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Ive also noticed a lot of people asking for questions about homework but I just think they're lazy. Searching it in Google usually comes up on the first page.

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I think they should be aloud to ask the question personally.

How we answer is a different matter though.

I think as a forum that HELPs people, we should be aloud to help them. However that help is not given by simply stating an answer, but more by giving the person advise and tools in order for them to find the answer themselves.

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I dont see the problem with help, but when you blatently come out and say "here's my test tell me a few answers" like the last example given by the original poster... wow...

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What exactly is the core problem here?

If the problem is that these threads get in the way of technical support threads then we could require those threads to be tagged with [Homework]. That way they'll be clearly listed in the Recent Forum Posts or the New/Active Posts lists.

If the problem is a moral objection that today kids can ask for help over the internet while I had to do things the hard way then that is a different problem and the above solution will not help.

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When I help in these types of threads (which is rare), I post through the thought process of solving the problem. I don't help people who just post the question they are assigned and ask for help without explaining the difficulty they are having (for example, how to deal with gravity when one object is falling downwards and the other is shot upwards).

Perhaps society is raising lazier kids who don't pay attention in class, don't ask their instructor for help, and just post on the forums? Or perhaps kids have always been lazy, it is just that you get instant answers from online forums like this - when, in the past, those types of kids would just fail. :p

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When I help in these types of threads (which is rare), I post through the thought process of solving the problem. I don't help people who just post the question they are assigned and ask for help without explaining the difficulty they are having (for example, how to deal with gravity when one object is falling downwards and the other is shot upwards).

Perhaps society is raising lazier kids who don't pay attention in class, don't ask their instructor for help, and just post on the forums? Or perhaps kids have always been lazy, it is just that you get instant answers from online forums like this - when, in the past, those types of kids would just fail. :p

My favorite thing one time back when I was learning networking, I asked for some help on understanding how to figure out subnetting... and someone yelled at me we dont help with homework... yet had nothing to do with school or anything else... just learning on my own... Subnet's can be confusing if you arn't explained it throughly... but just killed me someone jumped on it and assumed its homework because I was asking a question to better my knowladge...

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What exactly is the core problem here?

If the problem is that these threads get in the way of technical support threads then we could require those threads to be tagged with [Homework]. That way they'll be clearly listed in the Recent Forum Posts or the New/Active Posts lists.

If the problem is a moral objection that today kids can ask for help over the internet while I had to do things the hard way then that is a different problem and the above solution will not help.

The thing is that when they ask we should do what this forum does best and HELP them. That is to say that we should not give them the final answer, but just give them a way to find the answer themselves.

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The thing is that when they ask we should do what this forum does best and HELP them. That is to say that we should not give them the final answer, but just give them a way to find the answer themselves.

:yes:

Agreed!

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Just do what I do when I give help in my AP Comp Sci AB class. Do NOT give them the answer. Instead, give them tips on HOW to get the answer.

Thus, if someone post a pdf of question, instead of replying with "ZOMG DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK", ask them what they don't understand, and try to help them understand it.

I think as a forum that HELPs people, we should be aloud to help them. However that help is not given by simply stating an answer, but more by giving the person advise and tools in order for them to find the answer themselves.
When I help in these types of threads (which is rare), I post through the thought process of solving the problem. I don't help people who just post the question they are assigned and ask for help without explaining the difficulty they are having (for example, how to deal with gravity when one object is falling downwards and the other is shot upwards).
The thing is that when they ask we should do what this forum does best and HELP them. That is to say that we should not give them the final answer, but just give them a way to find the answer themselves.

It think we know the best way to reply to those kinds of posts now, and most people seem to agree it's the best way ;) (Y)

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The problem is that these days, a lot of quizzes/tests are being done online, even at the high school level (though these usually only matter for a total of 5% of a mark for a term). Helping for homework is one thing, but once we are actually contributing to marks versus the actual learning process is when it starts going wrong.

And I also agree, if we do have to help, it's best to aid the through the process, rather than show them the end without the means to do it.

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The people who ask for answers here probably dont want to know how to get there. The just want the answer because their homework is due in the next day. Its better to aid them but I reckon they couldnt care less.

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I agree, it is on the verge of plagiarism. I hope in those essays/homework it was properly referenced :p

Neowin.net, 2007,Thread xxxxyyyy, Availible: http://neowin.net/xxxxxxxxx (29th October 2007)

Do your own homework or look it up in books or ask the teacher, attempt the question, do your best and then speak with the teacher/lecturer the next day.

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Theres HELP and then theres i'm lazy and i will get people to do it for me. And this is the way it's going

HELP would be if i have x and add it to y i get z is that correct

This is not what people are asking for, they are basically saying do it for me

The last link you posted is a perfect example of this. The OP put up his whole test asking for people to do it for him.

I understand that people need help on certain things, but asking people to do you homework for you really doesn't help you learn. :/

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As long as the person who ask for help learns and can apply the steps for the other math problems they have then I see no problem with helping people. Its the same as going to see the teacher after class and asking for help. The teacher will still do the problem and explain it along the way helping the student, the teacher wont do all the problems... duh and people here on neowin wont do the same.

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I agree, it is on the verge of plagiarism. I hope in those essays/homework it was properly referenced :p

Neowin.net, 2007,Thread xxxxyyyy, Availible: http://neowin.net/xxxxxxxxx (29th October 2007)

Do your own homework or look it up in books or ask the teacher, attempt the question, do your best and then speak with the teacher/lecturer the next day.

It's plagiarism plain and simple. Unless the replies are cryptic and get the OP to thing through to getting the answer, it shouldn't be accepted.

I admit, I have created a thread asking for maths help, but I was truly and all I needed was a starting point. If only the other people asking for help would accept that instead of asking people to do a whole assignment for them.

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If someone asks a maths/whatever problem, I think it's alright if they help them understand the question to find the answer. If they give them the answer straight out, then they don't learn anything.

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lets add another topic to my list. This is getting stupid this is a prime example of what i am on about

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=600596

I came across that topic before I found this one - so I did help him a little bit, but for the rest of it, I agree with you, as I've stated in the topic itself;
ehhrm, to be honest - the answers should be in any textbook... I'm studying biology at university, but these questions were certainly answered in my high school books - maybe not the phylum ones, but there should be a diagram or something where you can see in a blink of an eye what you're trying to look for.

Like tunafish stated, you're not asking for HELP - you're asking for answers... Help is when you've tried to solve something, or you can't comprehend something and you want it to be clarified - not plain answers... it's like HELP WHAT IS 2+3? You're expecting "5" as an answer, an that's not helping, that's 'do my homework' - I would've been more willing to help if you went like "why is 2+3=5 and not 6 like I am getting/thinking?"

I think we should crack down on the "give me the answers"-topics and stick to "I've tried everything, can't figure it out, please help me"-topics (in which the poster like, states what he/she has tried or something)

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Perhaps society is raising lazier kids who don't pay attention in class, don't ask their instructor for help, and just post on the forums? Or perhaps kids have always been lazy, it is just that you get instant answers from online forums like this - when, in the past, those types of kids would just fail. :p

Nah, they're only a minority. Life's failures used to just fail, now they post on the internet as well.

The thing is that when they ask we should do what this forum does best and HELP them. That is to say that we should not give them the final answer, but just give them a way to find the answer themselves.
The people who ask for answers here probably dont want to know how to get there. The just want the answer because their homework is due in the next day. Its better to aid them but I reckon they couldnt care less.

I agree, assuming it's a specific "I'm stuck with this bit" and not a "I didn't attend my classes and I'm too lazy to catch up".

I find these threads annoying, and I might tell people in them.. I mean threads where it looks like the person is being really lazy. I'm not *that* bothered though. It's natural selection at work - these people will fail their exams and end up in the jobs they deserve, or at least jobs that don't use that subject.

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It's that age old question, I mean if you were really stuck, and no one you knew could help, why not go onto a forum with intelligent peers and superiors for help? Whether they get help or not, it's not going to matter come exam time.

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It's that age old question, I mean if you were really stuck, and no one you knew could help ...
You mean, like your teacher? Or other students in that class who are doing well?
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