pyehac Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 What if you installed FF on all of your friends' computers and they don't like it (and removed it)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I like FF and use it as my main browser, but this is crap. It's one thing to put a FF link/image in your sig, it's another to proclaim "world firefox day". It seems like a small portion of the FF using population has turned it into a religion. They seem to feel the need to spread their beliefs to the unbelievers (hallowed are the ori). I'd go so far as to compare these people to the extremist muslims and christians, and it's giving the rest of us a bad name. I agree! I would be really ticked if my friends were giving out my email address to Mozilla or any other company. QFT! Thanks, your comment really contributed to the thread. And FYI, people don't complain because websites aren't compliant, they complain because they get their website working perfectly in Firefox or Opera, and then everything is screwed up in Safari and Internet Explorer. I understand people who support browsers, even supporters of IE, but people who directrly say "Remove Firefox" just get on my nerves. It's disrespectful to the developers, and it goes against people's freedom of choice. On the topic of the thread, interesting idea, but the source code will be HUGE! It'll add at least a megabyte, and 2.0 is already getting pretty big. Ironic how the "on topic" part of your post was shorter than your off topic rant about how useless others' posts are :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkellner Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Trying to shove Firefox down people's throats eh? No thanks, I'll just uninstall Firefox on every PC instead. One more great post from foxconn287. Everyone can learn a lesson from you, if I'd have to choose I'd say the lesson in this post is that the failing of humanity, is humanity. And until IPB comes up with a trash filter, we are stuck with more posts just like this one. And it's funny you should mention things being shoved down people's throats, because I'm betting all those installations of firefox you referred to didn't just magically appear on your computers all by themselves. Please stop shoving your trash posts down our throats. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 And it's funny you should mention things being shoved down people's throats, because I'm betting all those installations of firefox you referred to didn't just magically appear on your computers all by themselves. Nobody made anybody else buy Windows :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrA Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nobody made anybody else buy Windows :whistle: It's practically impossible to buy a decent laptop without windows (with the exception of the MB/MBP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvo Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I would be really ticked if my friends were giving out my email address to Mozilla or any other company. I agree to an extent. Here it's mozilla, a non-profit organization financed majorly by donations from big companies like IBM, not a monopolistic company that practices anti-trust trying to push sells, but still I understand and agree that I wouldn't want my email to be given also without my conscent.Sure, many people are saying this is utter crap and all but they gotta do all sorts of marketing gimmics to get people to try Mozilla. Most people still don't know what's Firefox or Mozilla for that matter and it's not very convincing when ur telling a person "Try Firefox instead of Internet Explorer" so you gotta lure them in by either having a nerd explain the average joe why it's better or do stuffs like this. It's not like they're adding pressure on anyone like telemarketers. If your friend gives out your email and you get an email from them, instead of starting to get ****ed because you don't care, just delete the email it takes a fraction of a second, youpdeedoo. I however bet that if Microsoft did this, people in neowin would say YEAH ITS COOL MICROSOFT CARES ABOUT USERS BY ADDING THEIR NAMES but Because it's Mozilla, "It wastes space!". Yes, it is in a sense useless because how will this affect our experience in using the browser? Obviously none but don't come here telling me it sucks because its gonna waste space... What? is your hard drive 100mb and you need to save every KB possible? People will be ready to install vista which will be over 10GB but they bitch about a tiny increase in firefox's size. I would understand the bitching if it did take more RAM and made Firefox more sluggish to run but apparently it won't so don't try to find something to bitch about. Saying its useless is true and I agree but to say on top of that that it wastes "space", truly you got a problem unless you run an operating system on those huge cardboard floppy drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Veteran Posted July 16, 2006 Veteran Share Posted July 16, 2006 Ironic how the "on topic" part of your post was shorter than your off topic rant about how useless others' posts are :whistle: I'll give you that, but those Remove Firefox images really get on my nerves, but so do the ones about how bad Internet Explorer is. And I did say what I thought about the thread in the end anyway (now I realize it's only going to be in the source code). What? is your hard drive 100mb and you need to save every KB possible? People will be ready to install vista which will be over 10GB but they bitch about a tiny increase in Firefox's size. On 56k, the extra MB actually wastes a fair bit of time. But anyway, it will probably only be in the source code, not the download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconoclast Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 It's practically impossible to buy a decent laptop without windows (with the exception of the MB/MBP). So that is Microsoft's fault? Not Apple's for not making their stuff compatible with other companies hardware (until the recent Intel stuff)? Not the hardware companies for choosing to have their laptop come with Windows rather than Linux? It is just Microsoft's fault? That's like bitching it was Firestone's fault that Ford's came with their tires, but not really, because it is even more ridiculous than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted July 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted July 17, 2006 That shows how lame you are. Firefox is not asking everyone to download. They are just advertising making people know about the browser. Oh no? :blink: They are advertising to make their browser well known, correct? Well, if people don't download it and give it a try, then then the whole point of advertising was pointless, no? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvllsvm Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 This is such a waste of space. Why would I want my browser to have an absolutley useless features of viewing the names of people in which I do not know. So rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrgh Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 This is such a waste of space. Why would I want my browser to have an absolutley useless features of viewing the names of people in which I do not know. So rediculous. It would help if you'd read the thread before posting. (The names won't be *in* the browser). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 good to see mozilla doesnt do something stupid :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted July 17, 2006 MVC Share Posted July 17, 2006 I would be really ticked if my friends were giving out my email address to Mozilla or any other company. Agreed 100%... I wonder if these firefox ad emails from Mozilla are CAN-SPAM Act compliant. If so, you should be able to opt out of ever recieving another advertisement email from Mozilla. If not, it would be nice to see them get slapped with fines of up to $11K per email by the FTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 If both you and your friend opt-in to have your names included, we?ll add your names to an interactive Firefox friends display that will be accessible from within Firefox 2. So what exactly does it mean by accessable from FF2? I went to the sites faq and couldnt find anything about source ect, infact they said they hadnt ironed outr the details on how people would access the page. Will it just be a html page on some site or will there be links in the browser or easter eggs or something.I very much hope its just a webpage you navigate to on your own. Anything involving code is time taken away from programming and fixing bugs and as a feature it's useless. Also the people most likely to care that their names are there will be the Firefox zealots anyway who would use the browser regardless and even if the names themselves arent included in the dload so much as a link to them would be considered bloat even if its not necessarily blowing up the dload size. Ultimatly it seems rather pointless to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted July 17, 2006 MVC Share Posted July 17, 2006 I agree to an extent. Here it's mozilla, a non-profit organization financed majorly by donations from big companies like IBM, not a monopolistic company that practices anti-trust trying to push sells, but still I understand and agree that I wouldn't want my email to be given also without my conscent. Sure, many people are saying this is utter crap and all but they gotta do all sorts of marketing gimmics to get people to try Mozilla. Most people still don't know what's Firefox or Mozilla for that matter and it's not very convincing when ur telling a person "Try Firefox instead of Internet Explorer" so you gotta lure them in by either having a nerd explain the average joe why it's better or do stuffs like this. It's not like they're adding pressure on anyone like telemarketers. If your friend gives out your email and you get an email from them, instead of starting to get ****ed because you don't care, just delete the email it takes a fraction of a second, youpdeedoo. I however bet that if Microsoft did this, people in neowin would say YEAH ITS COOL MICROSOFT CARES ABOUT USERS BY ADDING THEIR NAMES but Because it's Mozilla, "It wastes space!". Yes, it is in a sense useless because how will this affect our experience in using the browser? Obviously none but don't come here telling me it sucks because its gonna waste space... What? is your hard drive 100mb and you need to save every KB possible? People will be ready to install vista which will be over 10GB but they bitch about a tiny increase in firefox's size. I would understand the bitching if it did take more RAM and made Firefox more sluggish to run but apparently it won't so don't try to find something to bitch about. Saying its useless is true and I agree but to say on top of that that it wastes "space", truly you got a problem unless you run an operating system on those huge cardboard floppy drives. Mozilla makes money, lots of money, off Firefox last time i checked via their Google search integration. So they want more people using it because it equals more money. They don't have to pay out to shareholders, but there is a "profit" motive behind it to a large degree. They aren't doing it out of just plain ol' fun. By your twisted logic it should be fine to recieve unsolicited commercial email (aka Spam) simply because it takes a few seconds to delete? Never thought i would hear a person argue that Spam was OK. Wow... That in itself is amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thagame Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 if microsoft did this much "advertising" and stupid commercials (goes for both apple and firefox but this is about fox so ill keep on topic), or devoted space for people to make commercials trashing other browsers ms would get sued into the ground for slander, but since both of those products are so low in the share percentage scale no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvo Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 By your twisted logic it should be fine to recieve unsolicited commercial email (aka Spam) simply because it takes a few seconds to delete? Never thought i would hear a person argue that Spam was OK. Wow... That in itself is amazing... twisted logic? We're talking about the Mozilla foundation right now, not african viagra maker, Mozilla or any other OSS organization for that matter does not spam. If they do, it's because most likely they're also selling a product and want to push sales of it (like everything related in spam) but no, does Mozilla sell anything? Not really. They get payed a lot for the google searchbox and get donations from big companies so there you go, the twisted logic :rolleyes:So if your friend gives out your email to Mozilla, the number of emails you're most likely to get from them is one, hence why it's not a big deal to delete a single email from them. if microsoft did this much "advertising" and stupid commercials (goes for both apple and firefox but this is about fox so ill keep on topic), or devoted space for people to make commercials trashing other browsers ms would get sued into the ground for slander, but since both of those products are so low in the share percentage scale no one cares. Uh, what do car manufacturers do in their ads? They include other companies and put them down saying theirs is superior. Nothing new here, no lawsuits, move along. The sun is still hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted July 17, 2006 MVC Share Posted July 17, 2006 twisted logic? We're talking about the Mozilla foundation right now, not african viagra maker, Mozilla or any other OSS organization for that matter does not spam. If they do, it's because most likely they're also selling a product and want to push sales of it (like everything related in spam) but no, does Mozilla sell anything? Not really. They get payed a lot for the google searchbox and get donations from big companies so there you go, the twisted logic :rolleyes: So if your friend gives out your email to Mozilla, the number of emails you're most likely to get from them is one, hence why it's not a big deal to delete a single email from them. Twisted logic? Hardly... Not every product sold is one that is a direct cost to the user upfront. Spyware is a good example! Spyware apps typically costs nothing and the developer is paid for the ads he ends up showing you or the information he has collected and is now selling to advertisers. Does that mean that a spam message asking you to install spyware isn't spam? No. Mozilla's email is spam because it is commercial. They are sending you a message to get you to use their product without your consent which they stand to profit from by a sponsor (Google). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted July 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted July 17, 2006 I however bet that if Microsoft did this, people in neowin would say YEAH ITS COOL MICROSOFT CARES ABOUT USERS BY ADDING THEIR NAMES but Because it's Mozilla, "It wastes space!". Quite the opposite. There'll be a 1000-line long blog on Asa Dotzler's blog if MS ever did something like this, plus not to mention the thousands of Firefox and Internet Explorer users flaming each other 24/7. twisted logic? We're talking about the Mozilla foundation right now, not african viagra maker, Mozilla or any other OSS organization for that matter does not spam. If they do, it's because most likely they're also selling a product and want to push sales of it (like everything related in spam) but no, does Mozilla sell anything? Not really. They get payed a lot for the google searchbox and get donations from big companies so there you go, the twisted logic So if your friend gives out your email to Mozilla, the number of emails you're most likely to get from them is one, hence why it's not a big deal to delete a single email from them. I could spam these forums with, for instance, clan recruiting messages - that counts as spam. Am I selling anything? Nope. For now, Mozilla isn't selling anything yet. Unless they post details on how they utilize the loads of cash earned off Google's ads/toolbar and such, we can just speculate that there's more to their intentions of being a "non-profit" organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osirisX Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 So, they are increasing the size of the installer for a 'feature' that doesn't help with browsing at all. <sarcasm>Sounds like a great idea to me!</sarcasm> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I'd argue strongly against this being spam. Its really your friend sending the email, they provided the address knowing the email would be sent and you will receive a single email as a result. It doesnt to me seem any different to adding someone on MSN and selecting the box that says "send them an invite to download MSN Messenger" or sending a gmail invite, windows Live mail invite or an invite to any countless of other sources where a friend has to opt you in and you receive a single email as a result. Also what about E-Cards? They surely arent considered spam too if used correctly? Now if they sent multiple emails or put you on a mailing list without your consent that would be different. But alas no, its a single email. I seriously would object to calling this promotion spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayzee Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I wonder what this does to Firefox binary size.. :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 These aggressive Firefox advertising campaigns are starting to get a bit out of hand. :wacko: Here here (Y) It is a double-strandard that if any other major browser developer did something similar, Asa would be tearing strips out of them for it! EDIT: In fact, over at Asa's "blog", he's referring to this program as "saving" a person who uses another browser. That is really promoting out-and-out arrogance in the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) It is fortunate that Asa's oppinion isnt that carried by the entire team but. Other Mozilla employees have come out and said that IE7 is actually shaping up nicely, I cant remember who that was whether it was Ben, Bart, Blake or one of the other developers. I don't think they do themselves any favours when they have team mebers saying such things about the competitors. Sure its a personal blog but none the less it will be associated with the team as a whole. A more humble approach is usually best IMHO. You can definetly aggresively market a product without saying alot of the things Asa does about the competition. Edited July 17, 2006 by Smigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathiasdm Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 I wonder what this does to Firefox binary size.. :x As quoted from Slashdot: Text can be easily compressed by 80-90% by bzip2. Suppose that there are 100.000 names in the code, and the average length of a name is 15 characters. Counting newlines and comment prefixes (in the form of " * [name here]"), the space taken will be 100000 * (15 + 4) = 1900000 bytes, or 1855 KB. If the file is compressed by 85% then it'll become 278 KB. In comparison, the current Firefox 2.0b1 source tar.bz2 is 32 MB. 278 KB is about 0.8% of that. Hardly significant comparing that you as a Slashdotter probably has a broadband connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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