machorro Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 just a funny news I found :D Chicken and egg debate unscrambledEgg came first, 'eggsperts' agree Friday, May 26, 2006 Posted: 1133 GMT (1933 HKT) LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg? Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg. Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life. Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg. Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear. The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said. "Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first." The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns. Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens. He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents. "I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said. "If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg." Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp. He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs." The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 chuck norris has both. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamend Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I thought the expression came from the debate of science vs. religion, since they both have their obvious but different answers for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aud Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I thought the expression came from the debate of science vs. religion, since they both have their obvious but different answers for it? Exactly. It's has never been a real riddle but merely a turn of phrase for a conundrum. Any person with half a brain who has ever taken a high school Biology class could have told you what this "brilliant" professor "discovered"... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saadu Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 It was chicken and rooster that came first they made the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42n81 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 It was chicken and rooster that came first they made the egg. The egg made the chicken, the rooster, and a goose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjakarl Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 It was chicken and rooster that came first they made the egg. ... But like was said, it had to evolve from something and you can't evolve during a single lifetime... Therefore the egg came first (I have no idea I've been telling people this exact same thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 :laugh: Rubbish. How could an egg 'develope' on it's own, and what hatched it ? Was is laying out in the sun ? Where is there anything like an egg popping up from, bacteria ? ... nothing ? What stopped eggs from developing independent from a bird ? The chickens developed first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Damn, this bit of news is pretty retarded as well. Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. Good to know the three stooges came up with something. The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD. Okay, we've got scientists taking Disney seriously? Maybe they should set up a debate over more political issues; we'd probably get more done with the government then. Egg came first, 'eggsperts' agree What about the chicksperts? :p Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear. Because the UK should be totally concerned with this 'issue'. :rolleyes: ..and in the end, the debate STILL continues bringing us back to square one. Thanks for playing. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubka Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 if you know anyting about science / biology / evolution / the egg came first which gives us the chicken that we know today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Ok so if the egg came first howd the chicken "goo" get into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-uk Veteran Posted May 29, 2006 Veteran Share Posted May 29, 2006 I Still think it was the chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Ok so if the egg came first howd the chicken "goo" get into it. Easy. The ricken and chooster mated and made chickens and roosters (which apparently lost their fangs in the mutation process). ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laughing Man Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Easy. The ricken and chooster mated and made chickens and roosters (which apparently lost their fangs in the mutation process). ;) Hey that would explain the bad tasting chooster salad I had tonite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted May 29, 2006 Subscriber¹ Share Posted May 29, 2006 Any halfwit with the most basic secondary/highschol science education will be able to tell you it's the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42n81 Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Any halfwit with the most basic secondary/highschol science education will be able to tell you it's the egg. I can vouch for that, because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch or dinner, you halfwits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I can vouch for that, because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch or dinner, you halfwits! lmao. This post made my day. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubka Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 it's like when you cross two dog breads to get a desired dog, the firtilized egg comes first which is the new bread (chicken) an egg is a giant unfertilized haploid stem cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddle5000 Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 maybe the first chicken was an extremely deformed pterodactyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGS4-SS Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 The egg answer is more logical. Its more possible (for my understanding) that some bacteria evolved into a "cigoto" (don't know how to say it in english) (and with problems, the first egg [that doesn't have to be an egg, it could be a living organism growing very very slowly into a chicken]) than a bacteria evolving in a complete chicken without problems in the first try. The egg answer makes more sense than the chicken answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Who cares? Besides, how about we leave the science to "real" scientists and they can leave the computer stuff to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42n81 Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 @MGS3-SS; "cigoto" = zygote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldaccount1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Definitely the egg. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 :laugh: Rubbish. How could an egg 'develope' on it's own, and what hatched it ? Was is laying out in the sun ? Where is there anything like an egg popping up from, bacteria ? ... nothing ? What stopped eggs from developing independent from a bird ? The chickens developed first. sigh, its quite simple really. the egg didnt develop on its own. a bird which is very similar to a chicken layed an egg which had genetic material which is similar enough to a chicken for it to be classified as such. so the egg came first because that is the first one to have the genes of a chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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