Ironman273 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) Japanese developers' reaction to the PS3: meh6/30/2006 3:13:47 PM, by Jeremy Reimer Sony completely dominated the console market in the last generation with the PlayStation 2. After driving rival Sega out of the hardware business, the console went on to ship 100 million units worldwide, leaving remaining rivals Microsoft and Nintendo in the dust with roughly 20 million units shipped by the second and third place finishers. Still, the history of the console market shows that leaders in one generation can often fall behind in the next. Microsoft's launch of the Xbox 360 last November, combined with Sony's delay for the PS3, and a lukewarm reaction to the PS3's announced price, all put the pressure on Sony to stay on top. One thing the company can count on, however, is wholehearted support from the Japanese market. Or can they? A recent survey of Japanese game developers puts even this in doubt. The survey was released in the latest issue of Japan's Ge-Maga magazine, and paints a picture of dissatisfied developers in the land of the Rising Sun. According to the survey: 90 percent disagree with the PS3's price point. 56 percent disagree with the idea of having a "low-end" PS3 and a "high-end" model. 56 percent think the console will not sell given its announced launch title lineup 33 percent feel less confident with the PS3 after its E3 showing. 62 percent feel the PS3 won't reach its goal of 6 million units sold by March 2007. The number of "unsure" responses to each question was less than five percent, with the exception of the post-E3 confidence question, to which 15 percent gave an indeterminate response. The real kicker is the question about launch titles. Although a console can often make up for a poor launch?the PlayStation 2 had very few good launch titles, witSSXi> anDead or Alive 2i> being rare exceptions?if developers feel the PS3 will not sell well for any reason, it will make it less likely that good titles will arrive later on. What will Japanese developers do if they don't enthusiastically jump on the PS3 bandwagon? One thing they certainly won't do is support the Xbox 360, which has fared even more dismally in Japan than its predecessor. They might instead decide to focus more on the Nintendo Wii, or on portable platforms like the PSP and DS Lite. Another option might be one that the industry as a whole is leaning more towards: cross-platform titles. Some would say this move is already underway, with Sony losing exclusivity for titles lGrand Theft Auto. Since we all know that the real value of a console is in its games, if most games go multi-platform then the console with the cheaper price is likely to win. Forgot to put the source. Edited June 30, 2006 by Ironman273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 62 percent feel the PS3 won't reach its goal of 6 million units sold by March 2007. Wow. :blink: Thats a very high number of people who chose the un-obvious choice. Given that these are developers, thats even more alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Yeah, for Japanese developers to be saying this, there is some major doubt in the Sony camp right now. That doesn't mean they won't succeed, but it's looking harder for them to every day that goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiEMOS Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just curious, how many people did they survey? 2000? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Yeah, those kinds of polls never say ;) haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted July 1, 2006 Veteran Share Posted July 1, 2006 33 percent feel less confident with the PS3 after its E3 showing. That is good news for Sony, per say. After all the negative talk about their E3 showing, only 1 of 3 developers have less confidence with the PS3 prior to the showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted July 1, 2006 Author Share Posted July 1, 2006 That is good news for Sony, per say. After all the negative talk about their E3 showing, only 1 of 3 developers have less confidence with the PS3 prior to the showing. Yes, but that question also got the largest percentage of "unsure" bringing the total of less confidence or unsure close to 50%. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPrime Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 PS3 is doomed! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!! And let me be the first to welcome our new Microsoft overlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee lion Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I wonder what the 360 reaction was. :laugh: I don't think any devs will jump ship to Wii because the PS3 and Wii have a totally different mentality and gameplay. And they're not going to go to the 360 because, well, I think it's obvious why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+vlsi0n Subscriber¹ Posted July 1, 2006 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 1, 2006 That is good news for Sony, per say. After all the negative talk about their E3 showing, only 1 of 3 developers have less confidence with the PS3 prior to the showing. Going by the percent wouldn't it be every 1 out of 3 developers have less confidence; or were only three developers surveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Teej Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Why wouldn't they develop for 360? If key japanese titles are on the 360, it wouldn't suck. The console doesn't make the console fail, the developers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+vlsi0n Subscriber¹ Posted July 1, 2006 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 1, 2006 Why wouldn't they develop for 360? If key japanese titles are on the 360, it wouldn't suck. The console doesn't make the console fail, the developers do. ding ding ding we have a winner!! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1759 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Makes you wonder why the DS and PS2 outsell the x360 if the PS3 is so looked down upon, must be devoting all that time developing for the Wii. I'd like to consider myself largely console agnostic (been all Sony since the PS, but considering the Wii this round), but the anti-Sony articles crack me up, what exactly has the x360 been doing so well? (and Microsoft in general). Sony is pretty screwed up, with their PS3 pricing, rootkits, etc. but then I boot into that 800lb gorilla known as Vista or the lack of killer games on the x360, and just shake my head in disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo11883 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I boot into that 800lb gorilla known as Vista and just shake my head in disappointment. More like an 800 MB memory footprint at boot... :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 Makes you wonder why the DS and PS2 outsell the x360 if the PS3 is so looked down upon, must be devoting all that time developing for the Wii. I'd like to consider myself largely console agnostic (been all Sony since the PS, but considering the Wii this round), but the anti-Sony articles crack me up, what exactly has the x360 been doing so well? (and Microsoft in general). Sony is pretty screwed up, with their PS3 pricing, rootkits, etc. but then I boot into that 800lb gorilla known as Vista or the lack of killer games on the x360, and just shake my head in disappointment. Your first mistake is assuming everything anti-PS3 is automatically pro-Microsoft (and/or vice-versa). This article does take a negative light on the PS3, but if you read the whole thing, it also admits to the dismal showing of the XBox360 in Japan. Remember there was a time when Nintendo ruled all and other comers like Sega and Sony were laughed at. It happens throughout the industry. Nintendo swore up and down that gamers didn't wan't the CD load times in the PS and fitted the N64 with a cartridge, even though the storage was limited compared to a CD. Well, they misread the market and it only took one generation for them to lose the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1759 Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Your first mistake is assuming everything anti-PS3 is automatically pro-Microsoft (and/or vice-versa). This article does take a negative light on the PS3, but if you read the whole thing, it also admits to the dismal showing of the XBox360 in Japan. Remember there was a time when Nintendo ruled all and other comers like Sega and Sony were laughed at. It happens throughout the industry. Nintendo swore up and down that gamers didn't wan't the CD load times in the PS and fitted the N64 with a cartridge, even though the storage was limited compared to a CD. Well, they misread the market and it only took one generation for them to lose the lead. I'm shooting the messengers, not the message. I agree with the article, but these articles aren't usually posted by Sony users, most people can agree that the pricepoint of the PS3 is insane, and like the 3DO, it's probably doomed to fail (they thought they would sell a ton of 3DO's at that price too), but they're largely being posted x360 users/fanboys. It's like posting these articles will somehow make the x360 less crappy or the games more than more of the same. Each system has serious weakness: the Sony is too damned sxpensive, it has everything, but no one will buy it, the x360 is more of the same, the games leave me empty, and I haven't been wowed by next gen anything, and the Wii seems like it's banking too much on the virtual console thing, and Nintendo's 3rd party has been weak, but it's price point will probably hit the sweet spot. Maybe Sony should market the PS3 as a PC, the Cell is supposedly better for multimedia than games, and all the connectivity and Linux, it would make for a fast computer. Even in the US, the x360 barely outsells the PS2 (or does it?). The DS seems to rule over them all, and liikewise the PSP (even though I have one), has largely been ignored by Sony. So maybe graphics don't mean that much and Nintendo will rule again, they finally included a DVD drive and have all sorts of backwards capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji@nBing Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I wonder what the 360 reaction was. :laugh: I don't think any devs will jump ship to Wii because the PS3 and Wii have a totally different mentality and gameplay. And they're not going to go to the 360 because, well, I think it's obvious why. Oh, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 I'm shooting the messengers, not the message. I agree with the article, but these articles aren't usually posted by Sony users, most people can agree that the pricepoint of the PS3 is insane, and like the 3DO, it's probably doomed to fail (they thought they would sell a ton of 3DO's at that price too), but they're largely being posted x360 users/fanboys. It's like posting these articles will somehow make the x360 less crappy or the games more than more of the same. Each system has serious weakness: the Sony is too damned sxpensive, it has everything, but no one will buy it, the x360 is more of the same, the games leave me empty, and I haven't been wowed by next gen anything, and the Wii seems like it's banking too much on the virtual console thing, and Nintendo's 3rd party has been weak, but it's price point will probably hit the sweet spot. Maybe Sony should market the PS3 as a PC, the Cell is supposedly better for multimedia than games, and all the connectivity and Linux, it would make for a fast computer. Even in the US, the x360 barely outsells the PS2 (or does it?). The DS seems to rule over them all, and liikewise the PSP (even though I have one), has largely been ignored by Sony. So maybe graphics don't mean that much and Nintendo will rule again, they finally included a DVD drive and have all sorts of backwards capability. Well, I can tell you I'm not an XBox fanboy, although I do have one. Right now I'm fortunately in a position where I can afford to get all 3 systems and was very much looking forward to the PS3. I became more and more disillusioned as more real information came out and saw how it stacked up to the Sony spin machine. There are people that say they would buy a Sony anything at whatever the price and those are the people that I would like to read articles like this. As I posted in another thread, there are various segments where Sony is falling behind its previous dominating role because of arrogance. They lost the Beta-VHS war, they lost the portable audio market, they lost TVs (their new TVs are rebranded from other manufacturers), they lost the home audio, and now it seems like they will lose consoles. It's not that I'm anti-Sony, it's that I'm against how Sony treats customers. They grab people with good products and once they have them, give them crap they expect them to buy (and they do buy it) just because "It's a Sony". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Anthony Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Oh, really? No..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Why wouldn't they develop for 360? If key japanese titles are on the 360, it wouldn't suck. The console doesn't make the console fail, the developers do. Good post (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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