illicit Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 despite the fact that there are coutnless racists and retards here, i say no. (Y) Agreed. I voted no as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chconline Veteran Posted April 28, 2006 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2006 The site itself is not; the members are. Half of the threads I see here are not taken in maturely -- people often reply with semi-generic to completely generic, thoughtless replies that often points the gun towards the thread starter or anyone who makes an 'alternate' opinion. 'omg that sux' 'this joke sux u jerk i wish i had my 5 mins back' 'dude wtf this joke is posted already use the @#()in search ok!!!!?!??' I honestly have seen enough of all these kind of useless comments that initiates flaming and/or discourages the good members from staying. When I joined two years ago, things were much better. The quality of these 'internet generation' is declining at an alarming rate whereas people don't think twice before making an completely negative an irresponsible opinion in which I assume they will in real life, but since it's the internet, they just go "screw this, lets just flame this guy because i am so l33t" or whatever their excuse or reason is. What I am saying is that respect is going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogerjones Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Our jobs are all being outsourced, Cindy Crawford is too old to be hot anymore, and now Neowin is going downhill!! !Oh, teh noes! What I am saying is that respect is going down. True, but most would agree that this is a general societal trend. It's happening in the workplace, it's happening in schools, and it's happening in online message boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaSt0ne Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The site itself is not; the members are. Half of the threads I see here are not taken in maturely -- people often reply with semi-generic to completely generic, thoughtless replies that often points the gun towards the thread starter or anyone who makes an 'alternate' opinion. 'omg that sux' 'this joke sux u jerk i wish i had my 5 mins back' 'dude wtf this joke is posted already use the @#()in search ok!!!!?!??' I honestly have seen enough of all these kind of useless comments that initiates flaming and/or discourages the good members from staying. When I joined two years ago, things were much better. The quality of these 'internet generation' is declining at an alarming rate whereas people don't think twice before making an completely negative an irresponsible opinion in which I assume they will in real life, but since it's the internet, they just go "screw this, lets just flame this guy because i am so l33t" or whatever their excuse or reason is. What I am saying is that respect is going down. *nod* i first discovered this site about 3 years ago. i used to come here every day and read for litterally hours at a time. i would on average spend 3-4 hours every day just reading random posts about computer problems and new hardware / software now i come and find i'm done in 30 min. at the most :no: i blame the other sub-forums (neobay, gamers hangout, jokes, sports) for bringing in lots of members who dont' have much techinical knowledge so they respond with idiotic comments and never actually help anyone. the site gets more members, more members discover the sub-forums that have nothing to do with computers and then the sub-forums get popular bringing in even more people who never help. and of course as said before, the more members you get the more jerks and retarted posts you get as well when this site was small it focused on computer help. as it got bigger it spread into other areas to keep increasing members and started focusing less on computer help. now it does gamming and such which is great for getting even more members, but that's not what the vets came here to read about or get help with. so all the vets leave other small sites that focus just on computer stuff and don't "sell out" just to get more members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Allen Veteran Posted April 28, 2006 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2006 The only downhill thing I could think of was that "Retarded Browsers" clip with the IE logo going "WEEEEEEEE" Neowin isn't going downhill. Only getting stronger. Still one of the top tech sites on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I didn't vote. As you can see from my details, I've been here a while even though I don't have a huge post count. I really try to comment only when it's useful. I do find the site going away from what it used to be, which was a more tech related site. I also realize that to grow the site you have to appeal to a larger audience and that shows in how the board in the forum have changed. You used to be able to post a tech question and get various answers within the hour. Now it seems people are more into threads that are made to get reactions. I still ove Neowin and have it as my homepage but I do wish it would return to its tech roots. Edit: I read PermaSt0ne's answer only after I had posted. LOL. Weird :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacifica Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think there should be a sub-poll: Is this topic going to get locked & deleted? Yes: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (99%) No: X (1%) and if it is going down hill that would be one of the reasons why. i've seen countless threads get locked on a mods whim while others of the same general nature are left open. it's a decent board but i am of the opinion that they should change it to "Neowin Guidelines" or be a bit more consistent with the rules across the board. posts and threads should be moderated, locked, removed, etc., based on the rules\guidelines, not a mods bias or mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P!P Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I have to agree with DirtyLarry on this one. I have been saying it for a while that it's the memberbase that continues to decline in maturity and thoughtfulness. When I first joined way back when, I was on the bottom of the totem pole in terms of understanding and knowledge of technology. Granted, I have taught myself a lot, I have moved way too far up the pole when compared to the rest of the community now. It seems people come here to act like morons and instigate useless arguments over nothing. While some people may not accept it, the root members, the first core group, made this place what it was based on their knowledge of technology and we stick around because we come here to discuss technology. It's a shame how some people act. I think Neowin is simply a reflection of the Internet as a whole. SOME people just seem to think less and less about what they say and do on the Internet. It's a really shame. The Internet and Neowin could be a great place for all but some always seem to wreck it for the rest of us. I don't think Neowin is going downhill, it's just of it's users. This is probably against what most users think but I think Neowin should be more strict in banning. I can think of a few users who always seem to what to start trouble or always seem to what to go against general thought simply to go against everyone. This is why you hear about murderers who already had 10 armed robberies and 5 assaults before the murder. They need to be stopped before they do too much damage, the same should apply here. That's my 2 cents, my opinion take or leave it. That's what great about Neowin. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 NW seems to be getting more paranoid, as time goes by. :rolleyes: And people take themselves and the Internet far too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted April 28, 2006 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2006 Personally, I don't see how Neowin is going down hill. A few months ago there were around 1600 users at once time during the day, from what I recall. Nowadays, there are over 2400 people at a certain time browsing the site/forums. Doesn't look like its going down hill to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 it already has... too often I am finding out that the helpfulness of this board is declining rather quickly....it seems that there are too many inexperienced users on this board and in fact they have made the vet's disappear....I remember people like the evn show who actually made wise, insightful posts on here.... ...as much as it sucks to say this neowin has become a pit of immaturity and "omgwtf-use-the-search-tarians" that why bother making a post on this site....EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT LEAST ONCE. and then someone bitches because OMG THEY RESSURECTED A THREAD. I agree. I used to live on this site for tech news and I would frequent here for news about everything that was happening. Now I'm finding I can't ask a question without someone saying "Use the search" or "Here. Third result by Google. Use it next time". Then if someone resurects an old thread to talk about it, all these zombie references and "Talk about resurection" come into play. I think warnings should be handed out for "Use the Search" when the search brings back an old thread. Maybe they DID use the search but typed something other then you. Discuss it anyways. That's what it's there for. I'm a member of Genmay (General Mayhem) and they lock out sign-ups when the message board is TOO full of noobs. This allows the new guys to get accustomed (sp?) to the site so that it's not a huge flood of noobs all at once. Keeps everything in order and seems to work. I'm getting sick of seeing people with 3,000 --> 5,000 posts making a post and then some 300 poster or even a 1,000 poster come in and say "OMG https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?t=456266 use teh search idiot!". Maybe this person wants to spark up conversation again about the subject. It would be like someone asking me to go to the movies and which movie I want to see and then a week later they ask me again and I say "You asked me last week you ****er. I'm not telling you again. Maybe take notes". Or even better. Imagine Customer Service that way. You call to get information on a laptop you want to order. You call again a month or two later and ask about the same model and they say "Excuse me but you already asked about this model. Remember next time. It was from March 10th. Go back in your memory you idiot" then hang up. How would you feel about their service? I voted No still thought because I feel that this CAN be turned around. The mods are having a tougher time now then they EVER have (I find). I was looking in my history of posts and I saw posts about Kazaa and Kazaa Lite in there without EVER recieving a warning. But I was a young member on a young site. Now with over 100,000 members and many years as a service, they have to work harder in keeping people in line. I feel that people need to sit back and actually relax themselves. Stop with the "It's been posted before". Let the mods do that work if they wish to. If it was posted before, it has probably been lost in all of the updates. Meaning new members (and existing ones like me who only care for the latest and greatest and hate clicking "back one page") can talk about things THEY want to talk about without being abused. By the way, I'm sure this topic has been discussed before. Does this mean we should all start posting links about it and attacking him? No. Stop Neowin Children. We're mostly adults here talking about tech stuff. This isn't a wiki where we post stuff and leave it. This is a community where we discuss articles at hand even if they have been talked about before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite_MC Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 You can't stop idiots from being idiotic so the best way is to ignore them, especially on the internet where you can't beat them up :p My vote is No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former1 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) What is quite funny to me is that the members that make or comment on these topics always have a huge warning level. Radish™ Once again it's a defensive mod comment thing :rolleyes: . I personally think quite a few of the mods on NW are just, retards but it's my opinion only. However for those mods with their head screwed on, and two feet on the ground I respect them greatly for the work they do. However I've actually been looking for other tech sites to visit, but the only place I can find is Neowin >.> . It was a good community, I just think it either grew too fast for them - or they started an advertising campaign opening their arms to people who don't have a clue, flame like nobodies business and people who are as thick as sh.. So basically as everyones saying it's the majority of the user base, that's dragging neowin to the ground :( So if anyone has any ideas on other tech forums, I'm more than interested to hear in them. Ian. P.S My warns 0% :) #EDIT: I was going to vote - Yes, but only because of a select few members. However I think it's more a majority now than a few select members :/ Edited April 28, 2006 by Milk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslayer Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Once again it's a defensive mod comment thing :rolleyes: . I personally think quite a few of the mods on NW are just, retards but it's my opinion only. Not just your opinion. Compared to 2001 and the beginning of Neowin, my vote is yes. My current and all time warning level=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narlzac85 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Now that two-tiered internet seems to be moving full speed ahead, maybe its time for two-tiered neowin. A special neowin for approved members. Yeah its just an idea. A man can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger.Girl Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think it did maybe a year or two ago and maybe still is going downhill. All I know its not the same as it was when I joined. The first (I think) stupid thing I can remember here was a certain homosexual member who flaunted their homosexuality and (I think) purposely caused conflict. After that I can remember lots mac vs pc trolling and then it went to members just posting nonsensically. I think people should search b4 they post and if they are going to resurrect a thread have a good reason to do so. Today I saw abunch of "Nintendo Wii" threads in recent forum posts and all had to be merged. Thats just plain stupidity on part of members and is only an example of what happens all the time everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orig Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think a better question, or at least a more comparable one, would be, "is our children learning?" I mean, I've heard there are rumors on the internets that Neowin has a lot of members and thus diversity and some would surely equate such a thing with going downhill. But really, any website of Neowin's far-reaching size, scale and influence is bound to have just as many detractors as supporters. And while there are ALWAYS going to be people who deliberately cause trouble or ask questions that could be answered by "just searching!" or common sense, other members also have several options given to them by a) being members and b) being alive. 1. Ignore such people on your own free will 2. Ignore such people using the forum's ignore feature 3. Deal with it. So I live in Philadelphia. And I can't count on all my fingers and toes how many people anoyed me today. When I first came here, nothing annoyed me, everything fascinated me. The grass was greener. Time goes on and you do tend to view things differently as you gain experience. When you're new and learning, everything is acceptable. When you're "old" and experienced, the "newb" stuff gets on your nerves because its repetitive. But remember your place. You got repetitive too, y'know. Has Neowin gone downhill or have individual members simply gone that far "uphill?" I guess we'll never really know. But back in 2001, this place didn't look half as nice or have half the activity. So for a tech resource, you could say its gone uphill. However, if dealing with the inexperience and the new frontiers which any large website will certainly face means a website has gone downhill, then sure, it has. As this is an entirely new medium, there's no way to objectively judge its status in pluses or minuses. Its subjective, relative, and to be determined by the reader. And judging how many users have joined since me (no. 445), I would venture to say that in the eyes of many, Neowin is racing uphill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yudi_lks Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Of course it's not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yayaba Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I've been here awhile too (wow, almost 4 years now?). Not many posts but I prefer to lurk more often than not. When I first joined Neowin was seriously the only forum I went to. I don't know why... maybe it was the novelty factor but I loved the people and the discussions here. Heck when the whole site was down for a week or so awhile back I went into Neowin withdrawal. Nowadays though, I'm not as interested. One thing that really irks me is the fact that there are so many damn subforums. The forum is too big now, at least for me, to navigate efficiently and to see everything I want to see. I guess I just got kinda tired of things. I've been hanging around NeoGAF a lot more now as I love the humor of the members there. I still make sure I get my daily dose of Neowin everyday but it's not as high of a priority anymore as it used to be. The quality of the Console gamer boards has nothing compared to NeoGAF (then again, this is a tech site, NeoGAF is a games site). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetoryus Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Well, being a new kid on the block, I have not had enough experience yet to make an accurate or honest vote, so obviously I didn't. I am thoroughly enjoying Neowin, but even I in my finite time here have witnessed moments of immaturity and stupidity on this site already. Is that unfortunate? Sure it is. Is it frustrating for those of us who are serious about our time here? Of course. This community was obviously created for its people as a resource and an enjoyment, not a playground or a b***h session. However, I think it goes without saying that you will always encounter people in life whose views, answers and approaches do not always agree with you. It's unavoidable... be it a workplace, a website, or even walking out the front door sometimes, they are out there. "To each his own" as the quote says. We're all different, and that's a good thing, we wouldn't know who the hell we were otherwise! ;) To make a long story short, take what you see, read and hear with a grain of salt, and don't let rotten apples spoil the tree for you. As long as the roots are strong, it will survive, and your experience climbing it will be rewarding. Just my .02, take it for what it's worth, or not... remember, it's just my opinion, "and the opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the viewers." -Praetor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeWolf324 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 its going downhill if you have to make a post to ask if its going downhill. think about it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted April 28, 2006 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2006 I have to agree with DirtyLarry on this one. I have been saying it for a while that it's the memberbase that continues to decline in maturity and thoughtfulness. When I first joined way back when, I was on the bottom of the totem pole in terms of understanding and knowledge of technology. Granted, I have taught myself a lot, I have moved way too far up the pole when compared to the rest of the community now. It seems people come here to act like morons and instigate useless arguments over nothing. While some people may not accept it, the root members, the first core group, made this place what it was based on their knowledge of technology and we stick around because we come here to discuss technology. It's a shame how some people act. Thank You Sir (Y) And as is often the case, I also agree with you on your opinion as well. 110% actually. I was actually just talking to someone about this the other day via PM's. The reason I initially joined Neowin is I needed help with the first PC computer I built. My first hundreds of posts were mainly either in the Hardware Hangout, Drivers Discussion and Assistance, the Mac Forums since I was a Mac user for about 4 years prior to building my Windows Comp, and finally the PC Gamer section, because the whole reason I built a Windows comp was literally just for gaming itself. It took me quite some time before I even ventured into other sections of the forums that were non-tech related. However when I finally did, thanks to the tone set by the members within the tech forums themselves, I approached the non tech related sections with the same mindset as the tech sections. That mindset was if I had something to say that was helpful or beneficial to the thread itself, then I would post in it. So because my initial experience were also almost all tech related, literally from day one Neowin to me was people helping other people out when they could. Then it also became a place where like minded individuals could share their thoughts and opinions in a respectful manner with each other, even if they had different views on things and totally disagreed with each-other, it would still remain civilized 98% of the time. I think nowadays to many people decide to join and tech related stuff is the absolute last thing on their minds. They view the site more as a social free for all where anything goes it seems. I honestly am not really sure what is going through their heads because I am not them, but they are missing the fundamental ways to treat other members, which as you stated was first dicated by the tech side of it all, which some newer members and even older individuals seem to completely overlook. I do also agree with what some other people have mentioned as well. It really is just an extension of society on a whole. Especially if you look at the younger generation and their overall lack of respect they have for other people, it would only make sense that the "**** you and everyone else except me" mindset would carry over into on online forum. When you really sit back and think about it, In all honestly, Neowin really is quite an interesting sociological case study. It seems nowadays people in society think disrespecting another person is a sign of their superiority over that person they are disrespecting. So of course, especially when hiding behind a username and a monitor, it gives them a power trip they are more than likely incapable of in the real world. Hence they will disrespect someone online they do not even know without any hesitation at all. I mean think about it, do you honestly think some of the people here who are known trouble makers act like that in real life? Sure, maybe some of them really do and they truly are deviants, but my educated guess would be that most of them are the exact opposite. I have seen comments on here from one member to another that would get you in a physical confrontation in the real world no questions asked. However the fact you are more or less anonymous makes a lot of people talk much bigger and bolder than they ever really would in real life. Unfortunately for some people, they approach it all as a way to act in a manner that they never would, or for that matter could act, in real life. With that said, Just the fact we have people from all over the world that are members, and the overwhelming majority of the members are respectful of each-other and there are only a few rotten apples in the bunch, really does say a whole lot about what a truly unique and successful website Neowin truly is. Sorry to sound so preachy at times and also for writing so much. However it truly is an interesting question and topic to me. One that has so many different angles and theories, I, along with many others I am assuming, could probably write a book about the phenomenon of on online forum based community if I had the time to do so. There are truly so many dynamics involved from a sociological standpoint that this discussion could probably go on forever. Damn, I need to go to sleep. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former1 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Well, being a new kid on the block, I have not had enough experience yet to make an accurate or honest vote, so obviously I didn't. I am thoroughly enjoying Neowin, but even I in my finite time here have witnessed moments of immaturity and stupidity on this site already. Is that unfortunate? Sure it is. Is it frustrating for those of us who are serious about our time here? Of course. This community was obviously created for its people as a resource and an enjoyment, not a playground or a b***h session. However, I think it goes without saying that you will always encounter people in life whose views, answers and approaches do not always agree with you. It's unavoidable... be it a workplace, a website, or even walking out the front door sometimes, they are out there. "To each his own" as the quote says. We're all different, and that's a good thing, we wouldn't know who the hell we were otherwise! ;) To make a long story short, take what you see, read and hear with a grain of salt, and don't let rotten apples spoil the tree for you. As long as the roots are strong, it will survive, and your experience climbing it will be rewarding. Just my .02, take it for what it's worth, or not... remember, it's just my opinion, "and the opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the viewers." -Praetor Whilst you do have a point Praetoryus. However in the real world you don't have to search through huge threads of complete junk trying to find what you're wanting. I mean, let's say you drive to work. You stay there for say 11 hours, you then drive home. Within that day you've probably experience 4/5 maybe more? People that have just been pure stupid / annoying / whatever. However try surfing through neowin thinking of it as a leisure / hobby website, and then you can't actually discuss anything, nor can you attempt to. Because all efforts of doing so get either: a) The thread flooded with a flame fest / 1337 h4x / people who don't know wtf they're saying b) Other threads are drowning the topic out, so that nobody see's it. For every sensible tech / non-tech forum post in Neowin, you can expect another 4/5/6 posts of complete **** . It's like spam... but not on an e-mail >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconian Guppy Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 wait, it's possible for neowin to go downhill? oh teh noes, microsoft will save us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedFusion Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) :D depends on how big the hill is...confucius says big hill, long time to go down..... :laugh: Edited April 28, 2006 by ConfusedFusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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