Spartan_X Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Mexican governor orders seizure of GRAW2 El Diario reports that Chihuahua state governor orders game depicting American invasion of postrebellion Ju?rez confiscated.> The governor of the Mexican state of Chihuahua has ordered that copies of Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 be confiscated, according to a report on Spanish-language site El Diario. Set in Ju?rez, Mexico, and El Paso, Texas, GRAW2 follows an elite combat unit battling Mexican rebels in the year 2014. Earlier this month, the mayor of Ju?rez, a city in Chihuahua on the Mexican-American border, criticized the game sharply, saying it instilled poor values and portrayed his town's people as violent. According to the report, Chihuahua Governor Jos? Reyes Baeza Terrazas considers the game an insult not only to the city of Ju?rez, but to the entire country. Currently, authorities are gathering information on where the game is being sold, reproduced, and distributed in preparation for a seizure campaign, El Diario reported. As of press time, an Ubisoft representative had not responded to GameSpot's request for comment. By Brendan Sinclair -- GameSpot Posted Mar 23, 2007 6:01 pm CT Story from GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168009.html Copyright ?2006 CNET Networks, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted March 24, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 24, 2007 In all honesty I truly thought I would read this news sooner than this. Although it is only a video game, and as such should in theory not be taken seriously, it does have a very realistic feel to it and in all reality does not paint our neighbors to the south in a great light at all. Really not surprised at all by this news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 have they completely lost it? sometimes i look at the calendar and wonder if we ever really did graduate from the 12th century. larry you can't give them that in: this is ridiculous, it's fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierce28 Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 [sarcastic]I played GTA3 and Vice City. Guess I am going to go kill some hookers now. Cya all later.... [/sarcastic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 yes, for great justice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted March 24, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 24, 2007 have they completely lost it? sometimes i look at the calendar and wonder if we ever really did graduate from the 12th century.larry you can't give them that in: this is ridiculous, it's fiction. Like I said, I completely acknowledge the fact it is indeed fiction, and personally I know it is such. However I also fully acknowledge it is pretty much the most "realistic" fiction within the video game universe itself. It is not like an Oblivion lets say, with Magic and Vampires and a fully fictional world and characters. It is without a doubt loosely based on reality itself. Best example is they do use real life city names and a real life country as the setting itself, with real life weapons and future military tech. As such, I honestly thought it was just a matter of time before someone complained. Sure, GTA is a great example of another game based loosely on reality, but even though it is a good example they at least use fictional names. GRAW 2 specifically states Mexico along with real cities within the country, and least that is my understanding of it all. Also since I like to fancy myself someone who keeps up with news and politics, Immigration is a hot topic of debate right now in the news itself, especially in my state of New Jersey as a local radio personality, one of the Jersey Guys, is actually appearing tomorrow on Fox news to defend his campaign called "La Cuca Gotcha," which he urges people to report illegal immigrants to authorities. It is a truly sensitive topic, and as such even though the game is indeed fiction, it without a doubt is treading a very fine line with it's story line. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying I agree with the ban at all, just saying I am taking into account the ultra sensitive world we live in these days. Hell, I am sure you heard about all of the nonsense going on around the movie 300 which was of all things a comic book, so I am just saying I am not surprised one bit reading this news. Truly and sincerely while playing the single player campaign I really thought it was only a matter of time before it happened. Again, I do not support it and think it is an absolute joke, just saying I saw it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 i know you're not in support of this BS, which is exactly why we can't give them a single solitary iota of understanding. it's just insecurity and should be stopped. it's not like they're using real people's names, addresses, what not...if that was the case, then i'd understand someone was offended. it's time to get it into our heads there's no legitimate way for a group of people to get offended collectively...that's immature nonsense. in my work around the world i'm exposed to this idiocy all the time and make sure people know it's dumb. when the movie The Host came out with it's not too subtle message about US influence i didn't even flinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tao muon Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Well... Mexicans order seizure of a fantasy based video game... The U.S.A. orders seizure of fantasy based immigrants. Seems fair to me: since no one believes fantasy based immigrants cross the border then it's fair to say the video game doesn't exist either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 LOL that was a good one. finally some wit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tao muon Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I find it hypocritical that Mexico would denounce a fantasy game while wholeheartedly endorsing the militaristic concepts of 'Aztlan' and 'Reconquista' with regards to the western United States. They want nothing less than to reclaim the territories they lost (and the U.S. paid for in recompense) during the Mexican-American War and will use any and every avenue to tip the scales in favor of their goal. If you believe in freedom, you cannot accept Mexico's behaviour at all. They ship, even subsidise, poverty to the USA. They want us to pay for their infirmed. They won't let us go there and get treated the same as they want to be treated here. Money transfered from Mexicans in the USA to Mexicans in Mexico is such a large part of their economy that if it were to stop, Mexico would plunge to the bottom of the World's economies. And you are worried about how a video game is interpreted by Mexicans. Pathetic to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 who's worried about how anyone interprests GRAW2? what's happening with the govn'r is typical of the insecurities you get from nationalistic people everywhere. they're always outraged about every little thing because deep down they know the belief system they hold on to goes against common sense and has no legs to stand on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 have they completely lost it? sometimes i look at the calendar and wonder if we ever really did graduate from the 12th century.larry you can't give them that in: this is ridiculous, it's fiction. If a Middle Eastern country released a game about an elite Middle Eastern team fighting Americans in America and subsiquently blowing things up and killing Americans, do you think America would let such a game be sold in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erp. Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 If a Middle Eastern country released a game about an elite Middle Eastern team fighting Americans in America and subsiquently blowing things up and killing Americans, do you think America would let such a game be sold in America? Probably yes. There are already first person shooting games that depict killing US civilians. GTA anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEMO.INC Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I find it hypocritical that Mexico would denounce a fantasy game while wholeheartedly endorsing the militaristic concepts of 'Aztlan' and 'Reconquista' with regards to the western United States. They want nothing less than to reclaim the territories they lost (and the U.S. paid for in recompense) during the Mexican-American War and will use any and every avenue to tip the scales in favor of their goal. If you believe in freedom, you cannot accept Mexico's behaviour at all. They ship, even subsidise, poverty to the USA. They want us to pay for their infirmed. They won't let us go there and get treated the same as they want to be treated here. Money transfered from Mexicans in the USA to Mexicans in Mexico is such a large part of their economy that if it were to stop, Mexico would plunge to the bottom of the World's economies. And you are worried about how a video game is interpreted by Mexicans. Pathetic to say the least. 1) This is not Mexico denouncing anything, this is a governor and not the federal government, and we do not endorse any kind of "militaristic concept" in fact we don't have an "war focused" army, Mexico's army main job is stop drug and bring aid when any kind of natural disaster occur, when there is a flood or a hurricane hits any of our cities, the army is there to aid in a matter of hours. 2) I suggest you to read some history books about the Mexican American War, US paid? you say it like it was fair, that war was invented by the US president to get more land, have you read about "Manifest Destiny"? It's not like I'm saying we want California back, that was a long time ago and doesn't have anything to do with te game subject. 3)"If you believe in freedom", wow dude, what a phrase, what kind of freedom are you talking about? the "operation enduring freedom" or the freedom to veto any UN democratic resolution that doesn't fit certain nation's interest. 5)Money flux.. well, apparently we also export lots of drugs to you and the money flux that goes back from that is subsidizing all the guerrilla and crime in the region, I am all in favor of stop immigration, do you think we Mexicans want our own kind illegally there? we love to see them die in the desert you know. Now back on topic... Banning a video game is stupid, its like banning a book or a movie, For the images i've seen its very realistic, I think that is the main reason. I don't see that kind of realism in any other game, with exception of the WW2 games (and many are banned in countries like germany), I bet if any city in the world is depicted with that realism and violence protests will arise. I sincerely hope i didn't offended annyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 no memo, that was not offensive, actually quite reasonable. this isn't about the US vs Mexico, god forbid, it's about an idiotic kneejerk reaction of the type often associated with publicity-seeking, rabble-rousing nationalists. you find them everywhere. as for wyatt earp's comments, i think it would be allowed quite readily, if nothing else any attempt to ban it would have the ACLU launched into their own little frenzy. does that happen in other places? not so often. that's the freedom tao was talking about earlier. bear in mind there have been plenty of games depicting killings of americans and destruction of american locales...remember HL? you killed marines in that one for pete's sake. and RSV? that shows Vegas getting totally trounced. yes, the protagonists are American as well presumably and the locations specifically are largely fictional, but it's close enough to not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Probably yes. There are already first person shooting games that depict killing US civilians. GTA anyone? GTA is different though. It's Americans Killing Americans. You see that on TV every day of the week in TV shows. But it's different when another countries special forces are entering your country illegally to kill civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 (edited) I find it hypocritical that Mexico would denounce a fantasy game while wholeheartedly endorsing the militaristic concepts of 'Aztlan' and 'Reconquista' with regards to the western United States. They want nothing less than to reclaim the territories they lost (and the U.S. paid for in recompense) during the Mexican-American War and will use any and every avenue to tip the scales in favor of their goal. If you believe in freedom, you cannot accept Mexico's behaviour at all. They ship, even subsidise, poverty to the USA. They want us to pay for their infirmed. They won't let us go there and get treated the same as they want to be treated here. Money transfered from Mexicans in the USA to Mexicans in Mexico is such a large part of their economy that if it were to stop, Mexico would plunge to the bottom of the World's economies. And you are worried about how a video game is interpreted by Mexicans. Pathetic to say the least. <snipped> As far as I know everyone is free to protest for everything they want, so I don't see the real deal. And no, it wouldn't "plunge" like you say, actually, you are having a hard time there without all the cheap labor force. Edited March 25, 2007 by Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyo Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 OMG he got his panties in a knot about Graw 2 and does absolutely nothing about VIVA PINATA. Viva Pinata is so obviously a metaphor for the exploitation of mexicans by western capitalists. Breed them, sell them. Work them to death. Build street corners with dimly lit street lamps and then make your garishy painted Pinata's work the corner. If they don't make money then make snuff films out of them by feeding them to other Pinata... Pack the baby Pinata's into crates and send them off to Angelina Jolie... I LOVE IT! LOL sorry Rodrigo. I have a sick sense of humour. ;) :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 OMG he got his panties in a knot about Graw 2 and does absolutely nothing about VIVA PINATA.Viva Pinata is so obviously a metaphor for the exploitation of mexicans by western capitalists. Breed them, sell them. Work them to death. Build street corners with dimly lit street lamps and then make your garishy painted Pinata's work the corner. If they don't make money then make snuff films out of them by feeding them to other Pinata... Pack the baby Pinata's into crates and send them off to Angelina Jolie... I LOVE IT! LOL sorry Rodrigo. I have a sick sense of humour. ;) :rofl: Nah, don't worry. What offends me is the kind of behavior of people like this guy. I mean, to me it's stupid too that some politician is trying to do something with a game when he can't do **** with his own city. But I don't think this guy was discussing the main point the entire time and it was obviously so offtopic and just a way to vent his lame propaganda. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I actually live very close to the place in question. All I can say is that Mexican culture has a great deal of "Mexican pride" and this doesn't surprise me one bit. It really does not take much to offend most Mexicans un-intentionally. As a whole I view Mexicans as a rather sensitive people. Be careful not to call a Mexican "hespanic" or "chicano" for instance...they will insist that they are not hespanic, they are Mexican. <<ducks for cover>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianN00b Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) <snipped> Edited March 25, 2007 by Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmarE D Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) <snipped> Carlos Mencia is insulting all Mexicans IMO About GRAW2. I hate when games get banned in places, but you can also see where the guy is coming from. Edited March 25, 2007 by Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney T. Administrators Posted March 25, 2007 Administrators Share Posted March 25, 2007 Thread cleaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Shake Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Thread cleaned Are you saying that Mexicans aren't clean? Sir, I am offended by that!!` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmorph Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Soo...donkey show = good. Violent video games = bad. Sure, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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