Huleboeren Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Not sure what this guy is talking about, I know PLENTY of FTP's and Torrents with PS3 games on them... according to the folks who download from them, they work just fine...Not bad for a console with 'no games' but BAD for a console that has been out as long as it has been. Not sure what your guys are talking about - there are plenty of PS3 'backups' out there on the internets but no way to play them And its only been a year? :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerus Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yeah, how many times can one download Motorstorm :rofl: haha, ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briangw Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I've got 14 games for my PS3. Thats not bad for a console with 'No games'. Still, compared to other consoles, it's pretty bad :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 31, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted October 31, 2007 Still, compared to other consoles, it's pretty bad :D 14 purchased games within the first 6 months? (ReAnimation is from the UK) I don't think thats shabby at all. I probably couldn't even afford that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yeah it is a little annoying.Let me put up a little comparison of what I feel its like. If I were to go into the 360 section and say "every 360 manufactured before 2007/or in the first batch will RROD at somepoint"... people wouldn't be happy with that. I'd probably be told im talking nonsense... how would I reply? well... "I didn't REALLY mean EVERY 360, what I meant is it might as well be every 360 as a high % of them are at a high risk". Sound familiar? The daftest thing are these complaints are really short term moans owners may/will be disgruntled at but get over eventually, but "certain" people will blow trumpets at the complaints for as long as possible/take them out of context. RROD solution - All RROD'ing consoles replaced/fixed, new models supposedly won't suffer at all. PS3 Lineup - Will obviously grow stronger over time, and we know what games to expect to do well. Bear in mind I typed up that little comparison to try and show how it feels, not to directly compare lineup issues vs hardware issues. They are in a different league, cause differing levels of grief, and are remedied in different ways. ^ My personal feeling are that hardware issues are more concerning than a slow software start. You may feel differently of course. Ps3 has no games that make me feel its worth shelling out for currently However that's not to say I won't get a ps3 just i'm in no hurry to get one. once the next MGS and final fantasy games come out then yes I'll probably be looking to get a ps3 Also Yes a lot of 360's RROD, mine hasn't so far but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noveed Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 No games. Nice list but not all are out yet. Main Reasons for the PS3 not to be affected by Piracy are: 1. Still secure (duh!) as of yet it has not been able to get modified (Hardware/software based mod) (yes there is a mod which will allow you to play backed up PS2 games but that involves voiding the warrenty) 2. Sony learned from the Mistakes of the PSP, if it had started the same as the PSP then yes you would most likely see CFW on it by now. 3. Blu-Ray Discs are expensive 4. PS3 lacks "Blockbuster", "Epic", "unreal", "immense" (call them whatever) titles at THIS POINT OF TIME. ... 5. PS3 still remains one of the most expensive consoles in the market, not many people i know have one. (i do ;) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 both PS3 and 360 have very little in the way of "copy games". don't know how many of you spend time in asia, but if the motherlode don't have it then it doesn't exist in the realm of piracy. where's jianbing when i need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 There really is only 1 reason Piracy has not hit the PS3. And that is because Bluray burners cost a lot of money and hardly any "pirate" has a Bluray burner. Also consider the games are like 15-30GB in size. It would take a long time for the very few pirates who do own Bluray burners to trade those size files around. The reason for the XBOX360 is different. XBOXLive hard-banning boxes from playing online has kept casual pirates away for fear of having a offline-only console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Nice list but not all are out yet.Main Reasons for the PS3 not to be affected by Piracy are: 1. Still secure (duh!) as of yet it has not been able to get modified (Hardware/software based mod) (yes there is a mod which will allow you to play backed up PS2 games but that involves voiding the warrenty) 2. Sony learned from the Mistakes of the PSP, if it had started the same as the PSP then yes you would most likely see CFW on it by now. 3. Blu-Ray Discs are expensive 4. PS3 lacks "Blockbuster", "Epic", "unreal", "immense" (call them whatever) titles at THIS POINT OF TIME. ... 5. PS3 still remains one of the most expensive consoles in the market, not many people i know have one. (i do ;) ) 4. So if a real blockbuster title came out pirates would suddenly work harder and better cracking the firmware? :huh: Change #4 to size of PS3 games. They take up half the bandwidth available of some peoples monthly plans.. both PS3 and 360 have very little in the way of "copy games". don't know how many of you spend time in asia, but if the motherlode don't have it then it doesn't exist in the realm of piracy. where's jianbing when i need him? Its not that complicated playing pirated games on the X360 - and there are plenty of backups out there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 There really is only 1 reason Piracy has not hit the PS3. And that is because Bluray burners cost a lot of money and hardly any "pirate" has a Bluray burner. Also consider the games are like 15-30GB in size. It would take a long time for the very few pirates who do own Bluray burners to trade those size files around.The reason for the XBOX360 is different. XBOXLive hard-banning boxes from playing online has kept casual pirates away for fear of having a offline-only console. Why do people keep bringing up Blu-Ray Burners. The PS3 uses an OS very similar to the PSP, all it needs is homebrew to be cracked then an isoloader can be made, Also just because Blu-Ray discs are 25 and 50Gb doesnt mean games are that large, and finally just because you wouldnt download 15-30Gb files doesnt mean other people wont, i have a 20mb net connection and i can get 15Gb in just under 2 hours if i wanted to, its hardly a chore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin-ergy Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 ^ Well that's nice but most people don't have connection speeds that high. And I bet a lot of us also have monthly caps. I went over my 60gb limit for October :( I hope I don't get charged for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Why do people keep bringing up Blu-Ray Burners. The PS3 uses an OS very similar to the PSP, all it needs is homebrew to be cracked then an isoloader can be made, Also just because Blu-Ray discs are 25 and 50Gb doesnt mean games are that large, and finally just because you wouldnt download 15-30Gb files doesnt mean other people wont, i have a 20mb net connection and i can get 15Gb in just under 2 hours if i wanted to, its hardly a chore. You do realise not everyone has a connection that big, right? And many people are restricted by caps. Im on a 6mb connection with no cap - but right now, downloading and burning such huge games are just too much of a hassle for me.. Not that Id ever do it :p But the games being that big is definitely a positive thing against piracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 People sit and download 7-8Gb of Xbox 360 ISOs, PS3 ISOs are not that much bigger, just because you dont have a fast connection doesnt mean other people dont, there are lots of people in america with fast connections, sweden, japan, even the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Why do people keep bringing up Blu-Ray Burners. The PS3 uses an OS very similar to the PSP, all it needs is homebrew to be cracked then an isoloader can be made, Also just because Blu-Ray discs are 25 and 50Gb doesnt mean games are that large, and finally just because you wouldnt download 15-30Gb files doesnt mean other people wont, i have a 20mb net connection and i can get 15Gb in just under 2 hours if i wanted to, its hardly a chore. I also have a 20MB connection. How often do you max that connection. Just because you have 20MB download doesnt mean you have 20MB upload. And infact my Upload is only 786KB/ps which means everyone on a PS3 torrent is going to have super-fast download and ****-poor download and no Bluray burners to burn the discs. What do you expect people to do stick ISOs on a Sony Memory stick like the PSP? Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I also have a 20MB connection. How often do you max that connection. Just because you have 20MB download doesnt mean you have 20MB upload. And infact my Upload is only 786KB/ps which means everyone on a PS3 torrent is going to have super-fast download and ****-poor download and no Bluray burners to burn the discs. You dont have to get stuff using torrents, there are plenty of other places including Usenet where you dont need upload speed at all, why would a torrent have crap speeds? there are plenty of people in the world with fast connections to seed torrents...not everything is hosted in the UK. My friend rents a server in america that has 100mb up and down for downloading. What do you expect people to do stick ISOs on a Sony Memory stick like the PSP? Get real. Erm? The PS3 has a 40/60/80Gb internal hdd put the games on there? The only reason you put ISOs on memory stick for PSP is because it has no internal storage, you wouldnt need memory sticks for the PS3? Not to mention the HDD is user upgradeable which means you can put any size hdd you want in to store ISOs. Try thinking before you type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctebah Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 haha some pretty dumb replies. reasons like no games and that not enough ps3 owners is a very ignorant reply. if ps3 had as much market as apple, i could understand why but they have much more market. the obvious reason is that sony made a console that is very hard to mod and basically doesn't break down. i mean if you want a funny statistic go compare the ammount 360's that went dead vs the ammount of ps3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 You dont have to get stuff using torrents, there are plenty of other places including Usenet where you dont need upload speed at all, why would a torrent have crap speeds? there are plenty of people in the world with fast connections to seed torrents...not everything is hosted in the UK. My friend rents a server in america that has 100mb up and down for downloading.Erm? The PS3 has a 40/60/80Gb internal hdd put the games on there? The only reason you put ISOs on memory stick for PSP is because it has no internal storage, you wouldnt need memory sticks for the PS3? Not to mention the HDD is user upgradeable which means you can put any size hdd you want in to store ISOs. Try thinking before you type. And how do you get the games from your PC to the PS3? - Oh wait, Remove the Hard Disk, Open your PC, place it inside, copy a game over, take it out your PC then put it back in the PS3? haha I mean seriously, you almost sound like you are trying to come up with any reason to make piracy on the PS3 happen. Neowin does not condone piracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted November 2, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted November 2, 2007 And how do you get the games from your PC to the PS3? - Oh wait, Remove the Hard Disk, Open your PC, place it inside, copy a game over, take it out your PC then put it back in the PS3? haha I mean seriously, you almost sound like you are trying to come up with any reason to make piracy on the PS3 happen. Neowin does not condone piracy. Uh... Put game on external drive, take external drive to PS3, plug in external drive, play from external drive/copy to PS3 drive and play. ^ That's what pirates will really want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 And how do you get the games from your PC to the PS3? - Oh wait, Remove the Hard Disk, Open your PC, place it inside, copy a game over, take it out your PC then put it back in the PS3? Or you just use an Ethernet cable, or linux, or a USB HDD, there are a plethora of ways of transferring files other than removing the hdd. haha I mean seriously, you almost sound like you are trying to come up with any reason to make piracy on the PS3 happen. Yes because what i say will influence wether piracy will happen on the PS3 or not</sarcasm> Neowin does not condone piracy. Who cares, no one is telling people where to get warez or how to make warez work on the PS3, im just putting right misinformation that people like yourself spew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 uhh... it's getting a bit out of hand and crazy... though there are valid points from all directions, i would like to add another. blu-ray burner, while expensive, is not really the issue at hand. burners, being cheap as they are today, are really the concern for casual pirates. in asian countries, they literally manufacture/stamp the disks in mass quantity. so in the bigger picture of things, it's not really because blu-ray burners are expensive. (if any of you can recall way back, dvd burners were pricey, but there were plenty of pirated ps2 games available because they were stamped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 reason 5 and I think the most important... NO GAMES! :p :rofl: i was gonna say that. there arnt any games to pirate! which also means its not worth the money to mod, because your getting less then u pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDQuiksilver Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yeah, there isn't one single game available for the Playstation 3. So how could they pirate it? With "no" games it would be hard, huh? :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Yeah, there isn't one single game available for the Playstation 3. So how could they pirate it? With "no" games it would be hard, huh? :sleep: i guess you didnt understand what i was saying. the thing people complain the most about the ps3 is lack of games, chances are that there are only a few out right now that you love playing. so...since there is so little games that you would like, you would be spending more modding it and getting copys of the games, then the total cost of games retail. so... you might as well buy the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrabyte1000 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 i think one of the important things to remember is that these next gen systems are still in there infancy and no where near the 120 million units sold mark that the ps2 has hit also most people buy pirated games to avoid spending lots of money meaning they are cheap (not meant as an insult ( i havn't bought a music cd in ten years) so im sure the cost of the new systems is detering the demand for pirated games and since it is a business of supply and demand until those 120 million ps2 owners finally upgrade to the ps3 and i believe they will eventually thats when we will see pirated games i think there are decent games worth pirating for the ps3 (motorstorm, juiced 2, assassins creed, dirt, i own all) and others i dont own but when the target market is less than 20% of the previous generation bootlegs just are not a wise investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaCrip Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 i aint read the main article yet but i can almost guarantee one of the "obvious" ones is "blu-ray" since the discs etc cost to much. but as of right now there aint many good games on the ps3 if you ask me.... this time around i think the XBox360 is in much better shape ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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