magik Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Oh noes... If you?re still one of the few persons that only have one single Xbox Live on their Xbox 360, you can stop reading here. If on the other hand you?re one of the many thousands that have registered a second or third account in another region using region lockout circumvention, you will be interested to know that Microsoft is planning to ban those accounts soon.Everyone knew how to do it and many people did. The Xboxic crew actually uses the ?trick? frequently to make sure our reporting is correct on when what Xbox Live Marketplace content became available in which region. No more, according to usually quite well informed German site Xbox Archiv (Babelfish translation follows): For approx. 2 weeks we know that Microsoft will delete in the near future Xbox Live Fake account to serve to procure itself e.g. from US the Marketplace of contents. Unfortunately we could not publish these information, since they originated from a confidential discussion. ScrewedSince many sources however already on it report, we can do you the information also admit now to give. What will happen?: As soon as Microsoft notices that US Xbox tries a Live account with a IP e.g. from Germany something of the market place to download, then this account will be closed/deleted in the future. That applies also to accounts as gold members was put on. This is justified with legal and copyright regulations for films of the content offerers or indicated titles etc.. There will still be updates for games, but new game content or video/demos of the foreign market place probably belong to the past.ast.[/indent] Apparently the sudden need to act upon this ?abuse? has risen with the release of the video marketplace and its inherent copyright implications. In short, when you log into Xbox Live from an IP address that does not correspond to the correct country for a given account, the account will get flagged for deletion or banning. To check where your IP is located you can go here for example, and read the WHOIS-information that is known for your current IP address. Although we haven?t received firm confirmation yet of any actual banning, we at Xboxic consider it safe to state that it?s only a matter of time before the hammer gets dropped on some foreign accounts: the video marketplace publishers will make sure of that to ensure their regional copyrights are not violated. Too bad for the legit users that are just curious about content not released in their home region for often dodgy reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadFerIt Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I can understand the whole issue concerning the Video marketplace.. But I think being able to log into a Japanese account and download their demo's is a great thing. And currently video marketplace isn't available in Canada OR Japan. So if they are going to ban people making U.S. accounts despite being from a foreign country.. I can understand that (and I'm guilty of it I hate to say, I wanted to download the film trailers lol). But hopefully they'll back off concerning other nationalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trong Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Good thing I just deleted my UK account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Why not just more tightly control the actual video service, like allow international accounts and only check the IP when the user does something that is region related. I mean what happens to people that travel and end up in a region outside of the one they began in. It's pretty unrealistic to expect people to create a new account each time they move somewhere and infact that would account for a fair number of the accounts where people are playing in regions other than where they live. Deleting the account doesnt really help anyway, you may accidently sting some legitimate users who have ended up outside their region. It seems much better to me to just block the purchase rather than deleting the account. Ideally they should have allowed firstly you to change region to begin with and secondly put a hold on region specific promotions. A prime example is the GoW emergence day promotion. Noone would have created dummy accounts could they have swapped region. Furthermore there were markets that got completly overlooked on emergence day. Australia on the 23rd celebrated its emergence day however we didnt get any downloads what so ever. They did do a free live weekend but thats little compensation to those people already on gold anyway. I see no reason why something such as the GOW emergence day couldnt be a global day. Its not like it coincided with the release day anyway. Some people such as those in Australia had absolutly no choice if they wanted to get the emergence day gear due to the fact MS completly overlooked these users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I can see why MS is doing this. I'm sure if there weren't IP complications, MS would just as much rather automatically assign you to a region based on your IP, but again, that could cause complications, hence the 'on your honor' deal with you picking your region. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 this is the first time I heard about this and it's quite stupid and unfounded if you ask me... :cry: :no: what happens if you live in the US and have family over Europe or any other place in the world and you go on vacation to visit them, your cousin has a 360 and you want to use your GT to play or to talk with a friend of yours, will your account get banned or deleted? I don't think MS will take the chance to screw its user base without the proper mechanism to determine which account is or not just based on IP checking... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 If they didnt restrict these things to 1 region then leave it months to bring it to other regions maybe people wouldnt have to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Removed. Responded to wrong post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Why not just more tightly control the actual video service, like allow international accounts and only check the IP when the user does something that is region related. that's is correct, Apple does this with the ITMS. I think if we are going to implement something like this will no include banning or deletion of GTs from the service... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I can see why MS is doing this. I'm sure if there weren't IP complications, MS would just as much rather automatically assign you to a region based on your IP, but again, that could cause complications, hence the 'on your honor' deal with you picking your region. Well if there are complications like you mentioned then shouldn't they NOT be banning or deleting accounts based on IP's as the article stated. If they cant get it right at sign up how will they get it right after sign up? But yes I am with Spartan. This doesnt sound right. Not only is it too risky but it doesnt seem to fit in with how MS goes about things. I know this is somewhat different but there could also have been a case for deleting all those live accounts people attained early. Hell some people now have @microsoft domains which traditionally have been reserved for employees if I recall correctly. In the end I see MS gaining very little by deleting the accounts. You'll find the people that do things such as create multiple accounts of different nationalities are often also some of your most loyal and close supporters. If people are going to go out of their way to download a GoW display pic they must have alot of faith in your product. If they need to authenticate users which I can understand do it based on IP as they attempt to download the movie (so that even if you have a false positive you needent disable the account, just prevent the transaction) or alternatively require users periodically supply some proof of ID that can be checked somehow, something like a credit card check. That certainly isnt ideal as its inconvinient for children who would have to get permission from someone to lend them the details nor does it attack the problem of people moving to other countries. It's an option but. In the end if they make the process too difficult or if they start "accidently" banning or deleting accounts then people are going to give up and in many cases just pirate the films. But yes ideally you shouldnt need ID, a simple IP scan on a transaction and every now again to keep the DRM happy should be ample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 What if you have multiple accounts on xbox.com in the same country? Me and My brother have one at the same address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dnast Subscriber² Posted November 27, 2006 Subscriber² Share Posted November 27, 2006 What if you have multiple accounts on xbox.com in the same country? Me and My brother have one at the same address. You shouldn't have any problems with that since I assume you're using your real address. If not, I'm in trouble, too. :| :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Lol, ya, real address. Just hope Microsoft don't search for accounts with the same address and if there's more then two results decides to ban them all :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dnast Subscriber² Posted November 27, 2006 Subscriber² Share Posted November 27, 2006 ^ Nah. If that was the case they wouldn't allow more than one Live account on a 360 in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neztea Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 So wait a minute.. I have 1 Xbox Live account and thats for Canada... But now I currently Live in Poland. So, does that account get deleted cause I logged into my canadian account from another country.. cause hopefully that is not the case and if they cancel it, does that mean i have to pay for another year for xbox live? .. cause that in itself seems retarded. :( Neztea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I'm on AOL - for some reason my IP shows me as being in the USA - while I' not, I'm in the UK. Now, If I were to make a UK live account if I had a 360, would it be deleted? (cos my IP shows me as in the USA). If so, thats just stupid - and I can see MS getting a lot of complaints if this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Its either deletion of fake accounts or no video marketplace at all :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 ^ Nah. If that was the case they wouldn't allow more than one Live account on a 360 in the first place. Phew, I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dave- Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 what happens to people who use proxy servers??? i have to all the time cos NTL's are shocking at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 what happens to people who use proxy servers??? i have to all the time cos NTL's are shocking at times I'm on NTL and I don't use a proxy, but ya, NTL's are pretty crap. It's only if you use a "False" country on your Gamertag/Windows Live ID I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phemo Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 what happens to people who use proxy servers??? i have to all the time cos NTL's are shocking at times That won't matter since Xbox Live uses TCP port 88 and TCP/UDP port 3074. I've not seen a proxy server that proxies those ports ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troist Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 That won't matter since Xbox Live uses TCP port 88 and TCP/UDP port 3074. I've not seen a proxy server that proxies those ports ... well, tor could do the TCP on both the ports... UDP implementation might be coming sometime in the future for it, but i'm not 100% sure on that. theres bound to be some kind of proxy that can use those ports though on both UDP and TCP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoTrunks Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 There are a few things that concern me about this. I, like many others, have created a Japanese account just for some of their exclusive demos and such. Two, I do use my Japanese live account as a secondary account when I play one of those games (just about every arcade game) that requires the second local player to have their own gamer profile. Three, (this is my most dreadful fear) will this affect my paid for, and legitimate gold account? That won't also get banned right? My console, itself, won't also get banned (like what happens to those modders)? If anything, they should just bar you from getting any content that costs points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 There are a few things that concern me about this. I, like many others, have created a Japanese account just for some of their exclusive demos and such. Two, I do use my Japanese live account as a secondary account when I play one of those games (just about every arcade game) that requires the second local player to have their own gamer profile. Three, (this is my most dreadful fear) will this affect my paid for, and legitimate gold account? That won't also get banned right? My console, itself, won't also get banned (like what happens to those modders)? If anything, they should just bar you from getting any content that costs points. as I said before this rumor smells like crap to me because this is not how we do business at Microsoft, we can't just go around XBL deleting accounts as we please. and to prove my point here's an extract from an interview with Microsoft's Xbox Live Arcade head Greg Canessa. An XBLA 'Imports' Section?Canessa revealed a possible solution for those niche Xbox Live Arcade gamers who want to check out foreign content: "We're evaluating the possibility of having an imports area". The concept is that, from a developer perspective, the costs of localizing a niche title from Japanese (or another foreign language) to English may be too high compared to the return on investment. But Canessa asked: "What if we could create a dedicated area where you can get some of that [non-localized, but still playable] content?" There isn't yet enough XBLA content of this kind to justify such a section in the West, of course, but it's certainly an interesting concept. Source: Gamasutra if we were in for such a move we wouldn't even consider the possibility to create an import section on XBLA, don't you think? :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGashX Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Thanks for clearing that up Spartan_X. *Drops the gun* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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