, the gamecube was supposedly capable of 90 million raw polygons.

Yeah, I know about the in game N64 numbers. And those were accurate - without custom microcode it wasn't a good poly pusher at all (that's why the Factor 5 and late Rare games looked so good, they re-wrote basically every bit of code that ran on the GPU instead of using the SGI code), what made it's games look better was texture work.

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

A split screen mode with wands? That's going to be funny as hell trying to play sitting next to someone.

[Chanser]

Actual sword fights 1v1. :D

[Dotdot]

YAAASSSSS!!! Honestly, with every little detail that emerges about Rev and its games I just get more and more excited. Go Ninty

[Xerus]

- "Perhaps most impressive is the fact that although splitscreen reduces the amount of onscreen space you are playing in, you don't have to make smaller movements - you can gesture as wildly as you want, and it won't interfere with the other player's onscreen quadrants

Except when you whack your opponet in the face with your controller ;D

[giga Veteran]

I think you guys should def. check these pics out. The Red Steel team having a little fun with the Revo controller. Wow it certainly looks small when seen like this. :D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ludo/sets/72057594105519147/

[The Teej]

That, is just really freaky O.o

EDIT: Rest of the pictures are pretty funny, though! :lol:

[Ji@nBing]

I think you guys should def. check these pics out. The Red Steel team having a little fun with the Revo controller. Wow it certainly looks small when seen like this. :D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ludo/sets/72057594105519147/

:o I didn't know Kelsey Grammar was a member of Ubisoft now :laugh:

[Chanser]

We are the Borg!

Resistance is Futile! :p