Ayepecks Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 What's up with the "rules"? I don't know, magik, ask yourself that. You're the one practically saying people aren't allowed to have any negative thoughts about the game because it's pre-alpha, yet you state the amazing potential of the game (and it's pre-alpha). Saying they showed very little to no A.I. is bull crap and you know it. They showed the Brutes working together, attacking Master Chief, and they showed the grenades part of it. They showed and talked about the A.I. plenty enough, and you know what's amazing? Even what they talked about didn't impress me! The A.I. they talked about isn't anything spectacular. Heck, I would argue that the A.I. they talked about doesn't even rival F.E.A.R.'s A.I. And please don't play the injured bird, magik. You're the one who accused me of trolling -- all I did was state that if I'm trolling, you're doing the same (and I did back it up). And you didn't just disagree. Look at your post directly above mine. You said I wasn't allowed to be critical of the game. That, my friend, is not only disagreeing, that's being a prick and implying others don't have the right to have opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 :whistle: So um, anyone have a download link for this thing that isn't a site categorized as gaming, streaming media, Bandwidth PG, or File Shareware and DL??? The only one I have been able to get to is pixelrage.ro and the download keeps timing out. Looking for preferably a smaller version as well to keep the dl short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 What's up with the "rules"? I don't know, magik, ask yourself that. You're the one practically saying people aren't allowed to have any negative thoughts about the game because it's pre-alpha, yet you state the amazing potential of the game (and it's pre-alpha).Show me where I said that.Saying they showed very little to no A.I. is bull crap and you know it. They showed the Brutes working together, attacking Master Chief, and they showed the grenades part of it. They showed and talked about the A.I. plenty enough, and you know what's amazing? Even what they talked about didn't impress me! The A.I. they talked about isn't anything spectacular. Heck, I would argue that the A.I. they talked about doesn't even rival F.E.A.R.'s A.I.So you think those 5 second snippets that they showed of a couple brutes doing the same thing is representative of AI? Especially in the pre-alpha stage? You're a joke.And please don't play the injured bird, magik. You're the one who accused me of trolling -- all I did was state that if I'm trolling, you're doing the same (and I did back it up). And you didn't just disagree. Look at your post directly above mine. You said I wasn't allowed to be critical of the game. That, my friend, is not only disagreeing, that's being a prick and implying others don't have the right to have opinions. No, you didn't back it up. You said I trolled in the Sony forums yet you didn't show me anywhere where I did. And no, I never said you (or anyone) wasn't allowed to be critical of the game. Stop lying dude, it's borderline disgusting. :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 :whistle: So um, anyone have a download link for this thing that isn't a site categorized as gaming, streaming media, Bandwidth PG, or File Shareware and DL??? The only one I have been able to get to is pixelrage.ro and the download keeps timing out. Looking for preferably a smaller version as well to keep the dl short. Go to the souce: BUNGIE! They have both WMP and Quicktime formats available in different sizes. Look for the news story on the front page that says "Et Tu Brute?!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Go to the souce: BUNGIE! They have both WMP and Quicktime formats available in different sizes. Look for the news story on the front page that says "Et Tu Brute?!". Yeah except their website is META tagged as Games and therefore blocked by websense. Hence why I asked for a site that is not so I might be able to dl and watch the full thing. Sites I have tried: Bungie.net gametrailers.com xboxyde.com IGN Gamespot Youtube etc. All META tagged as Games, Bandwidth PG, and/or Freeware/Shareware DL. Oh and for those might be wanting to suggest a proxy circumventor to me. Most are blocked and those that are not would show up to easily on the reports as the file is rather large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_I am Reptar Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Yeah except their website is META tagged as Games and therefore blocked by websense. Hence why I asked for a site that is not so I might be able to dl and watch the full thing. Sites I have tried: Bungie.net gametrailers.com xboxyde.com IGN Gamespot Youtube etc. All META tagged as Games, Bandwidth PG, and/or Freeware/Shareware DL. Oh and for those might be wanting to suggest a proxy circumventor to me. Most are blocked and those that are not would show up to easily on the reports as the file is rather large. Get Firefox portable, load a proxy. I do that at school and I get on everything. If you need a proxy, pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Get Firefox portable, load a proxy. I do that at school and I get on everything. If you need a proxy, pm me. To make it short and sweet, not happening. Firefox-Not allowed Firefox Portable on a thumbdrive- Dont have one, thumbdrives not allowed Proxy Circumventor- Bandwidth still gets logged and will get flagged. Proxy gets banned, I lost account. Good idea just not one for my situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corris Veteran Posted December 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted December 23, 2006 It was ok, I'm not a big halo fan, I personally didn't get what all the hype was all about, but I still cant wait for it to come out. What people aren't really getting is that it was short documentary on the brutes, it was never meant to show off game play or really anything that important, of course everyone had to get all excited beforehand and were disappointed because of this. In my opinion I don't think they should of shown anything at all, not unless they had something that could of attended to people who wanted to see something more exciting, otherwise you get what we have hear, a lot of people who love to moaned about something that it wasn't meant to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 (edited) Mongoose, I'll upload the smallest version onto my personal server and pm you the link later tonight. gee where do you live, China? Edited December 24, 2006 by GOJI_GKing2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Actually no. If youll look at the info on the side, itll show you Im in Iraq. I really dont have internet outside of work (and they block everything) and I dont leave for about another month or two. I have watched part of it (got to the part where the elite dual-wielding swords kills the brute before the download keeps timing out), Id just like to finish it. What can I say Iraq internet sucks. They have no real fiber backbone such as the U.S. & other countries and everything is done through satellite so its relatively slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Show me where I said that. So you think those 5 second snippets that they showed of a couple brutes doing the same thing is representative of AI? Especially in the pre-alpha stage? You're a joke. No, you didn't back it up. You said I trolled in the Sony forums yet you didn't show me anywhere where I did. And no, I never said you (or anyone) wasn't allowed to be critical of the game. Stop lying dude, it's borderline disgusting. :no: magik, this little "game" of your's is getting old. If you disagree with me, do so. Don't be a dick about it and start calling me a liar and insulting me. Have more respect than to stoop to that level. In every single thread I've got in a debate with you that's what it always winds up being -- you resorting to insults to attempt to get your point across. It's not funny, magik, and it's not cute. I never said you "said" it outright. I said you "practically said that." Such as the following: When the vidoc about graphics/engine/AI comes along, then you have a right to criticize. As of now, however, it just seems to me that you're just trolling. Still wondering where I'm getting the whole "right" argument from? It's from you, pal :whistle: And next time you call me a liar, make sure you re-read your own posts. Secondly, if you want to get in a little hissy fit about me calling you a troll, DON'T CALL ME ONE TO BEGIN WITH. You can't live in your own little perfect world where you're allowed to throw rocks out of a glass house and not expecting some to come right back and break it. If you really want me to, I'm sure I can search your posts in the Sony section to find instances of you "trolling." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 magik, this little "game" of your's is getting old. If you disagree with me, do so. Don't be a dick about it and start calling me a liar and insulting me. Have more respect than to stoop to that level. In every single thread I've got in a debate with you that's what it always winds up being -- you resorting to insults to attempt to get your point across. It's not funny, magik, and it's not cute. I never said you "said" it outright. I said you "practically said that." Such as the following: Still wondering where I'm getting the whole "right" argument from? It's from you, pal :whistle: And next time you call me a liar, make sure you re-read your own posts. Secondly, if you want to get in a little hissy fit about me calling you a troll, DON'T CALL ME ONE TO BEGIN WITH. You can't live in your own little perfect world where you're allowed to throw rocks out of a glass house and not expecting some to come right back and break it. If you really want me to, I'm sure I can search your posts in the Sony section to find instances of you "trolling." I didn't outright call you a troll. I said that it seems to me that you are trolling. Now, if you want to be mature about a debate, how about you heed some of your own advice and not call others dumb as you have: magik, you're basically saying everyone is only allowed to be excited about what the video showed off, and not concerned. That's just dumb. First of all, you put words in my mouth/implied things for me that I had no intention of implying. Then you resorted to insults yourself. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way. I'm just not a big fan of hypocrites, that's all. :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 magik, come on man. I said "that's just dumb." In no way, shape, or form did I call you dumb or anything remotely like that. I said not allowing others to be concerned and have an opinion is dumb. You're really starting to stretch things here. How about you get back on the topic of what we were discussing instead of continuing in personal vendetta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 magik, come on man. I said "that's just dumb." In no way, shape, or form did I call you dumb or anything remotely like that. I said not allowing others to be concerned and have an opinion is dumb. You're really starting to stretch things here. How about you get back on the topic of what we were discussing instead of continuing in personal vendetta? My point was it doesn't make sense to base any sort of concern about what was shown in this vidoc. What was shown was meant simply to introduce the Brutes as a developed and deeper character than that which was found in Halo 2. Nothing else. I quote Bungie: We were not so na?ve as to think that it wouldn’t cause a calamity on the interwebs, since after all, the tubes that supply the interwebs are lubricated by rage. So common complaints we saw were that the graphics didn’t look finished. The graphics that we said were unfinished. But we saw that coming, it’s one of the things we have to absorb in order to provide you guys with interesting stuff to look at. And that’s the point. We’re showing the game in development, like an X-Ray of a baby bird. Right now, it’s going to look at times like a fluid-encased, bug eyed reptile. But when it’s born, in 2007, don’t sweat it, it will have grown into a shimmering peacock, tail fanned and feathers gleaming. You’ll have to take our word for it. There’s no spin, or damage control and we’re absolutely unapologetic. Halo 3 is in development and when we’re ready to show you polished graphics, we’ll do that in our own good time. But we’re still going to continue to bring you peeks behind the curtain. The other main concern voiced was about who you will and won’t fight against in Halo 3. We wanted to debut the Brutes, because they are going to be a ferociously important adversary in Halo 3, and more importantly, their behavior, their abilities and their differing roles are going to make them easily the equal of Elites, in terms of how they operate on the battlefield. So we’re paving the way. But they aren’t going to be fighting you alone. We won’t give too much away, but believe us, the Brutes and Brute packs will have plenty of allies. Think about it man. It really doesn't make sense to be concerned about things you've seen from the game when it's still so early in development (from what has been released, that is). A valid concern would be something like "well, if it's so early in development, aren't they running out of time? will the game be rushed?" A concern like that definitely makes sense. But of course, you'll insist on what you think and we'll never get anywhere. I say we postpone this debate for yet another derailed thread.:rolleyes::;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 How is it not a valid concern to be worried about the A.I. when it's something they obviously feel they can discuss at a good length? Can you deny that they at least talked about the A.I. for a great length? To me, all of their "improvements" in A.I. are not exciting and offer nothing new. These "improvements" aren't even good by last-generation standards, if you want my honest opinion. F.E.A.R. has better A.I. than the A.I. the guys at Bungie are talking abut. The quote you posted has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing. The concerns listed in that quote were of graphics -- which I have not said a thing about from this video other than to reiterate this claim -- and the different kinds of enemies, which I also have said nothing about. I'm really getting tired of you acting like your opinion is superior in some way, magik. I don't care that you have a differing opinion than me, but can you at least attempt not to be a jerk when I make statements? I'm allowed to have my opinions on the game that are negative, just as you are allowed to have your opinions on the game that are positive. It's in development, and even when it's released I can have my own opinion if I want. Of course I'm going to insist on what I think, magik. It's called an opinion. Why would I just start thinking willy-nilly that I agree with you? It wouldn't make any sense, because, to me, this is something to be concerned about it. First it was me merely making the statement that the graphics wouldn't look as good as the trailer (nevermind that I repeated over and over that they'd still look good), now I'm not allowed to even be concerned about what Bungie has planned for the A.I.? Please, magik, get over yourself. Others have opinions too, and my opinions are just as valid as your opinions. But, yes, magik, let's save it for another topic where you resort to childish insults and accuse me of trolling, being a hypocrite (now that's a riot, coming from you!), and not having a "right" to be critical. I can't wait! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 You need to relax. Merry Christmas, Ayepecks. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 So I couldnt help but notice in the viddoc that the needler still looks like the same old weapon. I wonder how they are going to make in non-dual wieldable, and balance it out. Personally, I thought the Halo 2 ones were alright, they just needed a little faster velocity or a little better tracking capability. I love getting two of them and just messing around. Almost got a quadruple kill with them once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Imagine the needler from the E3 2004 demo.... that thing was evil... EVIL! The needles shot fast, precise and exploded on contact. I'm going to assume its going to be a slightly nerf'd version of that. Bungie claimed it was way to powerful so thats why we got the really weak variant in H2. Personally I would LOVE to see the secondary needler explosions back in their full glory from Halo 1, those things rocked and helped take down anyone else within the victims radius :yes: *imagines* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Needles need lovin too. Id like to see the firing rate of the plasma pistol from h1 return too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted December 25, 2006 Author Veteran Share Posted December 25, 2006 Everyone knows the BR owns other weapons. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Needles need lovin too. Id like to see the firing rate of the plasma pistol from h1 return too. Personally, and this is just me... I want all plasma weapons to revert to the H1 variants; yes the stun MUST return. That was the tradeoff for the slow fire; it was a bit more difficult to pop back at the attacker, and it was a brilliant idea on Bungie's idea until they took it away. Now all plasma weapons are... dull? Everyone knows the BR owns other weapons. To make everyone mad, Bungie should just include the H1 Fuel Rod cannon that actually arches, has massive splash damage and owns all like in Halo PC. I can see so many people piz'd for its inclusion :) Heck, splash damage just needs to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 So I couldnt help but notice in the viddoc that the needler still looks like the same old weapon. I wonder how they are going to make in non-dual wieldable, and balance it out. Personally, I thought the Halo 2 ones were alright, they just needed a little faster velocity or a little better tracking capability. I love getting two of them and just messing around. Almost got a quadruple kill with them once. I thought the needler that was shown was just footage from Halo 2 to show the contrast from Halo 3? I thought the needler in Halo 3 is what that captain brute was using, maybe? I don't know, I may have missed it, when (time-wise in the video) did you see the new needler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetham Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 I thought the needler that was shown was just footage from Halo 2 to show the contrast from Halo 3? I thought the needler in Halo 3 is what that captain brute was using, maybe? I don't know, I may have missed it, when (time-wise in the video) did you see the new needler? About 4:38 on the runtime is when you see a grunt wielding a single needler. Is what you are thinking about the brute chieftain around 5:17? To me that weapon looks like the mobile covenant turret that you would occasinally see a grunt toting around and sometimes an elite in h2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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