runningking7 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Okay, that "Iranian-American" student is a non-complying individual. He could have told the police officers that he could NOT stand up after being tasered instead of cursing "motherf**ker," etc. Really, people like him deserved to be tazed more than five times. Perhaps as defined by police but I doubt that most courts would see it that way. I think most courts would see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyzeguy Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 given i dont think it should become any bigger than it is as a country :| this video is inconclusive, why were the police there in the first place? if they felt all that was justified, i support them 100% theres no outrage when police taser, or shoot a crack head, but when its a kid that goes to university, the law has to change? screw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) OMG :no: :no: :no: :no: :( thats just wrong, seriously wrong, why there not right in the head. all they had to do is cuff his ankles and wrists and thats it. and carry him out. Using the taser gun is just wrong :no: :(. On a more lighter note i think BC should stay the way it is :) yeah i thought this was wrong too. i will never be able to think of a university library the same again. there is just no excuse for this kind of behaviour, except the typical bush excuse of 'boooohhh the terrorist pantomime are here, lets take your rights away'. it took me two days to recover [mostly] from that. this video is inconclusive, why were the police there in the first place? if they felt all that was justified, i support them 100% theres no outrage when police taser, or shoot a crack head, but when its a kid that goes to university, the law has to change? screw that. perhaps youve never really studied in a university library. did you even notice that thats where this horrible abuse of all of our freedom took place? pah! did you even notice mate? Edited November 20, 2006 by Fred Derf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyzeguy Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 how do you know that this kid didnt deserve it?? all we see is the cops taking him down, we dont see why the cops were called there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 how do you know that this kid didnt deserve it?? all we see is the cops taking him down, we dont see why the cops were called there in the first place. that aint the point mate and if you dont see that then theres not much i can do for you [reallly, youve got to try to mange to do it for yourself]. in civilised countries, this would be regarded as an outrage [shock horror but yes it would.... and try to figure out why]. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 Some posts were moved here from this thread: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=513293 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 UCLA orders outside probe of Taser arrest The move comes hours after a protest march by more than 200 students. By Richard Winton, Rong-Gong Lin II and Charles Proctor, Times Staff Writers November 18, 2006 Hoping to calm the furor created when UCLA police used a Taser to subdue a student studying in Powell Library, the university's acting chancellor announced Friday that a veteran Los Angeles law enforcement watchdog would head up an independent investigation of the incident. Norman Abrams said he ordered the probe after the university received numerous calls and e-mails from parents and alumni raising concerns about the officers' actions during the videotaped Tuesday night arrest, which has been widely seen on TV news and the YouTube website. "I want to assure them that the UCLA campus is a safe environment. Student safety and treatment are of paramount concern at UCLA," Abrams said. "We plan to move ahead promptly with a complete and unbiased review." Abrams appointed Merrick Bobb, who was a staff attorney for the Christopher Commission and currently works as the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors' watchdog over the Sheriff's Department, to handle the probe. Abrams said Bobb has a proven track record looking into allegations of police misconduct, including the Rodney King beating and more recently the riots at the L.A. County jail system. The move came hours after more than 200 students marched to the UCLA police station calling for an independent investigation into the Taser incident as well as the suspension of the officers involved. Wearing signs reading, "I am a student, don't Taser me" and chanting, "Tasers out of UC," the protesters said it was an inherent conflict of interest for university police to handle the investigation of their own officers. "What was done was unnecessary," said Rahmatullah Akbar, a senior majoring in psychology. "We as students don't deserve to be Tasered." ... http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/f...1&cset=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 UCLA orders outside probe of Taser arrest The move comes hours after a protest march by more than 200 students. By Richard Winton, Rong-Gong Lin II and Charles Proctor, Times Staff Writers November 18, 2006 Hoping to calm the furor created when UCLA police used a Taser to subdue a student studying in Powell Library, the university's acting chancellor announced Friday that a veteran Los Angeles law enforcement watchdog would head up an independent investigation of the incident. Norman Abrams said he ordered the probe after the university received numerous calls and e-mails from parents and alumni raising concerns about the officers' actions during the videotaped Tuesday night arrest, which has been widely seen on TV news and the YouTube website. "I want to assure them that the UCLA campus is a safe environment. Student safety and treatment are of paramount concern at UCLA," Abrams said. "We plan to move ahead promptly with a complete and unbiased review." Abrams appointed Merrick Bobb, who was a staff attorney for the Christopher Commission and currently works as the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors' watchdog over the Sheriff's Department, to handle the probe. Abrams said Bobb has a proven track record looking into allegations of police misconduct, including the Rodney King beating and more recently the riots at the L.A. County jail system. The move came hours after more than 200 students marched to the UCLA police station calling for an independent investigation into the Taser incident as well as the suspension of the officers involved. Wearing signs reading, "I am a student, don't Taser me" and chanting, "Tasers out of UC," the protesters said it was an inherent conflict of interest for university police to handle the investigation of their own officers. "What was done was unnecessary," said Rahmatullah Akbar, a senior majoring in psychology. "We as students don't deserve to be Tasered." ... http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/f...1&cset=true damn well they asked for this. because they arent capable clearly of monitoring their own behaviour. if i could say how much this disturbed me that would mean id be a better writer than ive ever read before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuJu Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 so he forgot his card that he needs to go in the Library after 11PM and witnesses say that he was on his way out when he got tasered not just one time but 5-6 times, just because he forgot his card. Others say he wasnt given a chance to show that he was a UCLA student by the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) I work for an on-campus police force, they were well within their rights to tase the guy.The idea is to get compliance, not to be cruel or unusual. Count then number of times the guy could have simply 'gotten up' and left with them. Instead he decides to make a scene, and cite bs that has nothing to do with him leaving. (Patriot act etc) Not getting up isn't going to make you a civil rights leader there buddy. I clearly dont have all the information to make an appropriate assessment of what the campus police did there, but from what you can make out in the video he deserved it. I love all the little undergrad criminology or pre-law students yelling "I want your badge number!" and "That's an abuse of your power!". You want to put on a badge and deal with things like that on a daily basis? What about when you're smashed out of your mind and need us to come pull you out of a potentially life threatening situation? The time to get that information is AFTER the situation has been dealt with, not while the guy is refusing to leave. Back off and let the cops do their job; the kid had options and he wouldn't choose the right one. @Fred, All students (at least where I work) MUST carry some form of identification at all times. (Student ID or not) Are you kidding me? I'm at an university myself--I'm a "little undergrad" and I don't like what you said. Sorry to say, but you're the kind who seems to "shoot first, ask questions later." Asking for compliance? Come on. Whatever happened to respect? Tasing the guy just because he dared to not conform to the police? He wasn't doing anything wrong... he had a right to be there, he just didn't have his ID on him at the time. He's a human! We aren't numbers, we're humans. I mean, come on. It's not like he's a second-born son of Osma Bin Laden and is next in line to become America's #1 terrorist! Perhaps, he should have just left when asked to...but come on. He pays to be there. He shouldn't have to leave just because he forgot his ID. Maybe I sound like a free-spirited liberal hippie, but so be it. I think security nowadays is way too strict...and your attitude saddens me. No wonder people are more and more paranoid nowadays. Treating everyone like a potential terrorist is NOT the way to go. Whatever happened to common sense, decency, and respect? Geez. America's post-911 mentality needs to stop. Maybe I am a terrorist, because I dare to think differently. Edited November 20, 2006 by Andy13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Its not that I disagree with people who think the force was excessive, there are just things people should should realize before making arguments... There is more than one setting on a taser; according to articles, the officers did not use the setting that disables people, just administers a shock. When the student was on the ground he yelled something like 'won't anyone else join the resistance?'... I read an article where a UCLA student that was present in the situation said that in a part that wasn't on the tape he said he was being a 'martyr'. Another student present posted comments on YouTube stating that the guy was yelling at the librarian before the campus police came. Geez. America's post-911 mentality needs to stop. Maybe I am a terrorist, because I dare to think differently. Frankly something that struck me is that all of the students knew to immediately ask for a badge number; most people wouldn't even realize that's what you're supposed to do. Plus, the student that was tasered went immediately screaming about the Patriot Act. The officers may have been wrong; but frankly the whole thing felt like if the students were involved in politics and had a fight-the-power mentality, and that confrontations like this have gone out of hand before. If so, the post-911 mentality isn't just the people that are pro-war and justify being ######, but anti-war who make everything about politics and act like babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 Jesus. Sick bastards. Give them the electric chair and see how they like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaughingMan Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 you know what I think? I think the crowd should have gotten outta hand and started beating some pig ass. Beat the **** outta those stupid ****ing piece of **** cops and show them who is in control of the situation. Start telling the cops to leave or they'll have a handful of bloody teeth on the floor. Bleh, popo's dont need to live anyway, it's not like they're REALLY people. hahaha ^LMAO right on! but really it was 3 heavily train guys against 1 kid who I bet can bench 140 or less. They could have escort him out since he was on his way to the door. For the guy who say he should leave faster..stfu I don't care if Walmart or the stupid libery is closed at 9:00 or in 1 min, I'm not gonna run out the door risk falling to death or jam my work into my bag and and having my essay rip up..idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Jesus. Sick bastards.Give them the electric chair and see how they like it. While I definitely agree that they should be punished, I think the electric chair is a bit extreme :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googintosh Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Not cooperating to requests from student volunteers and police the first time, then telling police to f***-off will surely help your cause! Simple, thats ABUSE by police. /EZ Simple, that's a gross over-simplification of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolvi Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 COMMON SENSE. Not presenting proper identification when asked is like refusing to show your license and registration on the road. The police has every reason to deem one as a dangerous person and make an arrest at scene. Further actions (investigation) should be taken against this student (Is he, without ID?) in order to protect students from his unreasonable behaviours and unclear intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 COMMON SENSE. Not presenting proper identification when asked is like refusing to show your license and registration on the road. The police has every reason to deem one as a dangerous person and make an arrest at scene.Further actions (investigation) should be taken against this student (Is he, without ID?) in order to protect students from his unreasonable behaviours and unclear intentions. Did you watch the video? I won't argue that the guy was in the wrong for not showing his ID, but there's still a limit the amount of force one can use on another unless they feel their life and the lives around them are in serious danger and in my opinion the situation didn't look like it warranted the force used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyPotatoes Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I bet that will make college students remember their library card for the single 11pm random ID checks. This is just so ridiculous. This quote is genius. Have an ID otherwise you get tazered. Do not forget your library card or you will be ****in TAZORD five times do not try to finish anything. 11pm civilian's/terrorists/students show up to plant bombs or illegally read books those cops were saving lives. NO OTHER times of the day do they need id checks only once, I feel protected!!! Also do not scream angrily because cops are pulling on you to leave. As for the watchers and the library terrorist/students without id's know this; most places are surrounded by some type of dirt so you can stick your head in that. Next time you see any college friends make sure you know the random id check time of the library they are headed and how to quickly leave in case officers start tazering you on the way out, lastly just be extra careful if you are Iranian or look brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 Did you watch the video? I won't argue that the guy was in the wrong for not showing his ID, but there's still a limit the amount of force one can use on another unless they feel their life and the lives around them are in serious danger and in my opinion the situation didn't look like it warranted the force used. Exactly, I don't think the UCLA student was being an angel here but the reaction of the campus police was way over the top. If he did something wrong then charge him for it and let him have his day in court but don't be judge, jury and executioner because you don't like his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyPotatoes Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I give up. some of you guys are just wow... back in the day, Neowin had alot of super smart people. It isnt like that anymore. Neowin has not been like that since mid 2004. It is full of teens. Which studies show do not possess full empathic abilities and have many other limitations. So subjects as these...but of course the new generations popularity has positives and negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andareed Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Imo, force should only be used to subdue someone. The officers might very well be justified in tazering the student once. However, once he was down (which is clear - the officers where after all asking the student to get up) I see no reason to tazer him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolvi Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) Yes. I've watched the video all right. Just happened to be "tubing" myself on that day. But I still have to say that the fact that this person's behaviours and logistics are so beyond reasoning is still the main factor that this amost an everyday scenario went this far. First of all, he was being very unco-operative. Secondly, his actions and reactions were outrageous. Thirdly, he's an educated person and should know the basics here: you DON'T try to overpower police officers verbally, or physically (duh). I agree 100% that the police had used more force than necessary, but it was the direct result of his extreme behaviours. I also strongly believe that the police deemed this person dangerous based on 1) failing to identify himself; 2) refused to co-operative and leave the scene; 3) had the intention or did fight back(!!!). So he had to be stopped for the safety of others. The police had gone over the line, I'm not disagreeing with what I've seen with my eyes, but they might also have stopped someone dangerous which there were many indications of and for the sakes of others safety and basic duties of a citizen I'm just trying not to overlook and underplay the source of the problem here. Edited November 20, 2006 by coolvi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_r_nelson Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I have no sympathy for this idiot. Absolutely none. First off, we see/hear none of the conversation before the taping starts. Someone heard a bunch of noise and started taping and paying attention. I guarantee they asked him to leave before this whole thing escalated. And if any of you think they didn't ask him nicely to leave the first time, which none of us have heard, you're just kidding yourselves. They didn't walk in there and start pushing students around. No one else was having this problem. Second, if you think you are being treated unfairly, file a complaint with UCLA about the security. Don't try and spout off about "Your rights" and try and win an argument. They don't care. You don't have an I.D. and they are told to kick people out that don't have an I.D., then they are going to kick you out. They don't have a gray area with their instructions. Third, this is a simple thing. They ask you to leave, LEAVE. Don't ask questions, LEAVE. Don't start spouting about "your rights." Get your **** and LEAVE!!! These are campus security. Do you people realize how many asshats they have to deal with on a daily basis. They don't have time to mess around with people. They have a job to do. Next time, when they ask you to leave, again for the cheap seats, ****ING LEAVE!!! Bottom line, if he would have done as they asked the first time this wouldn't have happened. 'Cuz as much as you whiney, liberal ****-ants want to believe "The Man" is out to get everyone, deep down you all know they asked him nice the first time. And he should be glad that it wasn't me with the taser. I hate pukes that can't listen. Rules are rules and, someone in college should understand that simple fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diffused Mind Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 You're right, because nobody has rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 You're right, because nobody has rights. Truly innocent people don't need rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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