MadFerIt Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 What kind of TV's you guys suggest for this gen's systems? Depends on the size you're looking for. I would go with LCD personally. The black levels can be a bit poor (though the set I have handles it pretty well), but it has the sharpest image compared to Plasma/DLP. Personally I would go with Samsung HDTV's. They have the non-1080p 23"-32" models, as well as higher models that don't and do support 1080p (along with other great features). I just find they have the best image quality, not to mention excellent VGA. Why is VGA important? Well as you already know it's the only real way to get 1080p on the 360. Most sets don't support 1080p via Component, and even if it does it laws restrict the 360 from upscaling DVD's or 1080p with HD-DVD. Samsung LCD's have the best VGA quality because Microsoft uses them as the official kiosk TV model. They use them to show off their games, and also developers use them for testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 What kind of TV's you guys suggest for this gen's systems? My one is a perfect example, but also the ones .KICK has suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 i have the sony kds-60a2000, and its great. I read up on the avsforums and well its either a2000 or samsung hcl. The only downside is the a2000 only accepts 1080p through hdmi, so i am going to have to wait for the full use of the system. I recommend you check ou the avsforums though. They have a great topic on tvs for gaming systems and their response times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Samsung LCD's have the best VGA quality because Microsoft uses them as the official kiosk TV model. They use them to show off their games, and also developers use them for testing. Samsung DLPs are also excellent with the 360. Sharp image and great colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septimus Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 The Bravia should do 1080P over VGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 The Bravia should do 1080P over VGA. When I do that though, it says unsupported format or something, check PC Input. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I hope you didn't pay ?2800 for that TV because there are far better TV's for much cheaper, TV 1 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/47WLT66 TV 2 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/42WLT66 Both are excellent TV's and far cheaper than Sony and does 1080p via Component/VGA/HDMI iirc My mate has one and it is superb. Upto you, enjoy the TV, shame it dosent do 1080p via Component I love Toshiba used to have a HD 65" Fing cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadFerIt Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 When I do that though, it says unsupported format or something, check PC Input.:(( Hmm.. Weird. Have you checked to see if the TV supports 1920x1080 over VGA? I know some 1080p televisions with VGA input only support it via HDMI. But there are issues with the 360 and 1080p over VGA (although the latest bios update has improved it) so that might also be the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hmm.. Weird. Have you checked to see if the TV supports 1920x1080 over VGA? I know some 1080p televisions with VGA input only support it via HDMI. But there are issues with the 360 and 1080p over VGA (although the latest bios update has improved it) so that might also be the problem. I think my TV only supports it via HDMI. Anyone know if I could use, VGA-DVI convertor, add a DVI-HDMI convertor? Would that work? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I think my TV only supports it via HDMI. Anyone know if I could use, VGA-DVI convertor, add a DVI-HDMI convertor? Would that work? lol i asked that same question a few days ago, and well you can do it but it has a bad response and doesn't look the greatest. You are better off waiting for a true hdmi cable release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I hope you didn't pay ?2800 for that TV because there are far better TV's for much cheaper, TV 1 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/47WLT66 TV 2 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/42WLT66 Both are excellent TV's and far cheaper than Sony and does 1080p via Component/VGA/HDMI iirc My mate has one and it is superb. Upto you, enjoy the TV, shame it dosent do 1080p via Component According to that site - they both only do 1080i?:ss And the contrast ratio is half of the Bravias I love Toshiba used to have a HD 65" Fing cool. What happened to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Okay, was talking to my mate, your TV does 1080p via VGA and HDMi but not component. http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/prod...TOS-37WLT68.htm Thats the TV I was on about, its only ?1250, it does 1080p via HDMi and Component as well as featuring 100Hz screen. He also told me that Bravias were not as good as they said they were. Also told me that you should run in 720p anyway for the 360 at the moment because he said it has scaling issues. On a 40" screen you have to sit within 4ft to actually **see** 1080p, anything past 6ft and you'll start seeing 720p instead of 1080p. But, imo, if you can, get that Toshiba in that link, it is ?800 cheaper and does 1080p via HDMi as well as Component which is great for your 360 and future PS3. (Don't worry about it saying 1366x768, it is the native resolution but it does 1080p.) Couple pictures - 1080p via Component: http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piczb3.jpg Gears : http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3071/gears1rw8.jpg Oh and a HDMI cable for the 360 isnt expected for a while, probably not one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well, 1080i is alright I guess at the moment. I will wait for a HDMI cable, but I won't hold my breathe. I will be hooking my PS3 up to it anyway, so I should get fully 1080p Bravia goodness then lol. I hope :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 According to that site - they both only do 1080i? :s And the contrast ratio is half of the Bravias What happened to it? Well I was renting it and i was going to buy it but my brother backed out so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well, 1080i is alright I guess at the moment. I will wait for a HDMI cable, but I won't hold my breathe. I will be hooking my PS3 up to it anyway, so I should get fully 1080p Bravia goodness then lol. I hope:pp You'll be missing on 1080p for the 360 for a while(or ever!!) then but I hope it goes well for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stezo2k Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 1080p via Component: http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piczb3.jpg Gears : http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3071/gears1rw8.jpg that image quality looks fantastic mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzdawg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I hope you didn't pay ?2800 for that TV because there are far better TV's for much cheaper, TV 1 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/47WLT66 TV 2 - http://www.gottatoshiba.com/catalog/lcdplasma/regza/42WLT66 Both are excellent TV's and far cheaper than Sony and does 1080p via Component/VGA/HDMI iirc My mate has one and it is superb. Upto you, enjoy the TV, shame it dosent do 1080p via Component I wouldn't listen to this guy too much. Your bravia ****es all over both of the tv's he listed... not too mention the tvs he listed only do 1080i... I have yet to see a huge difference in gaming between 1080i and 1080p I have seen in GOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I wouldn't listen to this guy too much. Your bravia ****es all over both of the tv's he listed... not too mention the tvs he listed only do 1080i... I have yet to see a huge difference in gaming between 1080i and 1080p I have seen in GOW Yeah wanna see my second post, do you not ever read the whole thread, http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/prod...TOS-37WLT68.htm That TV is better than the Bravia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stezo2k Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I wouldn't listen to this guy too much. Your bravia ****es all over both of the tv's he listed... not too mention the tvs he listed only do 1080i... I have yet to see a huge difference in gaming between 1080i and 1080p I have seen in GOW Not to mention the samsungs, the display panels are the same ones used in the bravias. Works out better because they're cheaper TVs ;) The Toshibas are quite impressive though from what i've seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzdawg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yeah wanna see my second post, do you not ever read the whole thread, http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/prod...TOS-37WLT68.htm That TV is better than the Bravia i read the whole thread... but you posted 3 links to 3 inferior TV's so i didnt think it mattered which post i quoted from .......pulled from the site YOU POSTED "Ctv Lcd 37" 16:9 Freeview 1080i" and its not better... here are the specs... in what area do you see better? contrast ratio is DOUBLE... you are out of your mind if you believe that tv is better your crap - # 37" LCD TV # HD Ready # Integrated Freeview receiver # 1366x768 Pixel resolution # 3500:1 contrast ratio # 500cd/m2 brightness # Progressive Scan # Fastext # EPG # NICAM stereo sound # 20 Watts RMS output # NTSC Video playback # 3 HDMI connections # 2 SCART sockets (1 RGB) # Side AV input # PC input # Rear audio out # Optical audio out # Sub woofer outpu Bravia- * Full HD 1920x1080 native LCD panel resolution * BRAVIA Engine PRO™ with DRC-MFv2.5 digital video processing * 7000:1 dynamic contrast ratio1 * 8ms panel response time * Wide Color Gamut (WCG-CCFL) backlight * 3 HDMI™ (1080p) inputs2 * High gloss piano black color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dnast Subscriber² Posted December 5, 2006 Subscriber² Share Posted December 5, 2006 But, imo, if you can, get that Toshiba in that link, it is ?800 cheaper and does 1080p via HDMi as well as Component which is great for your 360 and future PS3. (Don't worry about it saying 1366x768, it is the native resolution but it does 1080p.) Umm...the TV only has 1366x768 pixels. Even if it does accept a 1080p signal, it's not displaying a 1920x1080 picture. You'd be better off using 720p, or better yet, the closest VGA resolution with those TVs. Besides, I believe he has already bought his Bravia. Why poop on his parade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Umm...the TV only has 1366x768 pixels. Even if it does accept a 1080p signal, it's not displaying a 1920x1080 picture. You'd be better off using 720p, or better yet, the closest VGA resolution with those TVs. Besides, I believe he has already bought his Bravia. Why poop on his parade? haha yea, I was beginning to not look at my Bravia with the same love I did. :( :p lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzdawg Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 haha yea, I was beginning to not look at my Bravia with the same love I did.:((:pp lol thats why i said not to listen to him... he is prob a sony hater... and he also prob over paid for his inferior toshiba... you def have one of the nicest lcds on the market... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 I think my TV only supports it via HDMI. Anyone know if I could use, VGA-DVI convertor, add a DVI-HDMI convertor? Would that work? lol No, that won't work unfortunately. DVI > VGA works if it's a DVI-I port, as it is capable of sending out both an analogue and a digital signal. The 360 only outputs an analogue signal, which would have to be converted to digital to work via HDMI. (these adapters just change the connector, not the signal type) Well, 1080i is alright I guess at the moment. I will wait for a HDMI cable, but I won't hold my breathe. I will be hooking my PS3 up to it anyway, so I should get fully 1080p Bravia goodness then lol. I hop:p:p 1080i is not "alright" - get that set to 720p pronto. Interlaced signals should be avoided for gaming at all costs. The Xbox 360 renders all its games at 1280x720 internally (with a couple of exceptions that are lower) so turning up the resolution just means that you're using the Xbox's scaler... which is crap. You really want to be running in 720p with a 360, or 1280x720 if you're using VGA. The BRAVIA W series should work in 1080p over VGA, the European X series does not. Even if they did though, it should look better set to 720p unless the scaler is terrible. i read the whole thread... but you posted 3 links to 3 inferior TV's so i didnt think it mattered which post i quoted from .......pulled from the site YOU POSTED "Ctv Lcd 37" 16:9 Freeview 1080i" and its not better... here are the specs... in what area do you see better? contrast ratio is DOUBLE... you are out of your mind if you believe that tv is better your crap You really should see them in person then - specs mean virtually nothing these days - they're all inflated by everyone to different degrees. (Samsung are some of the worst offenders) I've bought 10 or so displays in the last year (LCD, Plasma, DLP) including two different BRAVIAs (wantedi> to like them) and the Toshiba WLT68 is the only one that I've been happy with the image quality, and it's the one that's staying. (those are my pics that I posted on another forum) I basically had no budget, I've bought TVs at ?2600 (and was considering the new Fujitsu due in January at ?3000 - which I am sure will be better than the Tosh, but I'd rather not pay that much) and nothing else currently out there comes close in my opinion. Yes, it has a lower native resolution - what does that mean for the end user? Well at 40" or so, you have to be sitting about 4-5ft from the TV to actually be able to see all the detail in a 1080p signal. Once you get back another foot or two, you're not really seeing any more detail than 720p, and from my experience (two of the displays I had were 1080p) that's uncomfortably close - at that size I wouldn't want to be sitting any closer than 7ft or thereabouts. So what this actually means is that, assuming you're sitting 6ft or more away, with a 720p source like the 360 you're actually getting a worse image on the 1080p BRAVIAs, as they have to scale 720p (all you can physically see) to 1080p. The scaling is only reason 1080p looks better than 720p at those distances on them - it is not because 1080p actually looks better at that distance, it's just because it's the set's native resolution - a native 720p set would look better at the same distance with anything other than a 1080p source, in which case it would lthe same. The BRAVIAs are over-processed out of the box, and once you disable what you can they have the softest HD image I've seen yet, and there is still some sharpness enhancement and noise reduction going on. The Toshibas are incredibly sharp, but naturally sharp, not due to additional processing. Colour reproduction is the best I've seen yet - the wide colour gamut technology on the BRAVIAs allows for bright colours, but reproduction is not all that natural, and there are issues with displaying certain colours (reds often have a pink tone to them for example) which is not the case here. The colour gamut is almost perfectly matched to PAL / sRGB. (UK broadcast TV and Computers/Videogames) (sRGB is coloured, the WLT68's gamut is in wireframe. The "grid" inside doesn't match up as it was calibrated to a perceptually linear gamma, rather than the standard 2.2) There are also colour decoder adjustments for RGB, CMY which I've not seen on any other display, and it makes a nice improvement to the image when set up correctly. (Sony sets usually have a red push that is unavoidable) The WLT68s have dual-pass Faroudja DCDi deinterlacing, which results in a very smooth image, and I've yet to see it detect the wrong cadence. There's some excellent scaling going on too. It's head and shoulders above the rest of the LCDs I've seen with lower resolution signals. There's also 100/120Hz technology built into it - I believe it's the first LCD to have this, and it makes a big difference to the smoothness of motion compared to other sets, and virtually eliminates the slight "loss of focus" you normally get with motion on LCDs. Vastly superior to Philips' Digital Natural Motion and Sharp's TruD. (I don't belive any other sets out there have processing like this - the BRAVIAs certainly don't) Is it perfect? No, of course not. Sony has better viewing angles (the best I've seen on LCD TVs so far) and black levels are better in the dark too. That said, Sharp's latest LCDs with 2000:1 static panels have easily the best blacks I've seenany flat-panel display, way beyond anything else - they're even better than Plasmas. The rest of the image quality is crap though, and you couldn't pay me to keep one. (that's two Sharps I've had now too) There's much more to an image than contrast ratios. If black levels and viewing angles matter over anything else to you, then the BRAVIA is the LCD to get - it would certainly be my second choice behind the Tosh. (And it's good you didn't go wasting money on the X series, as it has a worse panel than W, yet the majority of the processing is the same. It lacks DRC, but that's a good thing) Is the BRAVIA a bad LFar from it, but it's not the best, even if they are some of the most expensive. At least Sony know what they're doing with televisions though, some displays out there are atrociously bad, especially for the prices they charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 1080i is not "alright" - get that set to 720p pronto. Interlaced signals should be avoided for gaming at all costs. The Xbox 360 renders all its games at 1280x720 internally (with a couple of exceptions that are lower) so turning up the resolution just means that you're using the Xbox's scaler... which is crap. You really want to be running in 720p with a 360, or 1280x720 if you're using VGA. Actually, most games now support native 1080i output. No scaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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