pepsihabbit Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Does anyone know if xbox live has a speed limit? would it do me any good to upgrade to 10meg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted November 26, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 26, 2006 Does anyone know if xbox live has a speed limit? would it do me any good to upgrade to 10meg? Honestly I am not really sure at all to tell you the truth, but I can tell you that when I upgraded my Optimum Online to a service they have called Boost, which is twice their normal service (now 30 down and 4 up), my whole experience on Live was a much, much better one. My downloads are all much faster, and where I used to have a lot of issues with joining games and lag, I have almost none anymore. I am not sure if it was just a happy coincidence or not, it very well could have been, but it seems to have made a difference on my end. I can actually tell you a story that also makes me think it does matter... Something happened on my providers end where my account was downgraded for no apparent reason, and I literally could tell the difference just by my download speeds on Live. I then went to my PC and did a speed test they provide, saw that it was nowhere near what is normally was, so I called them up. Sure enough as I said, it turns out I was set back to their normal online service for no apparent reason other than "well we did maintenance on our end so I guess for some reason you were switched back." I complained and was not charged for the extra plan that month. But literally I could tell something was not right and that it had happened just because of my download speeds on Live, so that says something right there... Couldn't you just try the upgrade for a month, and if does not seem to have done anything, just go back down to whatever you have now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted November 26, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 26, 2006 I think there's a point where bandwidth no longer matters and ping is everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AimLXJ Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I was just wondering, hows are the lag on XBL? Rare? Uncommon? Common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I was just wondering, hows are the lag on XBL? Rare? Uncommon? Common? At least for me, living in Mexico and playing with europeans and americans, none. Just the normal high ping, which is barely noticeable (but no lag at all). So it's a pretty enjoyable experience. :) EDIT: I got 2mb down and 256kb up (I never host any matches :p). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobier Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 played gears of wars online with no lag watsoever....and im located in middle east pretty pathetic net speed.... 50kb down and 15kb up both are not constant speed either..but as i said no lags (i never host either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionXN1 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Some people on UK ISP NTL think NTL caps Xbox connections while others apparently max out on 10mbit connections. Which ISP are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3nuo Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 i just got back into gaming on the 360 (just picked up Gears of War and Rainbow Six Vegas) as i've finally got some time to do so. When i last played Halo2, things were a little sluggish and i could tell i was lagging (i'd snipe first but would die because the opponent's shot registered before mine) when i was on a 768kbps connection. Now i have a 6meg connection and i'm the one who gets the kill in a shot draw. i don't think there's a speed cap based upon my own experience as well as some other's here (i work for my telecom, and we are all fiber, and using uncapped connections close to the CO or cabinet yield amazingly low lag) i think you'd enjoy a 10meg upgrade :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pc_Madness Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I was just wondering, hows are the lag on XBL? Rare? Uncommon? Common? In Australia.. tonnes..we always get dumped on American servers. *shivers @ bf2* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Lag is quite common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Depends on the game. GoW and GRAW are flawless for the most part but games like Saints Row and Smackdown are awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumahlin Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Depends on the game. GoW and GRAW are flawless for the most part but games like Saints Row and Smackdown are awful. Download speed of your connection only matters to a certain point. Even during games with the max amount of players the most information being trasmitted is less then 300Kb/sec which equates to around a 3mbps connection. The most important factor is your latency which is not 100% tied to the speed of your connection. Upping your speed does not decrease your latency except in cases where your latency was high due to connection saturation causing SYN/ACK packets to be delayed. Having a faster connection will ensure you don't have this issue, but many people won't have this issue anyway unless they have a slow connection or are running other services on their internet connection while play live, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 My ping from the UK to US is usually ~160 to normal web servers but PC Game servers such as CS:Source I can see as low as 25ms to as high as 60ms. I wonder what I would get on Live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Ive hosted 8 player games on GOW before and its usually pretty lagfree... i have Adsl with 6.5mbits downsteam 480kps upstream, Im in the UK and on BT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I think there's a point where bandwidth no longer matters and ping is everything... that's is correct; the other day I heard something about the QoS on XBL, this means that if at any moment your ping starts falling bellow 100 you're most likely to be kick out of the match to prevent you from lagging the whole session. :happy: :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Downstream bandwidth doesn't make as big of a difference as pure latency. The actual amount of bytes transfered in a multiplayer xbox live session is actually quite small. What does make a difference is if the bytes get to their target (and bytes come back to you) in the shortest amount of time possible. I would say <200ms would probably be optimal for most XBox Live games. Unfortunately, most games don't give the user any reference to their latency. I'm on a 1.5mbps DSL (with 640kbit upstream). When I'm playing Half Life 2 on my PC the best I ever get is about 150ms. Most of the time it is between 200-250ms (which is awful for that game). When I'm playing GoW most of the time I don't notice the latency. Occasionally I will notice that one of the other players animation is skipping around and that is an indication of lag. When you use one of the torrent chain guns in coop play you can get a sense for your lag by how long it takes your bullets to catch up with where you are targeting. For the most part, games with good live code are optimized for high latency (>100ms to today's standards). Some games that require split second response reflexes don't work very well on my connection on xbox live. Dead or alive 4, for instance. I've never had much fun playing that on live. Probably because I suck and get murdered ever game. But I still blame it on the lag. -shad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 that's is correct; the other day I heard something about the QoS on XBL, this means that if at any moment your ping starts falling bellow 100 you're most likely to be kick out of the match to prevent you from lagging the whole session. :happy: :yes: WHat are you on about. A ping below 100ms is a good thing because it means theres very little latancy :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 WHat are you on about. A ping below 100ms is a good thing because it means theres very little latancy :| I'm on crack... :laugh: :rofl: :p yeah, I didn't make it quite clear what I meant to say... too many things going at same the time here... sorry... :blush: :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Ive hosted 8 player games on GOW before and its usually pretty lagfree... i have Adsl with 6.5mbits downsteam 480kps upstream, Im in the UK and on BT Wow, that is good :) I'm on NTL myself so f your getting performance like that I can't wait. Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malbojia Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 You also have to take into account the routing in which the general net flows from a to b. Sometimes a bad node along the infrastructure can cause the latency to spike up for example 70 more ms at that certain junction and after wards go back down when B has been reached. Tracert is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Wow, that is good :) I'm on NTL myself so f your getting performance like that I can't wait. Thanks :) http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33603901 :( hopefully it will just turn out to be a problem at the OP's end but i thougt id link you to it anyway.. Hopefully you won't have any problems though. I played G.R.A.W on my dads 4mbit ntl connection with no problems before (couple months ago), before i moved out, didn't try hosting a game becuase he had UPNP off on his router so i couldnt map the required ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33603901 :( hopefully it will just turn out to be a problem at the OP's end but i thougt id link you to it anyway.. Hopefully you won't have any problems though. I played G.R.A.W on my dads 4mbit ntl connection with no problems before (couple months ago), before i moved out, didn't try hosting a game becuase he had UPNP off on his router so i couldnt map the required ports. I am actually a member on that site and have made several replies to that thread ;) Thanks :). As I see it - it isn't NTL but the routers people are using by the looks of things, maybe forgot to open ports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I am actually a member on that site and have made several replies to that thread ;) Thanks :). As I see it - it isn't NTL but the routers people are using by the looks of things, maybe forgot to open ports? probably ;) i like UPNP for that, i know some people say its a bit of a secuirty risk but its a lot more convient that mapping the ports manually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 probably ;) i like UPNP for that, i know some people say its a bit of a secuirty risk but its a lot more convient that mapping the ports manually Im talking to a friend of mine on NTL's 4mb service. He apparently gets full speed off of Live and can host the maximum on Rainbow Six Vegas with no issues. He has a direct connection to his Xbox and he said the only time it lags is in Japanese hosted games. I myself, am on NTL's 10mbit service. I have a router--the D-Link DGL-4300 GamerLounge (Expensive bit of kit but worth it) and have my configuration file saved with all the ports mapped and mac restrictions in place for all my computers/consoles. So UPNP isn't an issue for me, the router even has a built in database for games and Xbox Live is one of them so I'll just forward that and hope I get no problems. My router also has something called Gamefuel Technology, allowing other computers/consoles to download/use the internet but puts gaming packets as first priority :) So all-in-all I hope mines ok :) EDIT: Would like to mention, I recommend the router and has been given top marks by Team XBOX and many other websites. The website says it is Xbox Live Compatible also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Im talking to a friend of mine on NTL's 4mb service. He apparently gets full speed off of Live and can host the maximum on Rainbow Six Vegas with no issues. He has a direct connection to his Xbox and he said the only time it lags is in Japanese hosted games. I myself, am on NTL's 10mbit service. I have a router--the D-Link DGL-4300 GamerLounge (Expensive bit of kit but worth it) and have my configuration file saved with all the ports mapped and mac restrictions in place for all my computers/consoles. So UPNP isn't an issue for me, the router even has a built in database for games and Xbox Live is one of them so I'll just forward that and hope I get no problems. My router also has something called Gamefuel Technology, allowing other computers/consoles to download/use the internet but puts gaming packets as first priority :) So all-in-all I hope mines ok :) my DSL router can do QOS prioritising by ip/port or circuit < WHY?! but ive never figured out how to use it :rofl: I still haven't figured out why it has pvc0 - 8 when it only has one adsl modem in it, each one appears to be a seaperate set of dsl settings... who has 8 isp accounts on one dsl line :huh: I think your router is better ;) but who cares about speeds as long as its lagfree thats the important thing ;) My name on live is breafdragon you can add me if you want to, although im not the best player out there. When im winning its usally down to luck more than skill :rofl: I have: gears of war G.R.A.W chrome hounds cod3 (on order should have it in a few days) ive got a 99nights and oblivon as well but those aren't mutiplayer as far as i can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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