MetaLRasaM Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960 its just sad guys...very sad. PLEASE READ IT guys.. please read it. http://www.nbc4.tv/video/10328072/detail.html read me: http://weblog.timoregan.com/2006/11/ucla-s...es-for-not.html "But according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so. "It is a real mistake to treat a Taser as some benign thing that painlessly brings people under control," said Peter Eliasberg, managing attorney at the ACLU of Southern California. "The Taser can be incredibly violent and result in death," Eliasberg said. According to an ACLU report, 148 people in the United States and Canada have died as a result of the use of Tasers since 1999. " Edited November 20, 2006 by Fred Derf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) all I can say...is the dude should have 'stood up'....lol he brought it on himself and made a childish scene and if you noticed at the end...the others 'obeyed' the police when they said....move or you'll get tased too...LOL Edited November 16, 2006 by jwjw1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snyper Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 we need perspective on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitebread Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 :rolleyes: I have no sympathy for the guy. He should have done what he was told :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User6060 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 What does his ethnicity have to do with him being disorderly? Is it supposed to draw sympathy or supposed to make the cops look like they're racist? The guy didn't do what the cops said, therefor he probably was doing something he shouldn't. Plus a taser is much better than being shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 He was resisting arrest, he could have just stood up and walked out and the whole incident would not have occured. Instead, he resisted arrested, when they had a hold of him, he was causing them to be dragged down with him. I don't think it was excessive force at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snyper Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 we dont use tasar guns in Ireland. A few Punches to the Head will make him quieten down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 16, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 16, 2006 Not carrying student ID is a crime? I've used U. of T. reference libraries before without being a student. Apparently he was cooperating with campus security (voluntarily leaving) until they tried to push him out the door. I don't get it, were other students in danger somehow? Why didn't they wait for real cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lardiop Veteran Posted November 16, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) I work for an on-campus police force, they were well within their rights to tase the guy. The idea is to get compliance, not to be cruel or unusual. Count then number of times the guy could have simply 'gotten up' and left with them. Instead he decides to make a scene, and cite bs that has nothing to do with him leaving. (Patriot act etc) Not getting up isn't going to make you a civil rights leader there buddy. I clearly dont have all the information to make an appropriate assessment of what the campus police did there, but from what you can make out in the video he deserved it. I love all the little undergrad criminology or pre-law students yelling "I want your badge number!" and "That's an abuse of your power!". You want to put on a badge and deal with things like that on a daily basis? What about when you're smashed out of your mind and need us to come pull you out of a potentially life threatening situation? The time to get that information is AFTER the situation has been dealt with, not while the guy is refusing to leave. Back off and let the cops do their job; the kid had options and he wouldn't choose the right one. @Fred, All students (at least where I work) MUST carry some form of identification at all times. (Student ID or not) Edited November 16, 2006 by lardiop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 16, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 16, 2006 A third incident, a new video A cellphone camera captures UCLA police using a Taser on a student who allegedly refused to leave the library Tuesday night. By Amanda Covarrubias and Stuart Silverstein, Times Staff Writers November 16, 2006 The latest in a recent spate of cellphone videos documenting questionable arrest tactics surfaced Wednesday, this one showing a UCLA police officer using a Taser to stun a student who allegedly refused to leave the campus library. Grainy video of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library was broadcast Wednesday on TV news and the Internet, prompting a review of the officers' actions and outrage among students at the Westwood campus. The footage showed the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, falling to the ground and crying out in pain as officers stunned him. According to a campus police report, the incident began when community service officers, who serve as guards at the library, began their nightly routine of checking to make sure everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety. When Tabatabainejad, 23, refused to provide his ID to the community service officer, the officer told him he would have to show it or leave the library, the report said. After repeated requests, the officer left and returned with campus police, who asked Tabatabainejad to leave "multiple times," according to a statement by the UCLA Police Department. "He continued to refuse," the statement said. "As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building." Witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack. When an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, the witnesses said, Tabatabainejad told the officer to let go, yelling "Get off me" several times. "Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance," police said. "The officers deemed it necessary to use the Taser." Officers stunned Tabatabainejad, causing him to fall to the floor. The video shows Tabatabainejad yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ... abuse of power," the Daily Bruin reported, adding he used a profanity. "It was beyond grotesque," said UCLA graduate David Remesnitsky of Los Angeles, who witnessed the incident. "By the end they took him over the stairs, lifted him up and Tasered him on his rear end. It seemed like it was inappropriately placed. The Tasering was so unnecessary and they just kept doing it." Campus police confirmed that Tabatabainejad was stunned "multiple" times. By then, Remesnitsky said, a crowd of 50 or 60 had gathered and were shouting at the officers to stop and demanding their names and badge numbers. Remesnitsky said officers told him to leave or he would be Tasered. Tabatabainejad declined to comment. He was arrested Tuesday night and cited by campus police for resisting and obstructing a police officer and was released. The incident was the third videotape of an arrest to surface in the last week in Los Angeles. One video showed a Los Angeles Police Department officer dousing a handcuffed suspect in the face with pepper spray as the suspect sat in a patrol car. ... http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/c...1&cset=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snyper Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 ...leave Library in a timely manner. Community Service Officers had asked Tabatabainejad to leave after he failed to produce his BruinCard during a random check at around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday. UCPD Assistant Chief of Police Jeff Young said the checks are a standard procedure in the library after 11 p.m. "Because of the safety of the students we limit the use after 11 to just students, staff and faculty," Young said. Young said the CSOs on duty in the library at the time went to get UCPD officers when Tabatabainejad did not immediately leave, and UCPD officers resorted to use of the Taser when Tabatabainejad did not do as he was told. Sounds a little harsh to me to be honest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitebread Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 we dont use tasar guns in Ireland. A few Punches to the Head will make him quieten down. Very true :pThe idea is to get compliance, not to be cruel or unusual. Count then number of times the guy could have simply 'gotten up' and left with them. Instead he decides to make a scene, and cite bs that has nothing to do with him leaving. (Patriot act etc) Not getting up isn't going to make you a civil rights leader there buddy.I love all the little undergrad criminology or pre-law students yelling "I want your badge number!" and "That's an abuse of your power!". You want to put on a badge and deal with things like that on a daily basis? What about when you're smashed out of your mind and need us to come pull you out of a potentially life threatening situation? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/11/16/rights....l?eref=rss_tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 As people have been saying a lot of its the fault of both sides, both the guy and the police. But in context, it also seems like a lot of its because of broader tensions. The students immediately knew to ask the officer's badge number--how would they immediately know to do this unless they were involved in incidents or interested in incidents before? Its either a problem with the police or the students there, or both. My guess is that a lot of the on campus police are pricks, and justify their abuse of power, because they deal with rowdy students a lot, its very believable. But my guess is that a lot of the students there probably saw the same connections that guy saw to the Patriot Act, even though this has nothing to do with it--and are so politically obsessed they have a fight-the-power mentality. Abuse could have happened 30 years ago, and can happen in other countries, although some other countries ban certain types of devices like tasers The police were clumsy; when this is investigated the thing that needs to be looked at is in a situation like this both the individual and the police will make some emotional, rash decisions. Whoever has authority has to decide who was out of line; and they should look at the policemen's records and do interviews with others who have had encounters with them; and this guy's records and whether he's been involved in other incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRecovery Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Simple, thats ABUSE by police. /EZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Reid Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 What the **** does race have to do with this. When i first saw it reported it said UCLA STUDENT, and no mention of race. Nice try though, you just made yourself look like an ass. Not carrying student ID is a crime? I've used U. of T. reference libraries before without being a student. Good job reading the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 "I bet he leaves the next library voluntarily when asked" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Sounded like a child throwing a tantrum. Campus police "stand up" Student "F - Off" Campus police "stand up" Student struggles, squirms, and resisting to stand up Campus Police Taz him Lost count after 30 times of them telling him to stand up. I think he's lucky. How many times do they have to tell him? I would have tazzed him after the 5th time to stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpablo Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Sounded like a child throwing a tantrum. Campus police "stand up" Student "F - Off" Campus police "stand up" Student struggles, squirms, and resisting to stand up Campus Police Taz him Lost count after 30 times of them telling him to stand up. I think he's lucky. How many times do they have to tell him? I would have tazzed him after the 5th time to stand up. Agreed ! :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaLRasaM Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Not carrying student ID is a crime? I've used U. of T. reference libraries before without being a student.Apparently he was cooperating with campus security (voluntarily leaving) until they tried to push him out the door. I don't get it, were other students in danger somehow? Why didn't they wait for real cops. you see..thats why you are a mod.most of these guys didnt even bother to read it!! AFTER THE FIRST ZAP, THE DUDE WAS IN HANDCUFFS!! ON THE FLOOR...he CANT GET UP...DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY JUST SHOCKED HIM!! studies say it takes around 5-15 min to fully recover from a zap. they CAN NOT TELL HIM "GET UP OR WE WILL ZAP YOU SOME MORE"they should've just took him out..grabbed him...after the 1st zap..the rest happened when the dude was CONTAINED!! he was cuffed and on the floor!!!!!!!! he IS a student at UCLA, and he WAS LEAVING...he had his bag on his shoulder...leaving with the cops..when one of the grabbed him..and he screamed "let go of me". this is NOT OK. tasers are GUN replacements...when firing a gun can harm other poeple, cops are intructed to use tasers...do you think he was that big of a threat? c'mon guys...get real..i attached the damn article for you to read..not to watch a 5 min clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRecovery Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 "I bet he leaves the next library voluntarily when asked" He WAS leaving the library voluntarily. He WAS leaving the library when one of the officers grabbed his arm and when he said "get off me" thats when he got tased. /EZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 you see..thats why you are a mod.most of these guys didnt even bother to read it!! AFTER THE FIRST ZAP, THE DUDE WAS IN HANDCUFFS!! ON THE FLOOR...he CANT GET UP...DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY JUST SHOCKED HIM!! studies say it takes around 5-15 min to fully recover from a zap. they CAN NOT TELL HIM "GET UP OR WE WILL ZAP YOU SOME MORE"they should've just took him out..grabbed him...after the 1st zap..the rest happened when the dude was CONTAINED!! he was cuffed and on the floor!!!!!!!! he IS a student at UCLA, and he WAS LEAVING...he had his bag on his shoulder...leaving with the cops..when one of the grabbed him..and he screamed "let go of me". this is NOT OK. tasers are GUN replacements...when firing a gun can harm other poeple, cops are intructed to use tasers...do you think he was that big of a threat? c'mon guys...get real..i attached the damn article for you to read..not to watch a 5 min clip. Exactly. You are one of the few people who actually read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaLRasaM Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Sounded like a child throwing a tantrum. Campus police "stand up" Student "F - Off" Campus police "stand up" Student struggles, squirms, and resisting to stand up Campus Police Taz him Lost count after 30 times of them telling him to stand up. I think he's lucky. How many times do they have to tell him? I would have tazzed him after the 5th time to stand up. guys.,.when you get zapped..you CANT really get up again...its not like that..ist not like you got hit in the balls...it intrupts your muscles..thats why you fall...it takes a while..studies show that it takes around 5-15 min to fully recover from a taser gun. im looking for the link about the study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 studies say it takes around 5-15 min to fully recover from a zap. Which explains why he was coherent in his verbalization to the campus police right. "You motherf******" "I said I would Leave" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaLRasaM Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 watch this video...the kid is saying "I WILL LEAVE" http://www.nbc4.tv/video/10328072/detail.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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