Neoauld Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 id like 2 use opera cause its faster BUT too many sites dont work properly in it Not as easy to customize No extensions No right click menus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diffstyle Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I have used Safari 3 and it sucks. The UI feels sluggish and slow, and I personally found that Apple tweaked Safari to make it run faster in tests, because in real world usage it felt slower than both Firefox and Opera on windows in general usage. Weird, i did tests with each browswer and on my machine safari was faster, guess it depends on what your running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I found a urlfilter.ini template for Opera online and copied that into my profile folder - it seems to work well. I'm giving Opera as a go as my default browser for a while. I like the Speed Dial feature, the better mouse gestures and the very smooth scrolling. One thing I miss is being able to select text and drag it into the address bar, something I used to do with Firefox quite a lot. Other than that it seems very positive. I've tried Opera in the past but I've always found myself going back to Firefox because of small niggles - we'll have to see whether it's any different this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 @The2: Ive been using Gmail since it came out. Ive always used opera and NEVER had a problem. The only thing opera cant do is GMAIL's new Color labels. But I dont use those anyway so it desnt bother me. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorph Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Firefox is the Swiss-army knife of browsers. It can do just about everything other browsers can do, plus hundreds of things other browsers can't do. It doesn't just allow me to browse, it allows me to customize the appearance of websites to make them look better to me. Everything from blocking annoying Javascript, ads and iFrames to letting me toggle CSS, work with online bookmark sites, or even switch rendering engines when a website is so broken it only supports one platform. Not only that, but it works in every OS I use and is portable. I use Internet Explorer for the crappy sites that *require* Internet Explorer, and Firefox for everything else. Why would I use another browser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinczej Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 The only thing I dont like about Opera is when you close a tab it goes back to the tab that opened it, not the one next to it. The content blocker isnt as flexible as AdBlock Plus but I can live without that.Once they fix the tab thing or give us an option to choose then I will prpbably use Opera. Is a fact, that in compatibility (less), in plugin-handling and developing tools (more) is FF better, than Opera. I can see Opera's ?main disadvantage in plugin handling. But in other aspect Opera has much more smooth flexibility (unlike to FF) in skins, custombuttons, layout, and many other things (like UserJavascript). And Opera many helpful sites, like OperaWiki and MyOpera. (My Opera Forum is much more usefule than any support sercvice) Now your problems: 1.You can drag and drop this buttons for your wishes (e.g. FF-like closing). 2. Operas built-in Adblock function is very flexible, I can compare it to FF's Adblock extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:: Lyon :: Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I used to use Opera, until I found Firefox and its very useful extensions that Opera doesn't have :) Otherwise, I like Opera better somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 i felt opera was too cluttered. trying to focus more on cramming a bunch of stuff into it, and not so much simple user interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 6, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 6, 2008 I started using Mozilla back when Opera was still ad-supported, never found a good reason to switch to it (and i used Opera 9 for testing on my mac, it rendering things differently for no real reason kinda annoyed me, like it adding a border around elements, or splitting forms onto 2 lines). I've always liked Firefox because it was solely the browser component (unlike Mozilla) and you could mix and match things though extensions, I don't need things like a widgets or BT support in the browser, i have other programs that do it much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlem39s Finest Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 i felt opera was too cluttered.trying to focus more on cramming a bunch of stuff into it, and not so much simple user interface. +1 extensions ftw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganinio Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 if a website has compatibility problems, it's more likely to work with Firefox, than Opera. As a loyal Opera user, I've seen more than 30 websites that simply don't work on Opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0sit0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I use them all just for testing websites but I tend to use FF more than any of them. Only reason I guess the wide range of useful extensions :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marfere Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Firefox is so much more customizable I think, it let's you choose addons, extension and themes to exactly fit your needs as a user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apul Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 firefox has greasemonkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolzee Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Firefox ftw! Totally agree with paganinio about the Opera website compatibility. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I love Opera - its so slick and fast and beautiful and nice and so on so on.. :p But without extensions it doesnt matter :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted January 6, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 6, 2008 I used Mozilla Firefox way back when it was still pretty fledgling as I really wanted an alternative to IE. At the time, Opera was a paid product so I wasn't interested in it. Since Opera has become free, i've yet to find a reason to need to switch. Nothing about Firefox annoys me, and I can use the same product on all the different platforms I use regularly (OSX, Windows, Linux, UNIX) - why would I want to go over to Opera when i'm content with Firefox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serious Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Opera Pros: + easy to customize + smooth and slick + great and complete out of the box + fully working mouse gestures, feed-reader and email client + slick design, easy to install skins Cons - site compatibility (few with 9.50b though) - no click-and-install addons, requires Explorer and a brain Firefox Pros: + childishly easy to customize + loads of addons + compabatible with almost all websites + great ad blocker Cons: - worthless out of the box - memory leakage - requires time to search, install and customize addons - needs reboot when installing skins - creeky scrolling, crappy mouse gesture addons NOTE 1: I've used both Opera and Firefox quite a while. NOTE 2: you can customize Opera toolbars, menus (right click for example) no matter what they say in this thread. It requires Explorer and Notepad though, so it's not as easy as with Firefox(?). And there IS a ad blocker in Opera. You download a urlfilter and place it in a directory and finished. FF on the other hand uses a addon with automated updates. What I choose? Opera as main browser, FF to read and edit codes with WebDeveloper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinczej Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I love Opera - its so slick and fast and beautiful and nice and so on so on.. :p But without extensions it doesnt matter :( I think, ?nothing relevant extension I miss, that Opera "extensions" (Custombuttons,Greasmonkey like UserJS ) or 3th party applications don't ?covers. ?And ?built-in ?Content Blocker isn't less comfortable, than FF's Adblock extension. ?And widgets cover some FF extensions, too.? Opera's problem, that the customizing nad plugin installing isn't so "trivial", than with FF. So I can accept, that for beginners is much easier to install FF's extensions and plugins, than Opera's. (Although Opera can use FF's plugin-directory with the path in opera:config).if one spends enough timetime to get to know Opera's finest, it won't return to FF (only as custombutton, lik:)InFF :) ), as I didn't, too. My conclusion: For me (after Opera) FF is too rough. I have FF on my computer for testing (and some incompatible sites) purpose, but I use always Opera.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinary Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 OperaPros: + easy to customize + smooth and slick + great and complete out of the box + fully working mouse gestures, feed-reader and email client + slick design, easy to install skins Cons - site compatibility (few with 9.50b though) - no click-and-install addons, requires Explorer and a brain Firefox Pros: + childishly easy to customize + loads of addons + compabatible with almost all websites + great ad blocker Cons: - worthless out of the box - memory leakage - requires time to search, install and customize addons - needs reboot when installing skins - creeky scrolling, crappy mouse gesture addons NOTE 1: I've used both Opera and Firefox quite a while. NOTE 2: you can customize Opera toolbars, menus (right click for example) no matter what they say in this thread. It requires Explorer and Notepad though, so it's not as easy as with Firefox(?). And there IS a ad blocker in Opera. You download a urlfilter and place it in a directory and finished. FF on the other hand uses a addon with automated updates. What I choose? Opera as main browser, FF to read and edit codes with WebDeveloper. Three cheers for listing opinions as facts, and then repeating them as well...opera is slick but..its slick too!! Also, what is this non sense of people being afraid to say they use ad block on firefox I use it, so there, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinczej Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Sorry, I can't send PM, serious. ?(I have an error message, I don't know, why...:(( ) In the 9.2 and previous versions you can simply drag and drop any link from page or address field to Startbar or to any other toolbar. In 9.5 it's a bit more complicated. You candrag simply> the link, but you must todrop it with the Shift key together>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFlow Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 *sigh* Here we go... Opera: Interface is very annoying Widgets are pointless, FireFox has MANY MORE add-ons that help A LOT more because they're made by THE COMMUNITY... Don't like how it loads images Don't like the whole loading process in general Its lacking themes Takes up more memory than FireFox (Correct me if I am wrong on this one) And its just personal preference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 OperaPros: + easy to customize + smooth and slick + great and complete out of the box + fully working mouse gestures, feed-reader and email client + slick design, easy to install skins Cons - site compatibility (few with 9.50b though) - no click-and-install addons, requires Explorer and a brain Firefox Pros: + childishly easy to customize + loads of addons + compabatible with almost all websites + great ad blocker Cons: - worthless out of the box - memory leakage - requires time to search, install and customize addons - needs reboot when installing skins - creeky scrolling, crappy mouse gesture addons NOTE 1: I've used both Opera and Firefox quite a while. NOTE 2: you can customize Opera toolbars, menus (right click for example) no matter what they say in this thread. It requires Explorer and Notepad though, so it's not as easy as with Firefox(?). And there IS a ad blocker in Opera. You download a urlfilter and place it in a directory and finished. FF on the other hand uses a addon with automated updates. What I choose? Opera as main browser, FF to read and edit codes with WebDeveloper. Spot on, although firefox 3 fixes the performance and memory leakage, opera is still faster and MUCH more feature complete and come in a smaller package. But it still seems iffy on some websites even with the weeklies. I've actually been using ie7 a bit lately too :o I really love it's ui layout and the way it does bookmarks. Also with ie7pro you get adblocking and mouse gestures. The only thing I don't like about it is the ui is just slow (unresponsive, even on a dual core with 4 gb ram), even slower than firefox 2. ANd it tends to really hang up on javascript heavy sites that firefox 3 and opera handle with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serious Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Three cheers for listing opinions as facts, and then repeating them as well...opera is slick but..its slick too!! Thanks for the cheers, but what's up? With the first slick i meant slick as in smooth, trouble less and easy (try compare the mouse gestures in Firefox with the ones in Opera and you'll see). With the second one I meant the actual design - i find it slick and comes with beautiful skins. Excuse my lack of English vocabulary, it's somewhat short. Presenting personal opinions as facts? What? I believe that most people have a mind of their own to determine what's personal opinions, and that most people can separate them from facts. Opera DOES have fully functioning mouse gestures, feed and email clients out of the box, Firefox doesn't. Firefox HAS tons of extensions, Opera has not. And by the way, I do believe this thread was supposed to be mostly based on personal opinions. For facts you can Google Firefox and Opera. But for anyone's information I added the FACTS that you CAN customize the menus in Opera. More than one asked earlier in this thread. Please attack everyone else who have participated in this thread too. I mean, what makes my post different from most others? Oh, perhaps i didn't add "personal reference"? OK, here it comes: every post in all threads I'll ever write in are from a personal point of view. Phu, I'm safe... vinczej Thanks for your reply, I got the PM to (actually three of them :p ) ViperAFK Thanks. Yeah, the compatibility issues are a huge drawback for Opera, although I've actully haven't found any problems what so ever with 9.50b... IE7Pro? Wow, I've somehow forgot about that one! I'll try it out right away! I find IE7 vanilla too stiff and "user unfriendly", perhaps Pro can change that somewhat. Thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN85 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Whoever comes up with "website compatibility" when talking about a browser does not have a clue as to what he's talking about. A browser does not have to be compatible with ANY website; it has to adhere to standards like w3c, which both opera and Firefox do a good job of. The website creators have to write proper code so that their websites work on these browsers. I was gonna write that I prefer Firefox to opera because it can block ads, and is more customizable, but apparently some posters above me stated that opera can also block ads, and you can customize it using a text editor or something. So I'll just say that opera comes with a ton of features that I will NEVER use, and its UI is sloppy and just feels like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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