Nashy Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 oh boy! :pinch: :no: first of, there's no support for mouse build-in the Xbox 360. for that thing to work properly you'll need to modify the XOS kernel to add the proper interface to handle the point and click interface. second, you just can't use a mouse on any game just like that... again, not a single game for the Xbox platform has been build to support a mouse/keyboard configuration and thinking that just by plunging in a mouse will "unlock" the mouse pointer on any game is just wishful thinking... :rolleyes: sorry to burst you bubble guys but this is not the holy grail of gaming... :devil: :laugh: :rofl: :p I love you right now, no really, I do. :D Take that cheaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 good, i dont want people playing on live with this...modify your kernel all you want/pirate all the games you want, but stay off live! :angry: if you want to use a mouse/keyboard, buy the stupid brick of a console (not naming names) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted November 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 23, 2006 i really dont see how this gives some one a huge so unfair giant bomb dog slaughtering advantage you all make it out to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugi Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yeah I saw that... but isn't it only a prototype? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 oh boy! :pinch: :no: first of, there's no support for mouse build-in the Xbox 360. for that thing to work properly you'll need to modify the XOS kernel to add the proper interface to handle the point and click interface. second, you just can't use a mouse on any game just like that... again, not a single game for the Xbox platform has been build to support a mouse/keyboard configuration and thinking that just by plunging in a mouse will "unlock" the mouse pointer on any game is just wishful thinking... :rolleyes: sorry to burst you bubble guys but this is not the holy grail of gaming... :devil: :laugh: :rofl: :p You're missing the point. It's not "unlocking" anything. Obviously this isn't meant to be just some USB Hub or PS/2-to-USB converter. This adapter is meant to intercept the signals from the keyboard/mouse and convert them to the signals that the 360 controller would send. I'm sure there will be some hick-ups and it won't work 100% flawlessly but if it didn't work at all, then TeamXtender wouldn't bother making it. So, I'm saying IF this does work then it won't work 100% and hardcore PC FPS fans will quite easily notice the difference. Also, it will be very hard for Microsoft to ban this in any way since the signals being sent to the 360 are most probably simulated 360 controller signals, so it would be hard to differentiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugi Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 You're missing the point. It's not "unlocking" anything. Obviously this isn't meant to be just some USB Hub or PS/2-to-USB converter. This adapter is meant to intercept the signals from the keyboard/mouse and convert them to the signals that the 360 controller would send. I'm sure there will be some hick-ups and it won't work 100% flawlessly but if it didn't work at all, then TeamXtender wouldn't bother making it. So, I'm saying IF this does work then it won't work 100% and hardcore PC FPS fans will quite easily notice the difference. Also, it will be very hard for Microsoft to ban this in any way since the signals being sent to the 360 are most probably simulated 360 controller signals, so it would be hard to differentiate. Exactly... team snipers in halo anyone? Haha :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 it wont work well in halo for the guy above, i know because this has been out a long time for the Xbox and it works the same way here - the mouse bsaically serves as what the analogue stick would do, but with deadzone to compensate and its just not great. edit: this is what i have, its the same thing just for the Xbox 1 and has been out years. http://uk.xbox.gamespy.com/articles/565/565000p1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briandl79 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yeah, it's funny because this Live argument has already been done before with the other product for the original Xbox... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Blood Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I'm new to live and I think its great, I love the idea of a level playing field and this could ruin everything, its only a matter of time before it works just like a pc keyboard and mouse should (no deadzone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 It can't unless the developers write in the mouse support otherwise all you can do is emulate the thumbstick with the mouse, so don't worry about level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Yea, I wouldn't worry about the level playing field either. But this is a nice option for those that really hate controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 (edited) Why, you can still play single player games with it. The whole point of live is everyone has a level playing field, yes some people might have more skill than others but at least the interface is the same so everyone has the potential to be as good as everyone else. Throw this into the mix and it upsets the balance, Id get ****ed off if i constantly got killed by someone who has an unfair advantage, i liken it to cheating. On that logic they shouldnt allow 3rd party controllers with even slightly different button layouts or steering wheels for online racing games since not everyone has the wheel. And yeah, obviously this isnt just a hub but it intercepts the signal. If it was a hub you could make this thing in 2 days as it'd just be a big USB switch really. Obviously it's doing more...I mean why would they add mouse support if you couldnt actually use the mouse. Obviously in some games it may be a bit of a disadvantage but the games are made for the joystick in mind and secondly its not as if people cant go out and buy the hub themselves if its that big a issue. Edited November 24, 2006 by Smigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 You're missing the point. It's not "unlocking" anything. Obviously this isn't meant to be just some USB Hub or PS/2-to-USB converter. This adapter is meant to intercept the signals from the keyboard/mouse and convert them to the signals that the 360 controller would send. I'm sure there will be some hick-ups and it won't work 100% flawlessly but if it didn't work at all, then TeamXtender wouldn't bother making it. So, I'm saying IF this does work then it won't work 100% and hardcore PC FPS fans will quite easily notice the difference. Also, it will be very hard for Microsoft to ban this in any way since the signals being sent to the 360 are most probably simulated 360 controller signals, so it would be hard to differentiate. this is quite easy for us to ban it from being used on XBL, all we have to do is blacklist the hardware ID of the device and will render it useless for any game... :devil: :laugh: :rofl: :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 this is quite easy for us to ban it from being used on XBL, all we have to do is blacklist the hardware ID of the device and will render it useless for any game... :devil: :laugh: :rofl: :p But I highly doubt that will happen, unless the product works 100% and there is a significant outcry from the community asking for a ban... which I don't think will happen either. This is a complete non-issue, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aud Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 And seeing how the controller auto-aim will still kick in... :drool: :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 But I highly doubt that will happen, unless the product works 100% and there is a significant outcry from the community asking for a ban... which I don't think will happen either. This is a complete non-issue, really. even if it doesn't work I'm sure it will get banned from the service, why? it all comes down to the psych factor of it. once the word is out in the wild many people will refrain from playing over XBL because many of them will think there's a big possibility of been cheated when they start losing matches even if its because they lack the skills necessary to win the match. this will only increase the amount of complains and for sure it will start a lot of verbal fights on many games. one of the premises of the service is fact that we will do ANYTHING to make sure your experience online is the most pleasant one even if that means kicking the butt of half of the population on XBL and you agree with that once you accept the ToU. 14. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer or by logging into your account via Xbox.com. You agree that you are using authorized software and hardware to access the Service, and that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., authorized repairs, upgrades and downloads). Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute, or use for other purposes either the hardware or software associated with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console or the Service, is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft. Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security or this contract or any additional terms as described in Section 2 above, and such users may also incur criminal and/or civil liability. Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of the Service. Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to the Service; (b) retrieve information from the original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, personal computer and any connected peripheral device used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this Agreement; and © upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service or any game from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your original Xbox, Xbox 360 console or personal computer, and which software may prevent you from accessing the Service, playing pirated games, or using unauthorized peripheral devices. Source: Xbox Live Terms of Use * Don't cheat in a game unless cheats have been deliberately enabled.* Don't modify or hack game content to create cheats. Source: Xbox Code of Conduct :happy: :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 Updated with video links: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...lklkAfhvumm.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfunk4life Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 im still waiting for the one for xbox s controller :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/hardw...mxfps360/05.jpg That is a crime against gaming. Replacing the best standard controller ever made with the 10 year old hodge-podge of stolen ideas. Oh would you shut up already? :sleep: :rolleyes: :x :whistle: Allowing keyboards is unfair imo. They will have a great advantage over joysticks :no: But allowing PS2 controllers on the X360 is a great idea - altho id rather have a PS3 controller. The PS3 controller has the same buttons as a X360 controller. It would have no advantage over the other controllers I think My brother will be very happy to hear this :yes: btw, can you map the controls? :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 (edited) Allowing keyboards is unfair imo. They will have a great advantage over joysticks :no: But allowing PS2 controllers on the X360 is a great idea - altho id rather have a PS3 controller. The PS3 controller has the same buttons as a X360 controller. It would have no advantage over the other controllers I think Whos to say how different a device is before it's considered too different? And what's stopping users from buying this device? Cost? Well then what about the steering wheel when it comes to racing games...doesn't that pose as an advantage to those with the wheel? Where do you draw the line? What if they also map the sensor tech of the PS3 control so you can aim by moving the control about? Wouldnt that be an unfair advantage in certain situations?If the control is indeed mapping the mouse to the joystick function it is then doing nothing different than if you were to use a PS2 or PS3 control nor is it doing anything you cant already do with a joypad. I fail to see the issue. Like a steering wheel you have the option to use it if you like or stick with the joypad if you like. I'd imagine the wheel offers better controls in racing games but I doubt that will encourage every user to use it because to be honest it simply isnt needed. As such I think it's a terrific idea. Why? because it gives users a choice. If it is found that using the mouse allows people to play better than with a joypad then even better I say! If using a mouse is funner and eliminates frustration for games then why shouldnt it be allowed? Why cripple users using a device when there has been a better device available for 30 years that is quite capable of performing the same task. And like I said elsewhere people are only considering online play. Hell I dont play games on Live and I would LOVE the mouse to use alone in single player games. What about RTS? Wouldnt a mouse help those games for many users? I think the advantages outweigh the negatives and if people want to there wouldnt be anything to stop them using a mouse themselves. If people continue to use this "it's an unfair advantage" excuse then I think I will have to keep questioning why they are holding back peoples ability to play the game to their fullest potential. Really it makes no sense to me. If the mouse works then why not allow it to be used. In the end I dont see it creating any more of an imbalance in the playing field as there already is when some users play racing games on a joypad while others are using the steering wheel, and MS (and most people) seem happy with that situation. Thats my oppinion anyway. Edited December 23, 2006 by Smigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I wouldn't worry about it too much, guys -- even with the mouse there's a lag factor similar to the controller. It wouldn't be any more fun, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley porkchop Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Auto-aim + mouse = bad. Does no one remember Halo PC? (N) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Auto-aim . = Bad I can remeber countless times where auto-aim would track a target that I did not want it to. Needless to say I still play the game because I enjoy it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Whos to say how different a device is before it's considered too different? And what's stopping users from buying this device? Cost? Well then what about the steering wheel when it comes to racing games...doesn't that pose as an advantage to those with the wheel? Where do you draw the line? What if they also map the sensor tech of the PS3 control so you can aim by moving the control about? Wouldnt that be an unfair advantage in certain situations? If the control is indeed mapping the mouse to the joystick function it is then doing nothing different than if you were to use a PS2 or PS3 control nor is it doing anything you cant already do with a joypad. I fail to see the issue. Like a steering wheel you have the option to use it if you like or stick with the joypad if you like. I'd imagine the wheel offers better controls in racing games but I doubt that will encourage every user to use it because to be honest it simply isnt needed. As such I think it's a terrific idea. Why? because it gives users a choice. If it is found that using the mouse allows people to play better than with a joypad then even better I say! If using a mouse is funner and eliminates frustration for games then why shouldnt it be allowed? Why cripple users using a device when there has been a better device available for 30 years that is quite capable of performing the same task. And like I said elsewhere people are only considering online play. Hell I dont play games on Live and I would LOVE the mouse to use alone in single player games. What about RTS? Wouldnt a mouse help those games for many users? I think the advantages outweigh the negatives and if people want to there wouldnt be anything to stop them using a mouse themselves. If people continue to use this "it's an unfair advantage" excuse then I think I will have to keep questioning why they are holding back peoples ability to play the game to their fullest potential. Really it makes no sense to me. If the mouse works then why not allow it to be used. In the end I dont see it creating any more of an imbalance in the playing field as there already is when some users play racing games on a joypad while others are using the steering wheel, and MS (and most people) seem happy with that situation. Thats my oppinion anyway. I see what youre getting at. Lets do a 1on1 in a FPS, us two - I got the keyboard/mouse and you got the x360 joystick. Im 112% positive I will win - no matter how good you are with your joystick :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 I see what youre getting at. Lets do a 1on1 in a FPS, us two - I got the keyboard/mouse and you got the x360 joystick. Im 112% positive I will win - no matter how good you are with your joystick :p So be it, I dont see a problem with that. Like I said if a better control system exists then why not let it be utilized. All they have to do is code the game to limit how fast you can turn anyway. That would get rid of most of the "instant aiming" people associate with a mouse. It's the software that allows mice users to rotate as fast as you can in say quake, not the hardware. Also it's certainly not the be-and-all. Using a keyboard and mouse would mean you loose the analogue triggers for instance which could be pretty important in some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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