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[Soccer]Carragher Never A Thought?


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Why is it, the premierships hardest working and one of the best defenders in the country is never ever a contender for the defence line up?

In my opinion he is far better than John Terry, works 5 times harder the Rio Ferdinand and is more experienced the Wayne Bridge, Jonathon Woodgate, Micah Richards. So why is he hardly ever put in the first team, or let alone on the subs bench?

After reading on the BBC site that Terry is very unlikely to be in the squad to face Spain, Woodgate has been tipped to take his place...why not Jamie Carragher? He's played more than 400 games, played for 10 years, and in 7 years has made 31 appearances for England... It should be so much more, he gives 110% all the time, and has been at high highest level in the past three seasons. Bah just annoys me that a great defender hasnt got a good enough chance.

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This is sometimes the way unfortunately when it comes to international selections....people like me and you think these players should be in there but McClaren thinks alot different to us...shame because I actually agree with you on that fact about Carragher being picked tho Woodgate has played well since joining Boro so I wouldn't mind seeing him get picked as well.

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Ahhh I was actually going to post something about Carra being at Liverpool for ten years already. Last week was a tribute week for him. Carragher is undoubtedly one of the best defenders ever to play for Liverpool, he is one of those old fashioned defenders who is always strong in the tackle and gives his all through his passion for football. All you have to do is look at the way he defended in the Champions League final to see proof of that, the man had agonising cramp and still saved the day for us.

There is only one reason why Carra is not a first choice centre back for England, which is his versatility. I mean in the past for England he has played centre back, right back, left back and also in the holding role. John Terry and Rio Ferdinand are good defenders, but I think John Terry and Jamie Carragher and England's strongest centre back pairing.

Anyway, I am not assed about England. Liverpool means much more to Jamie Carragher, and we appreciate him all the more for it. He is one of my favourite players :).

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He should at least be in the team. Only the other day steve mclaren was saying he's looking at form.

Jamie has always had great form and probley better then some of the younger lads.

Sure i understand Mclaren wanting to bulid a mixed team of young and experiance, but sometimes i do question his pickings.

For instance why is Sol Campbell and David James not in the squad? Sure they had the downs. but come on i'd rather have Terry and Campbell in defence. Rio for me suffers from abit of form loss to often.

David James is a fantastic keeper. Sure he had let in some holwers but he's got much better qualitys then Robinson. For instance when i watch Robinson he is unsure at crosses and sometimes doesn't shout out to sort the defence out when he wants the ball. Thats is a major weakness.

For this season i don't think he has been one of the best keepers, i think Van Der Sar, Jens, Given, James have all had great seasons.

He has alway said he has create a list of 50 players that could go in an england squad. Two of which i like Matthew Taylor and Garry O'neil.

I think Garry o'neil is a really good player but there is a little niggle and doubt in my mind sometimes about his quality. But he's a box to box player who could play 2 full matches and even extra time in the same day.

Matthew Taylor would be fantastic on the left side of midfield for england, there isn't a huge choice for england down the left side. He can defend and also get forward and attack. But i feel Downing will get a nod because Mclaren likes him, even thou Downing form has been up and down

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England (squad):

Robinson (Tottenham)

Foster (Watford)

Kirkland (Wigan)

Gary Neville (Man Utd)

Phil Neville (Everton)

Rio Ferdinand (Man Utd)

Woodgate (Middlesbrough)

Bridge (Chelsea)

Terry (Chelsea)

Carragher (Liverpool)

Dawson (Tottenham)

Richards (Man City)

Lennon (Tottenham)

Gerrard (Liverpool)

Hargreaves (Bayern Munich)

Carrick (Man Utd)

Downing (Midd'boro)

Wright-Phillips (Chelsea)

Parker (Newcastle)

Lampard (Chelsea)

Barry (Aston Villa)

Barton (Man City)

Jenas (Tottenham)

Dyer (Newcastle)

Rooney (Man Utd)

Crouch (Liverpool)

Defoe (Tottenham)

Johnson (Everton)

No so bad but, disapointed with some players picked. I don't like Woodgate being in the team. Bit anoyed Downing is in it as well.

Wright-Philips is a good player but when Mclaren has said he will be looking at form. this guy has none because he has hardly played.

Joey Barton, please kick me in the head and call me sandy. Why is he in a squad? Sure he's a good player but he's only been a good player because he's playing in a medicore Man City side.

I also sometimes question Steve Mclaren, i think there is some smugness with him being an england manager. Sure he was probley one of the better candiates. But not the best manger. He still has lots to prove for me.

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I hope Aaron Lennon gets given a chance in the squad a bit more, With him running down the right, and Joe Cole (when he finally returns) on the left I think we stand a brilliant chance. Thats how I score all my goals on Pro Evo anyway....

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Even as a Spurs fan, I think it would do Robinson good to be put on the bench; he seems to be getting a bit lazy. Lennon will eventually be the wonder boy that Rooney currently is.

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It's a shame that on paper our team should be so much better than it is. They just don't seem to gel at all, very frustrating to watch.

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I thought woodgate was rubbish, he made the defence look awfull. he was out of postion to much. at one point he was on the right wing...

And putting lampard on the left wing what twoodle, 3 central midfielders in a 4 - 4 - 2 system.

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In short, Mclaren is a waste of space, like the manager before him. The Spain match was a chance to turn things round, shine, make it clear that we can actually wings games properly. But once again, he f***ed it up.

I hope we keep losing, for now. Just so he can be dropped and a better replacement sought.

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I would of liked Martin O'Neil given the job.

Sure he's not doing fantastic at Aston Villa at the moment, but he is honest and very dedicated to his job.

Shame no one like Arsene Wenger or Sir Alex would take on the job, they would probley take over the world. while making sure they stamp on some player feet when not doing so well

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I would of liked Martin O'Neil given the job.

Sure he's not doing fantastic at Aston Villa at the moment, but he is honest and very dedicated to his job.

Shame no one like Arsene Wenger or Sir Alex would take on the job, they would probley take over the world. while making sure they stamp on some player feet when not doing so well

Yeah I think Martin O'Neil would of been great...never really rated McClaren at all....seeing as he was under sven as well he is probably using some of those craptastic tactics on his games :(

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  • 4 weeks later...

I do nothing think Carra has been doing his England cause any harm in recent weeks ;).

He has been immense in our two games against Barca and Man Utd recently, but he is excellent in every game he plays.

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We all dream of a team of Carraghers, a team of Carraghers, a team of Carraghers...

he is a legend...and recently his form has been immense...Should be in line for england duty - but personally I hope he just stays fit and injury free for the upcoming games ie, Villa,Arsenal, PSV etc...

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  • 3 months later...
Jamie Carragher is ready to quit the England team after being left out of the crucial Euro 2008 qualifier against Estonia last month.

The Liverpool centre-half, who played in four of England's five games at the World Cup last year, has made just five appearances under Steve McClaren.

He has never started in his favoured position in a back four, even when John Terry and Rio Ferdinand have been injured, despite winning rave reviews as he helped his club to a second Champions League final appearance in three years.

His likely decision to retire from international football, which mirrors Paul Scholes' self-imposed England exile,was brought to a head when he was left out of the side who defeated Estonia 3-0 in Tallinn.

A source close to the 29-year-old said last night: "Jamie does not want to sound like a big-time Charlie. He just feels that at this stage of his career it would be better if he concentrated his efforts on helping Liverpool become the No 1 team in England again.

"He has always regarded it as a tremendous honour to represent his country and he has happy memories of pulling on the shirt. But things have to end some time and he thinks this might be a good time to bow out."

Against Estonia, the euphoria surrounding David Beckham's England return overshadowed Carragher's huge disappointment at being dropped to the bench.

He had accepted the fact he was behind the likes of Terry, Ferdinand and Jonathan Woodgate in the central defensive pecking order but, in a match when both Ferdinand and Woodgate were unavailable, McClaren's preference for the injuryprone Ledley King came as a bitter personal blow.

The situation was made worse when the England manager picked Wes Brown at right-back, a role Carragher has filled in the absence through injury of Gary Neville.

McClaren, having failed to talk Scholes into returning to the international scene, has not given up on persuading Carragher to reverse his decision and has been in constant touch with him. He will seek to meet the player on his return, before he names the squad for the friendly against Germany on August 22 at Wembley.

Carragher has collected 34 England caps since he made his debut as a substitute against Hungary in April 1999, ironically in the game that also signalled Brown's nternational arrival. In that time, the Anfield favourite has earned a reputation for being a wholehearted player who rarely let the side down, despite being asked to play all across the back four.

Eriksson once tried him as a holding midfield player, but McClaren has used him at right-back, left-back and as one of three centre-halves in a 3-5-2 formation, as well as, briefly, in his favoured position.

Carragher won 27 caps during Eriksson's reign, but his appearances have been restricted to just three starts since McClaren took over.

I really hope Carra retires from international football. England do not deserve a player like him. England's loss is Liverpool's gain.

I suppose this thread and this one some up the problems he has had internationally.

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I'd champ for Carra to quit, he is a good defender that most premiership teams would love to have.

I've never been a fan of Steve Mclaren, he hasn't done great as England manager and I question his choice of people to play.

I wonder if Mclaren had anything to do with Paul Scholes giving up International football?

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