werejag Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 so i gather from most posts here: 1. sex is dirty 2. sex is evil 3. sex is immoral 4. only save it for that certain someone * this sums up 99.9 percent of what is wrong with most of our culture sex is life, life is sex without sex we would not be here! the highest divorce rate is among people that profess such things like abstanance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiEMOS Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 sex is life, life is sex without sex we would not be here! the highest divorce rate is among people that profess such things like abstanance. subject finished. lol there are the wise words. basicaly... :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickedkitten Veteran Posted December 4, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 4, 2002 This topic is never going to get anywhere if you keep bringing procreation into it. Do you actually think that cavemen bothered with getting married before they had kids? If sex is intended for procreation inside of marriage then married people that use condoms are going to hell. Well actually thats true if you're Catholic but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 without sex we would not be here! the highest divorce rate is among people that profess such things like abstanance. Most of us are here because of sex within marriage. You have any proof to back your divorce statement up? As in the words of a poster: bullpoop There are also studies that say people that pray live longer, have more energy, and are more healthy than those people who don't pray. I mean you could find a study that says if you own a rat that has been used to test Viagra, you will be better in bed just by looking at the rat for 5 minutes a day. "A study" can prove anything. Obviously we have our own opinions about things, and when something approaches religious implications, it gets amplified 10 fold. And I don't really think any of us will convince another of our opinion here on this board. My opinions are based on Biblical law. And to discuss it properly, we would have to start back further and discuss precedences. IE, WK's question about caveman. I can argue against her point very easily, but it involves Biblical law. But to argue that specific Biblical law, we would end up discussing the Bible and it's backgrounds, etc etc etc. To those of you who kept from insulting others, but stated your opinion calmly, well done. I thought this thread may get out of hand. To the couple unrulys that were here earlier, I hope in the future you can discuss a topic a little more maturely. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphere Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 bleep! bleep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickedkitten Veteran Posted December 4, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 4, 2002 without sex we would not be here! the highest divorce rate is among people that profess such things like abstanance. Most of us are here because of sex within marriage. You have any proof to back your divorce statement up? As in the words of a poster: bullpoop There are also studies that say people that pray live longer, have more energy, and are more healthy than those people who don't pray. I mean you could find a study that says if you own a rat that has been used to test Viagra, you will be better in bed just by looking at the rat for 5 minutes a day. "A study" can prove anything. Obviously we have our own opinions about things, and when something approaches religious implications, it gets amplified 10 fold. And I don't really think any of us will convince another of our opinion here on this board. My opinions are based on Biblical law. And to discuss it properly, we would have to start back further and discuss precedences. IE, WK's question about caveman. I can argue against her point very easily, but it involves Biblical law. But to argue that specific Biblical law, we would end up discussing the Bible and it's backgrounds, etc etc etc. To those of you who kept from insulting others, but stated your opinion calmly, well done. I thought this thread may get out of hand. To the couple unrulys that were here earlier, I hope in the future you can discuss a topic a little more maturely. :yes: Biblical Law hmm. Oh right you mean the one that says if you do anything outside of the 10 commandments you are going to hell. Haha not so my good man for see I'm a Catholic. All I have to do is go to confession every week and make sure I get the last rites before I die. Or maybe you meant Muslim law which states that women that go outside with bare heads or even show an inch of leg should be stoned to death. There's no way you can rationally argue based on biblical law since everyones bible is different and is the right bible according to the religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted December 4, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 4, 2002 wooo!!! i'm "living in sin" with my girlfriend hahahah /me loves every minute of it :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3onheart Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I lost my virginity a year ago and so did my g/f, which is the same i have now. I don't think you need to wait 'till marriage. I think you need to wait until you find that special person and that's what both me and my g/f did. We love each other sooooooooooooooooooooo much :blush: :wub: :wub: :wub: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I think the decision is up to the individual person(s) and their decision shouldn't be influenced by what society or religion says is the "norm" or is "correct". Mind you I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. But if you go through life letting other people make decisions for you and influence every decision you make, you're not really living IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted December 4, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 4, 2002 Someone on the 2nd page stated that waiting makes a person weaker because he has less a chance of spreading his genes. This is not the stone age and we are not cavemen. It's called will power. There have been many times where me and my g/f have had to stop ourselves because we knew where htings were heading. I'm truely proud I'm a virgin and maybe my wedding night will be a little awkward for us both, but it will be special none the less. I like to know that I have enough strength to control my most primitive urges. If we can't control those urges, that's only one less thing that separates us from the animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Biblical Law hmm. Oh right you mean the one that says if you do anything outside of the 10 commandments you are going to hell. Haha not so my good man for see I'm a Catholic. All I have to do is go to confession every week and make sure I get the last rites before I die.Or maybe you meant Muslim law which states that women that go outside with bare heads or even show an inch of leg should be stoned to death. There's no way you can rationally argue based on biblical law since everyones bible is different and is the right bible according to the religion. No where in Biblical law does it say if you do anything outside the 10 commandments, you are going to hell. What verse is that again that backs up your claim? If you are Catholic, you would know what you have to do to not go to hell. And it involves much more than confession and last rites. See all Christian sects require the acceptance of God's salvation gift (His son) to go to heaven. where they differ is what else you have to do. Imo, you don't have to do anything else to be saved. Catholics believe that you must accept Christ AND do works to be saved. Biblical law is not Muslim law. You should know that. Everyone's bible is NOT different. There is one bible (well two if you count the Catholic bible). People either interpret the bible correctly or incorrectly. Those that interpret it incorrectly are the ones that take the individual verse and quote it as fact. The ones that correctly interpret the bible are those that take the verse and the context it was given. You can argue based on biblical law. It is very easily determined who is right and wrong, based on the above paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Someone on the 2nd page stated that waiting makes a person weaker because he has less a chance of spreading his genes. This is not the stone age and we are not cavemen. It's called will power. There have been many times where me and my g/f have had to stop ourselves because we knew where htings were heading. I'm truely proud I'm a virgin and maybe my wedding night will be a little awkward for us both, but it will be special none the less. I like to know that I have enough strength to control my most primitive urges. If we can't control those urges, that's only one less thing that separates us from the animals. But, on the other hand. For some people that are in a loving and responsible relationship, it may be the right time for them to give in to those urges. This discussion could go on for ages but I still stand by my point that it depends on the individuals involved and nobody, and no book can tell them what they should or should not do. They have to make that decision on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Biblical Law hmm. Oh right you mean the one that says if you do anything outside of the 10 commandments you are going to hell. Haha not so my good man for see I'm a Catholic. All I have to do is go to confession every week and make sure I get the last rites before I die.Or maybe you meant Muslim law which states that women that go outside with bare heads or even show an inch of leg should be stoned to death. There's no way you can rationally argue based on biblical law since everyones bible is different and is the right bible according to the religion. No where in Biblical law does it say if you do anything outside the 10 commandments, you are going to hell. What verse is that again that backs up your claim? If you are Catholic, you would know what you have to do to not go to hell. And it involves much more than confession and last rites. See all Christian sects require the acceptance of God's salvation gift (His son) to go to heaven. where they differ is what else you have to do. Imo, you don't have to do anything else to be saved. Catholics believe that you must accept Christ AND do works to be saved. Biblical law is not Muslim law. You should know that. Everyone's bible is NOT different. There is one bible (well two if you count the Catholic bible). People either interpret the bible correctly or incorrectly. Those that interpret it incorrectly are the ones that take the individual verse and quote it as fact. The ones that correctly interpret the bible are those that take the verse and the context it was given. You can argue based on biblical law. It is very easily determined who is right and wrong, based on the above paragraph. What about those that don't follow the bible? Are they automatically wrong? Personally, I don't follow the bible and I haven't found any point during my life where I needed to refer to it. I do believe that there is some higher power, but I believe that each person must find that on their own. I don't like being told how to live my life by a book. I think that I can find any guidance I need from more valuable resources such as my mother, grandparents, friends and relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Biblical Law hmm. Oh right you mean the one that says if you do anything outside of the 10 commandments you are going to hell. Haha not so my good man for see I'm a Catholic. All I have to do is go to confession every week and make sure I get the last rites before I die.Or maybe you meant Muslim law which states that women that go outside with bare heads or even show an inch of leg should be stoned to death. There's no way you can rationally argue based on biblical law since everyones bible is different and is the right bible according to the religion. No where in Biblical law does it say if you do anything outside the 10 commandments, you are going to hell. What verse is that again that backs up your claim? If you are Catholic, you would know what you have to do to not go to hell. And it involves much more than confession and last rites. See all Christian sects require the acceptance of God's salvation gift (His son) to go to heaven. where they differ is what else you have to do. Imo, you don't have to do anything else to be saved. Catholics believe that you must accept Christ AND do works to be saved. Biblical law is not Muslim law. You should know that. Everyone's bible is NOT different. There is one bible (well two if you count the Catholic bible). People either interpret the bible correctly or incorrectly. Those that interpret it incorrectly are the ones that take the individual verse and quote it as fact. The ones that correctly interpret the bible are those that take the verse and the context it was given. You can argue based on biblical law. It is very easily determined who is right and wrong, based on the above paragraph. What about those that don't follow the bible? Are they automatically wrong? Personally, I don't follow the bible and I haven't found any point during my life where I needed to refer to it. I do believe that there is some higher power, but I believe that each person must find that on their own. I don't like being told how to live my life by a book. I think that I can find any guidance I need from more valuable resources such as my mother, grandparents, friends and relatives. Well obviously those who don't live by the bible have their own agenda. Yes they are wrong, imo. Sex before marriage is a cut and dry issue, IMO. Sex before marriage is a sin just like speeding or stealing or killing. We will be held accountable. But like i said, we could go a lot deeper the direction we are going, which is very off topic. You get your guidance from the same people I do. And some are not Christians. But some where down the line, those people got their guidance from someone who did follow the bible. You may have to go back in history a ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiEMOS Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 blah, this is like arguing with a wall. everyone has their own opinions, so lets just keep them to ur self and stop this, lol. 'Do whatever you think is right' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Well met DiEMOS, exactly what I was trying to say, except you were right to the point. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJLunacy Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 [sarcasim]Stop the presses what great back page news.[/sarcasim] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modem Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 The thing here is that it's not about someones personal preference in life if they choose not to believe the bible then it doesn't apply to them. Sorry no matter how much any catholic, muslim, buddist, athiest, non-believer chooses to ignore the bible and not believe it, it doesn't make it go away and it doesn't make the truth contained there-in any less applicable to them. It's like putting your hands over your ears and saying "blahblahblah" when someone tells you something you don't like. People are just ignoring something they don't like and hoping it doesn't go away. The truth is that all man-made religions are false, just as false as the false gods of the anchent greek and egyptian days. It's very simple, if someone doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as their savior and that they are a sinner destined for hell, they will goto hell. The terrorists of 9-11 all went to hell. A catholic who thinks confessional once a week saves them... goes to hell. Buddists, Hindu's, athiests, all goto hell the moment they die. Only those who have believed in Christ as savior goto heaven. I'm not being mean, I'm not being cruel, I'm saying what the truth is and that truth is every single human being on the earth today, tomorrow and years from now are imperfect sinners and because of that sin and until a person is saved they are destined to an enteral and tormenting hell. The 10 commandments doesn't save anyone (btw in the old Mosaic law there were actually over 500 laws and regulations to have been kept, not just the 10), not believing doesn't make you exempt, living a good and clean lifestyle doesn't get one to heaven, nor does praying to allah or buddah or any other false god. The truth is in plain site and I can't make anyone believe anything they don't want to, but i wouldn't be as foolish to carelessly toss around a decision about ones enteral destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramesees Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 The thing here is that it's not about someones personal preference in life if they choose not to believe the bible then it doesn't apply to them. Sorry no matter how much any catholic, muslim, buddist, athiest, non-believer chooses to ignore the bible and not believe it, it doesn't make it go away and it doesn't make the truth contained there-in any less applicable to them. It's like putting your hands over your ears and saying "blahblahblah" when someone tells you something you don't like. People are just ignoring something they don't like and hoping it doesn't go away.The truth is that all man-made religions are false, just as false as the false gods of the anchent greek and egyptian days. It's very simple, if someone doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as their savior and that they are a sinner destined for hell, they will goto hell. The terrorists of 9-11 all went to hell. A catholic who thinks confessional once a week saves them... goes to hell. Buddists, Hindu's, athiests, all goto hell the moment they die. Only those who have believed in Christ as savior goto heaven. I'm not being mean, I'm not being cruel, I'm saying what the truth is and that truth is every single human being on the earth today, tomorrow and years from now are imperfect sinners and because of that sin and until a person is saved they are destined to an enteral and tormenting hell. The 10 commandments doesn't save anyone (btw in the old Mosaic law there were actually over 500 laws and regulations to have been kept, not just the 10), not believing doesn't make you exempt, living a good and clean lifestyle doesn't get one to heaven, nor does praying to allah or buddah or any other false god. The truth is in plain site and I can't make anyone believe anything they don't want to, but i wouldn't be as foolish to carelessly toss around a decision about ones enteral destiny. One of the most sensible posts I've read in a long time Oh and everyone else, direct your flames elsewhere, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpoinacan Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Modem, Very eloquent, and very correct. Nicely done! I couldn't agree more. I hope that your statements help someone come to the truth and the light. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Just curious Modem, what religion are you? If you don't mind me asking that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtksxp Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 :cool: Here's a proposition: The Bible was written by men, and by men who subscribed to various religious dictates created by men as well, not by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stncttr908 Veteran Posted December 5, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2002 This survey was obviously not done in my town. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electronic Punk Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Ah well, I waited until after my GCSEs :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtksxp Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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