Angel Blue01 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Whenever I install Firefox on a machine I set it as the default browser and delete the desktop shortcut to IE. Users will just use the default always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysah Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I must say I am one of those who just tries it. I am still a Opera user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+longgonebn Subscriber² Posted August 16, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted August 16, 2007 I tryed firefox almost 3 years ago I think, maybe less and haven't since stopped using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted August 18, 2007 Veteran Share Posted August 18, 2007 Opera uses the Presto engine, not Trident like IE or Gecko like FF. In actuality the standards compliance goes Trident < Gecko < Presto. Here is a list of a bunch od layout engines as well...As a side note, Presto is also used in the Wii browser, Adobe CS2 and CS3. Gecko is not 100% standards compliant, but it is A LOT more compliant than IE. Presto isn't 100% compliant either. My old site had something that rendered properly in everything but Opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy1977 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I used to have Firefox 2 years ago, but it sucks as well, because they are so slower for load flash player, and others. I do prefer IE7 over Firefox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormier6083 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I don't believe this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveMasterT Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm a pretty hardcore maxthon user myself... I keep trying to get into FF but the one thing that really bothers me is that I can't move the toolbars around and I have a setup I really am comfortable with and have been using since long ago. IE and FF give me that flexibility as where FF says "You use 'em where we put 'em!" I know it's trivial, but I'm picky about my browsers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gosselin Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 ...rendered properly in everything... Konqueror and Safari? For me, "the standards compliance" goes to Presto and WebKit/KHTML only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 i've downloaded FF lots of times and im not a regular user, i used it on computers at work (tabbed browsing was needed there....for personal use of course lol) and i've tried it on OSX (removed it right away), I also downloaded it every few new versions on windows (never really liked it on windows). The only platform i've used it on permanently is on Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted August 18, 2007 Veteran Share Posted August 18, 2007 I've used Firefox since 2004 and I never turned back to Internet Explorer. The main reason I use Firefox is the features and the security. It also feels smoother and faster than Internet Explorer but that could be a psychological thing. All in all, I'm too used to Firefox and I can't use anything else aside from Opera. The only times I use anything else is when nothing works, windows update for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveMasterT Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Konqueror and Safari?For me, "the standards compliance" goes to Presto and WebKit/KHTML only. Yeah I hear ya... Safari is terrible. I have seen websites that Safari tries to load, sees some java and goes "oh, I give up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted August 18, 2007 Administrators Share Posted August 18, 2007 Browser usage on Neowin Firefox 49.4 % Internet explorer 37.5 % Opera 7.4 % Safari 2.6 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazebee_ Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I used FF for a long while, and went back to IE for no apparent reason. People who use FF are fine until they get to the t-shirts and hats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas-c Veteran Posted August 18, 2007 Veteran Share Posted August 18, 2007 Browser usage on Neowin Firefox 49.4 % Internet explorer 37.5 % Opera 7.4 % Safari 2.6 % Thing is this is a "nerd" forum, most people here know about computers, as for a other forum i go on... there are 6/300 and something people who use FF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gosselin Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Opera 7.4 % Safari 2.6 % Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonite Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Whenever I install Firefox on a machine I set it as the default browser and delete the desktop shortcut to IE. Users will just use the default always. Did they ask you to change it/install Firefox? If not, I don't approve of converting people this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dud Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 (edited) Did they ask you to change it/install Firefox? If not, I don't approve of converting people this way. I was thinking the same thing. You don't just go around messing with people's personal stuff without their permission. It's rude and shows a lack of maturity, plus you don't know their reasons. What if they preferred Opera, Safari, or IE7? He shouldn't force his opinions on others. It took me a while to get used to Firefox. Actually, if IE7 had been released just three months earlier, I would probably still be using Maxthon (which I would still switch back to in a second if Firefox started to annoy me) to this day. I got an ugly virus due to an IE6 vulnerability, and that event caused me to switch. Edited August 18, 2007 by Unwonted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveMasterT Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 On the websites I run, visitors using FF are about 3-5% depending on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halcyoncmdr Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Browser usage on Neowin Firefox 49.4 % Internet explorer 37.5 % Opera 7.4 % Safari 2.6 % I say that goes into the monthly reports as well :) (Y) +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolvi Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Firefox was the first browser that I used that actually had me stick with it. I had tried the other IE-type ones, Opera, Netscape, etc. but I liked using Firefox. When IE7 came out I actually stuck with it since it did what I needed out of a browser and didn't balloon the memory usage. I'm interested in seeing what Firefox 3 will have to offer, since 1 was such an improvement over IE6.Kind of off-topic, pages like this make me laugh and not come back to sites that use it: I was just looking for information on the OSx86 project when I got the error. I didn't need the information that bad. LOL So IE is "insecure." Well, I guess it does make sense that the insecurity comes from constant and the ease of crashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stup0t Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I use IE 7 at home, used to use maxthon as it was quick and used little resources, but I got rid as I couldn't be bothered messing around. I use IE7 at work for using citrix and other business applications. But for general web usage at work I used Firefox Portable as it keeps my work profile size down. Its also good for masking my web usage from the bosses :) I am kind of thinking going to maxthon 2.... but who knows lol :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbytomorow Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I switched from IE to FF a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Now every build I do for others I install FF and remove IE from the desktop\start menu. I've had zero complaints and a lot of, "wow! I love Firefox", comments. I also use Opera for what its worth but you just can't beat FF when it comes to all of those plug-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_Naruto Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Completely makes sense and I doubt it will ever get much better. The things that make Firefox so great are the extensions/customization and the vast majority of people will never use any of them. Think beyond your geek enclave to the wider world of average joes, almost none of them give a crap about Download Statusbar, NoScript, FlashGot, Greasemonkey, IE Tab..etc. We all know that these things are what make FireFox great, but most people have no idea and are not going to be willing to learn or care. As much as it sucks this is just how it is. Ultimately most people want their computer to be as complicated as their TV, anything beyond turning it on and watching it is too much. K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) is just the way it is. Hmm, you make a good point. Sometimes I try to explain to friends about things you can do on firefox and they just space out. Or they'd ask me what browser I am using and I'd say "firefox" and they'd be like "How'd you make it look like that?" In other words, never taking the time to figure stuff out (like theme and extensions), so they thing it's just an other browser like IE. I switched from IE to FF a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Now every build I do for others I install FF and remove IE from the desktop\start menu. I've had zero complaints and a lot of, "wow! I love Firefox", comments. I also use Opera for what its worth but you just can't beat FF when it comes to all of those plug-ins. Same here, and yeah I do the exact same thing for friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnDewCodeRedFreak Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I have used IE7 and Firefox and to be honest, I would prefer IE7. If there is a computer that I use at a school/college campus lab, then I'd use IE6. The universities I attend have either Deep Freeze installed or login to their Novell server. Last year, I used Firefox in the business lab - omg, it's so slow as molasses .... you'd just sit down at the chair, click on the Firefox icon, and it pulls up a browser window and it starts to load, load, load .... after a while you'd get up, walk to the bathroom and p*ss in the urinal (or toliet if you're female), wash your hands, get out, maybe stop by at the water fountain to get a drink of water or buy pop at the vending machine, come back to the lab, find that it's still loading by the time you sit down, and the moment you set your ass down on your chair, it finally finishes loading and you're ready to go. I checked the computer specs and it's decent - Dell OptiPlex GT-something (desktop-style with the monitor sitting on top iof it, not the tower kind) -- and twas new, they got it in fall '05 -- 3.0 GHz P4, 1.0 GB RAM, and Win XP Pro w/ SP2 ... very minimal number of processes running in the task manager. I complained to the head of the lab, and she told me that Firefox goes through a WebSense filter in the server (thankfully the IT dept at my old university didn't bother blocking Facebook). I was like "oh jeez - can't you minimize the slowness of loading times or something?" in the most polite way possible and she told me she already tried doing that but couldn't due to the Websense filtering. I found it ironic to see that IE6 is still there in the lab computers and I tried loading that .... went just like that *snaps fingers*. I figured maybe IE6 was already configured with the Websense thing (hence the fast loading) while Firefox was JUST configured and maybe that's why Firefox's taking literally forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupersonic Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I'll toss in my 2 cents. I absolutely hate IE. I'm not one to worry about malware or popups or anything like that. The reason I don't use IE 7 is because it renders pages more slowly (on a university connection) than Firefox, Opera or any other browser. IE 6 didn't use to be like this. I've also found IE 7 takes up more RAM than Firefox or Opera, and takes longer to start (warm or cold starts). The last version of IE I used on a day-to-day basis was IE 5.5 (back in the Win 98 SE days). This is a pattern I notice on computers with less RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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