Nightz Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Elite or Not? 1UP Network Editors on Microsoft's New 360How do some of the 1UP Network editors feel about the new 360? By 1UP Staff, 03/27/2007 After taking a look at Microsoft's Elite 360 -- details here -- some of the 1UP Network editors chimed in with their thoughts on the high end Xbox 360 SKU. "I guess it's good to know that boning early adopters isn't just for Sony and Nintendo anymore. Although, really, are Elite's new features THAT big a deal? Cosmetic changes, meh. HDMI, ok, but it takes an awfully discerning eye to spot the difference between HDMI and component on anything besides a super high-end TV. And the bigger hard drive is sold separately (albeit with a $100 penalty for us non-tard-pack-owners). It's good news for fence-sitters, maybe, but even then it's kinda frittering away the console's price advantage over PS3." Jeremy Parish, Features Editor, 1UP.com "No built-in HD-DVD? No built-in Wi-Fi? This new Xbox 360 SKU hardly seems 'Elite' to me. I'm all for a higher-end model, but the lack of those key features makes this one feel half-baked. And actually, this announcement serves as just another reminder that the PlayStation 3 -- at least in terms of hardware -- still offers more." -- Bryan Intihar, Previews Editor, Electronic Gaming Monthly "I'm not even slightly interested in getting one of these for myself, seeing as how I'm part of the 98% of the TV install base that can't handle 1080p (I made that statistic up but I bet it's pretty close), and I haven't gone nuts with the XBL downloads so I don't need a huge hard drive yet. Actually, this kind of just reopens the wound -- I really think that Microsoft's decision to not include a harddrive standard with all versions is a huge mistake that it'll come to regret. And this new version is so close to the PS3's price, it really underlines how similar the systems are in terms of what you get, with some minor trade-offs here and there. I wish MS had gone all out and put an HD-DVD drive in this thing, though. Looks like the format wars (for those who care) are limping in Blu-ray's favor, and bundling an HD-DVD player with the 360 might've been the biggest help to the cause. Also: Seeing as how Microsoft wants to push microtransactions so hard, it's time to make Xbox Live free." -- Demian Linn, Managing Producer, Gamevideos "I would definitely buy a second Xbox 360, especially one that's a different color (in this instance, black), just for variety's sake. That way I could hold LAN parties at home without having to run, say, Gears of War in splitscreen. But I'd want a few things before I double up, and those things are a built-in HD-DVD drive (not sure if that'll ever happen, since Microsoft may not be willing to go through the expense for a format that might not win the HD war) and a quieter engine. Right now it's like I've got a fabulous little hair salon humming away inside my Xbox 360. The big hard drive is a step in the right direction, and I think the 360 is the best system out there right now, but it's still not quite there." -- James Mielke, Executive Editor, 1UP.com "When I first saw 'Elite 360' my first reaction was absolute unbridled glee. Because I thought it was a remake of the old 3D vectory-looking space trading game. Which it goddamn isn't. It's a 360 with more hard drive space that I'm not going to use, a HDMI port for that HD TV I don't have, and a headset to talk to people I don't want anything to do with. Even better, it's freaking black. Like I didn't have a hard enough time telling retail 360s from our debugs already. I'm pretty sure they're doing this just to make my life difficult." -- Scott Sharkey, Staff Writer, 1UP.com "I'm seeing mixed messaging here. Microsoft is saying the Elite package is now its permanent premium Xbox 360 SKU -- the BMW 7 series of the 360 family. So why not include built-in WiFi or -- if they really believe in the format -- HD-DVD playback? It's like getting a 7 Series sedan with a cruddy tape player. But at least the Elite comes with an HDMI cable!" -- Crispin Boyer, Senior Editor, Electronic Gaming Monthly "I was hoping Microsoft was going to offer an internal HD-DVD drive. Could this signal where the format wars are going, since they won't stand behind the format with a solid commitment, beyond an external device? Who knows? But I'm not going to pick up an Elite 360, yet. Instead I'll be eying the 120 gig hard drive to upgrade my existing console, and watch where the console wars go from here." -- Mike Nelson, myCheats Editor "'Why is the 120GB External HDD so expensive?' When I try to form an opinion about the Elite SKU, I can't help but think about that question. For one, I'm not convinced that I'd get a noticeable increase in video quality with HDMI. And they're not including HD-DVD support in the box, right? So as a 360 owner who thinks VGA is a good-enough connection and purchases way too much content on Xbox Live, (I have 23 Live Arcade games and a grip of DLC on my HDD including the 1GB Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion) I feel like Microsoft is not even attempting to appeal to me with this press release. For first-time 360 purchasers, the Elite SKU is still over-priced. (no HD-DVD, no internal WiFi) That said, Premium purchasers may realize that 20GB isn't enough space, so maybe the Elite unit is the way to go. Put simply, I feel that $180 is too much money to charge for a 120GB drive; this is especially true when I remember that I'm paying for nearly all the content that I will store on that drive in addition to the $50 a year I'm paying to play games on Live. They should have removed the 20GB drive from the market and released this new one at the existing pricepoint. Hell, it should be free after the purchase of your 20th Live Arcade game." -- Ryan O'Donnell, Senior Video Producer, The 1UP Show "I'm not the guy downloading shows, so screw the hard drive. The only reason I even give a half a rat's ass about this news: I own a pimp-ass HDTV and wished that these bozos put an HDMI port on the original 360. Yeah, I really needed to see beads of ass-sweat on Kameo in HD. Whatever. Point is, thanks a lot." -- Darren Gladstone, Features & Technology Editor, Games for Windows source: 1up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 good for them, NEXT? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Seetheworldsecond Subscriber¹ Posted March 28, 2007 Subscriber¹ Share Posted March 28, 2007 WOW dude above me can't take facts that are extremely valid and true.Just with the "I don't want to hear it attitude xbox360 is still better even tho the new elite one is just getting something the ps3 already has" Microsoft a company with unlimited recourses when it comes to their funds they have indeed should have included a HD-DVD player installed already,isn't that next gen? leaving the "Elite 360" more like Incomplete almost there Console.Seriously tho why would you have to buy the add on the 360 is sopose to be next gen,which should include the HD-Dvd Player. I for one will wait til the system is just 150$ which should happen in 4 years or so and then just buy all the great games ,gears of wars,halo 3, etc while they are 19.99$ for the mean time I will stick to my PS3 for gaming entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 *Deleted wrong thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathGod Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 good for them, NEXT? :rolleyes: You remind me of that one annyoing kid no one likes. Annoying Kid : My dads 2001 honda accord is better then your dads car! Other Kid : uhh...My dad has the new 2007 supra Annoying kid : oh yeah will my dads car still better cause cause he saves gas! Other Kid : :whistle: yeah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 You remind me of that one annyoing kid no one likes.Annoying Kid : My dads 2001 honda accord is better then your dads car! Other Kid : uhh...My dad has the new 2007 supra Annoying kid : oh yeah will my dads car still better cause cause he saves gas! Other Kid : :whistle: yeah..... more like... kid: my dad is a car dealer than can offer his customers the choice to pick between a BMW 3 series, 5 series and the 7 series... :yes: other kid: oh really? :rolleyes: kid: yup! :happy: other kid: well, my dad is a car dealer too and he can offer his customers the choice to pick between two models of Lexus! :cool: kid: really? :| other kid: yeah! and they're soooo freaking amazing and fast that we didn?t even care to include "tires" with them! if you can afford to buy a Lexus like ours you won't be complaining about paying "a little extra" for them, and that my friend is how you make business!:devil:l:kid:b> if you say so...:unsure:e: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 good for them, NEXT? :rolleyes: Really? There criticism is all valid. I love MS response to the backlash though. It really says thanks for " Jumpin' In " Microsoft has no plans to offer rebates, discounts, or free trade-ins for loyal early adopters. When asked how he thought gamers would respond to the new higher-priced addition, Penello said, "I think and hope that people are going to understand. There is as price for being an early adopter and your points and feelings are valid (Penello said when referring to gamers IGN suggested would be angry about the new system). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGS4-SS Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 good for them, NEXT? :rolleyes: Its just constructive criticism Spartan. Its no lie that they ***** up this time (though the console is cool looking, and the extras are nice). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryne Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I hope MS can take some valid critism and not respond in a Sony-like manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 my first instinct ,having bought my 360 a month ago was to get angry, but thats just how technology rolls. At the end of the day, i would have been paying more for this new system, about $80 CND more, So now what? Ill just be paying more for the hdd if i decide to get it. Yeah im a little annoyed, but its the price of buying technology, something new is always gunna come out. Shoould i be angry that i own a 4th gen ipod and apple released a video ipod? no, that would be stupid. Ive had my 360 for a month now and have been loving every moment of live, thats what i got for buying it a month early than the elite, and thats all i care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryne Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 my first instinct ,having bought my 360 a month ago was to get angry, but thats just how technology rolls. At the end of the day, i would have been paying more for this new system, about $80 CND more, So now what? Ill just be paying more for the hdd if i decide to get it. Yeah im a little annoyed, but its the price of buying technology, something new is always gunna come out. Shoould i be angry that i own a 4th gen ipod and apple released a video ipod? no, that would be stupid. Ive had my 360 for a month now and have been loving every moment of live, thats what i got for buying it a month early than the elite, and thats all i care about. Hope you won't mind if I argue with you a bit :p. I think what annoys people the most (looks like a limited amount of people, but whatever) is that consoles don't usually go through these type of revisions so early in their life. Also, the seemingly high price of the HD as well. Consoles don't usually have many hardware revisions like iPods and stuff like that do; that's one of the major reasons people play consoles over computers, because they don't have to keep on buying parts for it. But I can see the other side of this. You don't really have to get the new sku because gaming isn't impacted much at all by this release. Just that those people with 1080p TVs that can't do 1080p over component will be a bit miffed I think :p. But at least it's now know that if you want to buy a TV that does 1080p, and you want and Xbox, go for the elite version. I hope you can see what I was thinking, but I do agree with you with some of your points. Final note, the HD price is a ripoff :p. Glad I don't have to get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted March 28, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 28, 2007 Now MS is releasing the Elite, I don't think they should have rushed the console out in 2005 without the HD-DVD. To me, it would make better sense to include it from the start (even if they had to delay the console) but that would be a strong 10 million adopters of HD DVD. The games could still have been put on DVD's I'm sure? and in the future if the developers need more space, upgrade their disks to HD DVD's. With the Elite still missing wifi and HD drive, I think this could really be helping Sony with their sales more than MS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 So the whole argument is pretty much HD video? Wasnt this a gaming console? Arnt microsoft letting you make your own decision? And untill theres a clear winner? I buy a console for game quality and a community of gamers which surpases any other, Not for movies. When its decided which will become the next generation HDDVD or Blu Ray, thats when i'll buy my player. And I will buy a stand alone player which is made for the job, I dont buy a phone for taking photos I buy a phone for making phone calls. On the original xbox I didnt use the DVD feature once. Right now the amount of quality games on the 360 surpases that of the PS3. And the live services out stripes it by far. I bought a console made for games, to play games nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 One-up has always been pretty anti-xbox. That "article" is not much of a surprise. Now if Sony came out mega-ultra-super edition PS3 that cost $1000, they would all need to change their shorts. I think it's a good thing that they did not include an internal HDDVD. By not including it, it allows Microsoft to release a Blu-ray drive if the industry shifts in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dnast Subscriber² Posted March 28, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted March 28, 2007 I don't know why those editors expected a built-in HD DVD drive. It wasn't long ago MS reminded us that they're willing to provide Blu-ray drives if HD DVD failed. Yeah, they could go for the PS3's "Mercedes" market, but looking at the 1:100 attach ratio of HD DVD drives it doesn't seem like that many people really care about it right now - at least not with the extra costs involved. Now MS is releasing the Elite, I don't think they should have rushed the console out in 2005 without the HD-DVD. To me, it would make better sense to include it from the start (even if they had to delay the console) but that would be a strong 10 million adopters of HD DVD. The games could still have been put on DVD's I'm sure? and in the future if the developers need more space, upgrade their disks to HD DVD's.With the Elite still missing wifi and HD drive, I think this could really be helping Sony with their sales more than MS.. But, how does 10 million adopters of HD DVD help MS? I agree that it could help out in the future if developers need the space, but I don't think the 360 would fare so well if it launched with a $600 price tag. I know I wouldn't own one right now. I also agree that they could've at least thrown in Wi-Fi even if I have no use for it personally. It really wouldn't cost MS much more to include that internally. Like you said, in some ways this just makes the PS3 look better. 360 Elite + Wi-Fi + HD DVD = $779! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inplode Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 good for them, NEXT? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: please MS lied to EVERYONE and there now bending people over the counter and giving it to them over the 120gig HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 28, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted March 28, 2007 (edited) One-up has always been pretty anti-xbox. That "article" is not much of a surprise.Now if Sony came out mega-ultra-super edition PS3 that cost $1000, they would all need to change their shorts. I think it's a good thing that they did not include an internal HDDVD. By not including it, it allows Microsoft to release a Blu-ray drive if the industry shifts in that direction. I think the biggest loss in not including one to start off with is the guaranteed 9m consumers who would be have it to use right now (although it was deemed by the majority that it was better not included for choice/cheaper console). This time around the biggest loss is in your wallet as its still not included in a more expensive package! (we have already established your wallet is being slapped around silly for the 120GB drive) The current price for the elite is dodgy for what you are getting. I would've expected wifi for sure and argubaly the hd-dvd interal drive. I feel if it was included this time around MS could have helped boost HD-DVD by a healthy amount, as the HD market is still young. No wonder Blu-Ray is getting a slight advantage at the moment. Anyone who purchases a PS3 can easily experiment with it and use it - The Elite 360 could have challenged this and theres no better time than right now! Consumer's have been getting pounded with all this HD hype for the last 6 months or so. Anyone who now buys the elite package will also have to purchase a HD-DVD addon :( More $$$ spent. To sum it up, for me Elite should have included everything and the current 360 should be left available to buy as the cheaper option for those who don't need/want HD-DVD at the moment. Does that not sound fair for everyone? Meets the needs of those who want it all and those who don't! Edited March 28, 2007 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Now if Sony came out mega-ultra-super edition PS3 that cost $1000, they would all need to change their shorts. Current console costs more then that in Australia and New Zealand already, Il'd hate to see a even more expensive version down here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted March 28, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 28, 2007 Not for nothing, $180 for a 120GB HDD is a bit outlandish. This page proves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacer Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I don't have an HDTV so the added HDMI means nothing to me. I only have 2 Live arcade games at the moment, with only one other expected to come (Castle Crashers), and I don't download very many game demos or TV shows. So the bigger HDD doesn't really affect me either. I don't need WiFi on my 360 as I have it hard lined to my router, and wireless internet isn't great for gaming anyways. Although I am kinda bummed that the HDD alone costs so much damn money, I can still get by without it. I mostly agree with the views of the 1up editors in that HD-DVD should have been included, but really it doesn't bother me all that much that it was excluded. Overall, I'm not upset that MS came out with another version of the 360, because it doesn't and won't affect my gaming situation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ir0nw0lf Subscriber² Posted March 28, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted March 28, 2007 "I guess it's good to know that boning early adopters isn't just for Sony and Nintendo anymore." Jeremy Parish, Features Editor, 1UP.com Are you kidding? :rolleyes: That copout excuse again? Frankly, this one is getting a bit old and needs to be put to rest. How exactly is MS "boning early adopters?" Seriously, I can't see a single reason for people to keep saying this, other than they are simply angst-ridden and expect every new feature in a release item. Had MS released the Elite say 3 months after the initial launch, there would be some cause for concern. You folks at 1UP need to get a grip on reality... :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 28, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted March 28, 2007 Are you kidding? :rolleyes: That copout excuse again? Frankly, this one is getting a bit old and needs to be put to rest. How exactly is MS "boning early adopters?" Seriously, I can't see a single reason for people to keep saying this, other than they are simply angst-ridden and expect every new feature in a release item. Had MS released the Elite say 3 months after the initial launch, there would be some cause for concern.You folks at 1UP need to get a grip on reality... :wacko: I can see where 1UP are going with the "boning" as it would peeve me off slightly. Why? Throughout a console's life I feel the only upgrades/updates that should be aimed for are cosmetic. Smaller console/less noise/different colours ect. The planning period before a launch of a console should take into consideration the life span (usually 7-10 years?) and what possible technology advances are coming out at the present time/near future. The elite for me is in a grey area as it adds an HDMI connection. That is a hardware change (something for me that would merit a potential consumer "bone" :p) but at the same time its not that significant for most people at the present time - May change in the future. The colour change does not matter - Doesn't change playing experience The hard drive change - Again slight grey area as MS should of planned before hand that 20GB may not be enough for their plans with Live/Xbox Store/Videos/Films/TV Shows/Games ect. The overall price for Elite - Now this is "boning" consumers if you ask me... the reason, what you get for the price tag :/ This is where I would agree with 1UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Ninja Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The do have some good points. But I think I will still get one. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaurav Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Well at least this one is a good buy for people who still haven't brought an xbox (like me), because the price of elite is less than premium + 120gb hd, and there's an added HDMI port as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanser Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Can we say Spartan is lost for words :rofl:. Yeah the hard drive is just too expensive!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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