Wal-mart employee leaks secret PS3 + Blu-ray movies sale


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Well movies or not.. the fact is that a consumer still has to pay $400. If they had it at $200 + 5 free movies.. NOW THAT would be a deal.. but this is nothing more but more free movies in the already expensive pack. The fact is that gamer still doesn't games. They get freakin' movies and no sane Walmart customer will spend $400 on PS3 as Blu-Ray player.

This is nothing really. Good deal to get more free movies, that's about it.

I'll tell you what's a deal.. $169 HD DVD A3 player with 10 free movies and $199 HD DVD A3 with 10 free movies at Best Buy. That's a DEAL!

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Well movies or not.. the fact is that a consumer still has to pay $400. If they had it at $200 + 5 free movies.. NOW THAT would be a deal.. but this is nothing more but more free movies in the already expensive pack. The fact is that gamer still doesn't games. They get freakin' movies and no sane Walmart customer will spend $400 on PS3 as Blu-Ray player.

This is nothing really. Good deal to get more free movies, that's about it.

I'll tell you what's a deal.. $169 HD DVD A3 player with 10 free movies and $199 HD DVD A3 with 10 free movies at Best Buy. That's a DEAL!

Isn't that the point? They're clearly marketing it as a Blu Ray player as well. People who were on the fence about getting a PS3 are going to jump all over it now. You're really scratching for arguable points but you fall short.

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I doubt it will make a big difference. The price is still fairly high and most PS3 owners don't use it for movies.

Good luck to them, but they need to lower prices for the players themselves.

Instead of posting something that makes no sence, you should try to understand this sale from a different angle.

you're STILL paying the same old price that people are paying for ps3's only NOW, you get 15 FREE blu-ray movies. so if a person wasn't using their ps3 for a blu-ray player this far, they sure are going to now.

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Isn't that the point? They're clearly marketing it as a Blu Ray player as well. People who were on the fence about getting a PS3 are going to jump all over it now. You're really scratching for arguable points but you fall short.

Again, even though is the most feature supported (possibly) player, what's the point when you can get an HD DVD player for $100. I don't know why you are having problems with my arguments. For a gamer the PS3 at $400 is again not a huge deal. Actually it's not deal. Getting movies again does nothing for gamer as well. It just feels they are completely lost in their strategies anymore.

Just read Stringer comments recently and you will understand that they are completely in a hard position and instead of, as he says it, improving PS3 as a gaming platform they continue to push it a player. I don't see this as a deal at all. If I was in the market for a ps3 it wouldn't really matter a lot if I wanted the PS3 for gaming. I still pay what I pay everywhere else, the only difference I get movies. Big deal. If I'm a consumer looking for hi-def player, I'm better off with HD DVD for much less money and pretty much same amount of movies? Don't you think?

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Instead of posting something that makes no sence, you should try to understand this sale from a different angle.

you're STILL paying the same old price that people are paying for ps3's only NOW, you get 15 FREE blu-ray movies. so if a person wasn't using their ps3 for a blu-ray player this far, they sure are going to now.

Um, that makes no sense either. People are barely buying the PS3 as it is, blu-ray player or otherwise. So if a person wasn't using their ps3 for a blu-ray player this far...um...what? This does nothing for those people, since they've already purchased the PS3, and aren't eligible for the offer. So, pre-existing customers are going to suddenly start using their PS3 as a blu-ray player...because others are getting a ton of free movies?

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Um, that makes no sense either. People are barely buying the PS3 as it is, blu-ray player or otherwise. So if a person wasn't using their ps3 for a blu-ray player this far...um...what? This does nothing for those people, since they've already purchased the PS3, and aren't eligible for the offer. So, pre-existing customers are going to suddenly start using their PS3 as a blu-ray player...because others are getting a ton of free movies?

barely bying a ps3 as it is? care to prove that to me?

and you mistook what i was trying to say, i wasn't taking about the previous owners of ps3 but rather new ones.

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barely bying a ps3 as it is? care to prove that to me?

and you mistook what i was trying to say, i wasn't taking about the previous owners of ps3 but rather new ones.

I didn't 'mistook' anything. How can this;

...so if a person wasn't using their ps3 for a blu-ray player this far, they sure are going to now.

possibly refer to new PS3 owners? Or is English not your native language?

Nevermind, I've just remembered why I don't normally even look in the Gamer forums... :rolleyes:

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Again, even though is the most feature supported (possibly) player, what's the point when you can get an HD DVD player for $100. I don't know why you are having problems with my arguments. For a gamer the PS3 at $400 is again not a huge deal. Actually it's not deal. Getting movies again does nothing for gamer as well. It just feels they are completely lost in their strategies anymore.

Just read Stringer comments recently and you will understand that they are completely in a hard position and instead of, as he says it, improving PS3 as a gaming platform they continue to push it a player. I don't see this as a deal at all. If I was in the market for a ps3 it wouldn't really matter a lot if I wanted the PS3 for gaming. I still pay what I pay everywhere else, the only difference I get movies. Big deal. If I'm a consumer looking for hi-def player, I'm better off with HD DVD for much less money and pretty much same amount of movies? Don't you think?

go away boz, dont' bring that avs forums bs here......

your problem is that you read others peoples comments too much, and the ammount of bs in your posts is huge. everyone here knows you're pro hd-dvd, you posting in a thread that has ANYTHING to do with blu-ray is basically irrelevant.

I come home after work every night and one of the things im looking forward to is seeing if you wrote anything stupid or pro-hddvd today. then me and my roomates laugh. you thrash thread non-stop until someone puts you into your place.

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go away boz, dont' bring that avs forums bs here......

your problem is that you read others peoples comments too much, and the ammount of bs in your posts is huge. everyone here knows you're pro hd-dvd, you posting in a thread that has ANYTHING to do with blu-ray is basically irrelevant.

I come home after work every night and one of the things im looking forward to is seeing if you wrote anything stupid or pro-hddvd today. then me and my roomates laugh. you thrash thread non-stop until someone puts you into your place.

You have no idea how ridiculous your post looks. And who exactly puts me in my place? And you are certainly neither old enough, experienced enough or knowledgable enough to tell me to go away. Only mods can do that. Facts and reality are everything I talk about, please point out where I said something that was proven untre. I will definitely admit it if that's the case if you can find it at all. On the other hand, pretty much your EVERY post is to flame, without an ounce of arguments or facts (regular BDA tactic so I'm not surprised).

Btw, AVS Forum is highly valued and respected community which has been supported by the same CE companies that support your unfinished format of choice. People there have more experience and contacts within the industry far more then you would even think. And the community there is mostly HD DVD oriented as well as they know what's up. You say absolutely NOTHING valuable with absolutely no reasonable comments but BDA marketing documents and propaganda. Please don't address me in the future as I will report you to mods for just posting to flame me and incite fight. Grow up, if you can't post with arguments, then don't post at all and stick to your Blu-Ray.com please.

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You have no idea how ridiculous your post looks. And who exactly puts me in my place? And you are certainly neither old enough, experienced enough or knowledgable enough to tell me to go away. Only mods can do that. Facts and reality are everything I talk about, please point out where I said something that was proven untre. I will definitely admit it if that's the case if you can find it at all. On the other hand, pretty much your EVERY post is to flame, without an ounce of arguments or facts (regular BDA tactic so I'm not surprised).

Btw, AVS Forum is highly valued and respected community which has been supported by the same CE companies that support your unfinished format of choice. People there have more experience and contacts within the industry far more then you would even think. And the community there is mostly HD DVD oriented as well as they know what's up. You say absolutely NOTHING valuable with absolutely no reasonable comments but BDA marketing documents and propaganda. Please don't address me in the future as I will report you to mods for just posting to flame me and incite fight. Grow up, if you can't post with arguments, then don't post at all and stick to your Blu-Ray.com please.

I wouldn't say the AVS Forum is "mostly HD DVD oriented".

The majority in that community is a lot more level-headed then you are. :rolleyes:

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I didn't 'mistook' anything. How can this;

possibly refer to new PS3 owners? Or is English not your native language?

Nevermind, I've just remembered why I don't normally even look in the Gamer forums... :rolleyes:

Actually the word mistook was proper grammar in the context in which he used it.

So in this case I'd have to call your language skills into question.

go away boz, dont' bring that avs forums bs here......

your problem is that you read others peoples comments too much, and the ammount of bs in your posts is huge. everyone here knows you're pro hd-dvd, you posting in a thread that has ANYTHING to do with blu-ray is basically irrelevant.

I come home after work every night and one of the things im looking forward to is seeing if you wrote anything stupid or pro-hddvd today. then me and my roomates laugh. you thrash thread non-stop until someone puts you into your place.

So by the same token since you're pro blu-ray doesn't that make any post of yours regarding anything related to HD-DVD irrelevant as well.

Always reverse the statement to point at ones self before posting.

I wouldn't say the AVS Forum is "mostly HD DVD oriented".

The majority in that community is a lot more level-headed then you are. :rolleyes:

Actually if you really look and tally up the figures a majority of the members there are in the HD-DVD camp.

To be honest I think at this point in the race it is stupid to just be part of one camp or the other hardware wise.

Though I will continue my support for HD-DVD being the more mature/stable/sound technology of the 2.

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I never understood the whole thing about buying movies.

You watch them once when you get them and then put them away for a few months or more and then maybe watch it again. At least I would. Once I see a movie I have no desire to watch it again anytime soon.

I would rather pay $3.00-$5.00 to go rent it and save myself $25.00.

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I never understood the whole thing about buying movies.

You watch them once when you get them and then put them away for a few months or more and then maybe watch it again. At least I would. Once I see a movie I have no desire to watch it again anytime soon.

I would rather pay $3.00-$5.00 to go rent it and save myself $25.00.

So you'd rather pay 20% of the price of the movie each time you want to watch it?

What if they don't have it in stock?

What if the copy you get from them is scratched and is unwatchable?

What if you're stuck at home with no car available and feel like watching something specific?

The money you pay to own the movie is a convenience fee shall we say?

It's the same as buying a console honestly. Why buy it when you can rent it when you want to play?

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As usual some people tear this apart and say it isn't a good deal :laugh:

How can getting 10 movies at a value of $30 = $300 NOT be a good deal. Plus you have the potential to get another 5 by mail.

You can even sell some of the movies you don't want (but that may be a bit harder if ebay and the likes is swamped with the titles)

For someone who wants a Blu Ray player, or a PS3 this is a great offer.

If you're soo set on HD-DVD of course you won't care about this deal, but cmon, don't try to say others won't be impressed by the value on offer.

And as for the PS3 not being a top end Blu Ray player, it's not far from it. It will be profile 1.1 compatible, it supports the top end resolutions, is HDMI compatible and has 7.1 surround sound. Supports upscaling of DVDs to 1080p as well.

Add to the pot also that the PS3 is going to become Divx supported, and that its already argubaly one of the best media hubs out there thanks to Tversity and the likes.

There is plently of reviews on the PS3 as a standalone player - http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1206ps3blu/

& more on google if you search.

It's hardly a budget entry. You can also pickup a remote if using a controller is a pain for yourself.

With standalone Blu Ray players around the same price as the PS3, and without movie bundles like this, it's daft not to take interest in this offer.

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As usual some people tear this apart and say it isn't a good deal :laugh:

If you're soo set on HD-DVD of course you won't care about this deal, but cmon, don't try to say others won't be impressed by the value on offer.

The bottom line is this.. you pay for the player pretty much MSRP. You get free movies. There is NO DEAL on a PS3 only freebies for movies. That's one thing.

PS3 is a game console, if you look at latest commercial all they do is promote games now or trying to promote the 7-8 games and mix them up so it seems like there are games. For someone who wants to buy PS3 to play games and doesn't even have an HDTV (hint: majority of public) movies are competely useless.

Thirdly, you are looking at things the wrong way when you say: "If you are soo set on HD DVD". It's not a matter if anyone is set on specifically on HD DVD. HD DVD technology is more mature, much MUCH cheaper and offers the same quality. It's not whether or not someone is SET on HD DVD, they want to watch movies in hi-definition, tell me, WHY, should they buy a PS3 for 4 times the price of HD DVD players (on sale of course, but still) or if you prefer 2x the price of PS3, ESPECIALLY when they get 5-10 movies free as well? For majority of people HD DVD or Blu-Ray is the same - it's hi-def video that they wait to go cheaper to buy. Regular person doesn't go and say "OH I love Blu-Ray and I think they will win so let me go and spend 4 times more on PS3 I don't need to watch movies".

It's just a flawed way of looking at things and has nothing to do with my personal preference either. This is how people think.

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Thirdly, you are looking at things the wrong way when you say: "If you are soo set on HD DVD". It's not a matter if anyone is set on specifically on HD DVD. HD DVD technology is more mature, much MUCH cheaper and offers the same quality. It's not whether or not someone is SET on HD DVD, they want to watch movies in hi-definition, tell me, WHY, should they buy a PS3 for 4 times the price of HD DVD players (on sale of course, but still) or if you prefer 2x the price of PS3, ESPECIALLY when they get 5-10 movies free as well? For majority of people HD DVD or Blu-Ray is the same - it's hi-def video that they wait to go cheaper to buy. Regular person doesn't go and say "OH I love Blu-Ray and I think they will win so let me go and spend 4 times more on PS3 I don't need to watch movies".

It's just a flawed way of looking at things and has nothing to do with my personal preference either. This is how people think.

HD DVD being more mature is your opinion. HD DVD can offer the same quality as Blu-Ray, but it's also possible for Blu-Ray to provide better quality than HD DVD, such as for longer movies, or movies that require a higher bitrate, or for higher quality audio tracks. Most HD DVD players are cheaper, but they also lack HDMI 1.3 for deep color. So if someone is looking for the absolute best quality they'll have to shell out the same price as a Blu-Ray player.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also forgot to point out that the $99 HD DVD sale you've been touting as the end to the war had absolutely no measureable impact on HD DVD media sales. It looks like a whole lot of those HD DVD players either ended up on eBay, or are being used as upscaling DVD players.

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add in multiple free movies, additional audio playback codecs, plus game play capabilities and all of a sudden this is a better deal. Its an apple to oranges comparison but in the end it still smoking.

You're assuming that everyone who wants to watch HD movies wants to play games also, which is a pretty ridiculous statement.

If you do want both, then yes, it's a killer deal, but if you just want to watch HD movies, then the $100 HDDVD player is still better because you get 5+ free movies depending where you go, so even if you tack on $300 for 10 more $30 movies, it's still cheaper than the $500 PS3 + 15 movies.

-Spenser

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add in multiple free movies, additional audio playback codecs, plus game play capabilities and all of a sudden this is a better deal. Its an apple to oranges comparison but in the end it still smoking.

Audio codecs have no bearing here. The average Joe is looking at the bottom line:

10 HD DVD Movies + HD DVD Player: $100+ tax

15 BD Movies + PS3 gaming console: $500+ tax

The A2s are obviously no longer available, and the A3 is $200+ tax with 5 movies, which doesn't compare. I'm addressing that this is not a "far better" deal that has been claimed. Being able to play games is relative to the person, so a gamer or the parents of a gamer would obviously be more inclined to go with the PS3 deal. However there are far more movie watchers than game players. I have no invested interest in either format, just that the bottom line, the A2 HD DVD deal was more tempting for me, and I'm a gamer.

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HD DVD being more mature is your opinion. HD DVD can offer the same quality as Blu-Ray, but it's also possible for Blu-Ray to provide better quality than HD DVD, such as for longer movies, or movies that require a higher bitrate, or for higher quality audio tracks. Most HD DVD players are cheaper, but they also lack HDMI 1.3 for deep color. So if someone is looking for the absolute best quality they'll have to shell out the same price as a Blu-Ray player.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also forgot to point out that the $99 HD DVD sale you've been touting as the end to the war had absolutely no measureable impact on HD DVD media sales. It looks like a whole lot of those HD DVD players either ended up on eBay, or are being used as upscaling DVD players.

1. HD-DVD is more mature. The term in this case means has been a recognized standard for longer. Are you arguing against the calendar?

2. Do you have the sales information for Wal-Mart that no one else has on the media? No? I didn't think so.

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1. HD-DVD is more mature. The term in this case means has been a recognized standard for longer. Are you arguing against the calendar?

2. Do you have the sales information for Wal-Mart that no one else has on the media? No? I didn't think so.

1. Being recognised as a format, does not make a product more mature, just as age does not determine one's maturity.

2. No I don't have access to Wal-mart's sales figures. That's why I said the sale had no MEASUREABLE impact on sales. ie. If it had an impact it was not measureable.

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HD DVD being more mature is your opinion. HD DVD can offer the same quality as Blu-Ray, but it's also possible for Blu-Ray to provide better quality than HD DVD, such as for longer movies, or movies that require a higher bitrate, or for higher quality audio tracks. Most HD DVD players are cheaper, but they also lack HDMI 1.3 for deep color. So if someone is looking for the absolute best quality they'll have to shell out the same price as a Blu-Ray player.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also forgot to point out that the $99 HD DVD sale you've been touting as the end to the war had absolutely no measureable impact on HD DVD media sales. It looks like a whole lot of those HD DVD players either ended up on eBay, or are being used as upscaling DVD players.

LOL, how is HD DVD not more mature please? It's not my opinion it's a FACT. The format has been on the market longer, has standardized specifications (something that Blu-Ray will get with Profile 2.0) and costs less to manufacture. On top of that it uses existing manufacturing for optical media production building on the existing mature technology. In addition to this you have combo discs that at this point in time actually cost the same as any Blu-Ray release or maybe a $1 more expensive and offer playback on both HD player and regular DVD player without the need to purchase another disc. Problems with combos are very rare as it is, but I have not had single one, so that's a BDA propaganda that has very little to do with reality of things.

HDMI 1.3 means absolutely nothing and read how many people are spitting on color reproduction on PS3 in game forum here. Specifically in Assasins Creed thread. So much for your deeper color argument. http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/10/13/ask-e...t-for-hdmi-1-3/ . HDMI 1.3 does nothing to improve in reality. Another paper specification to get consumers money.

It is absolutely not true that you will pay the same for absolutely highest quality. What does that mean. I have HD DVD A20 at 1080p, an HD DVD A3 at 1080i and HD DVD addon for Xbox 360 and my friend has HD DVD XA2 with ReonVX chip and we both have PS3. What does absolute highest quality means? PS3 is mediocre player any BD player supporting ReonVX will be head and shoulders better picture quality then PS3. But those cost from $700 to over a $1000 for Blu-Ray. You can get Toshiba HD-XA2 with ReonVX for $499 and Reon and the most significant difference will be noticable in upscaling. 1080i will look exactly the same as 1080p if you have half decent HDTV. This is completely irrelevant.

Btw, your average Blu-Ray standalone players are $400+ and are GARBAGE. The only one that can give you FLEXIBILITY as far as Profiles might be PS3 (but even that is not proven as there is still no Profile 1.1 update). Blu-Ray players, lack many things that HD DVD players have standard.

Here I'll put it to you this way. For HD DVD you get:

$100-$199 - 1080i full featured players with online connectivity, dual video encoders, losless sound (TrueHD and DD+ 1.5) decoded in the player and HDi interactivity -> 1080p de-interlaced by the TV (source is 1080)

$199-$250 - same as above + 1080p decoded in the player

$250-$500 - high end HD DVD players with all the bells and whistles and better video chips - 1080p, wider audio support

$700-$800 - Integra, Onkyo HD DVD players - high high end HD DVD players based on XA2 scheme but are not just rebadged XA2s. Much much better build. Quality stuff.

$1000+ - Probably upcoming Denon HD DVD player.

Let's see Blu-Ray

PS3 - $400 - a game console with Blu-ray video playback capability - no IR support for remotes, you have to buy a bluetooth remote, possiblity of upgrading to Profile 1.1 not yet done.

$500+ - All other low level Blu-Ray players - 1080p playback - inferior audio support, core decoding for TrueHD and DD+ 1.5 (meaning you need a compatible AV reciever). They are ALL Profile 1.0. Meaning that if you want to see extra features on the discs you will have to buy a new player.

$700-$1500 - Blu-Ray players that match performance of $250-$500 HD DVD players including XA2

As far as your comment on sales of $99. LOL. The influence of cheap HD DVD players that are being sold like HOTCAKES right now, from 100k players sold that weekend to a bunch of them being sold now at Best Buy and Sears for $199 and $169 with 10 free discs will be noticable after the holidays. People are just playng with their machines now or waiting to give htem as presents. It is completely narrowminded (and pretty normal for fanboy) to expect to see results immediately. As we've seen so far, HD DVD group has been silent and drawing their moves smart. If HD DVD base reaches a million player by end of this year, the end will be sooner then you think. I think they can do it.

Not to mention laptops at Walmart I saw for $890 for Toshiba laptop with HD DVD drive in it. Insane. Latest numbers show that HD DVD is outselling blu-ray drives in PCs 7:1 (I've read it somewhere so take it with a grain of salt, but the advantage is pretty significant anyways).

You are comforting yourself and running away from reality if you think that $99 and $150 players won't do anything to change the format wars. Studios are paying VERY close attention. I guarantee you that. Especially Warner.

Btw, this is one of the reason why I simply don't trust or support anything from Sony anymore. If they are capable of doing stuff like this where they are actually trying to cover up stuff, I can't even imagine what they are doing now. http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.pht...ce-fixing.phtml

man you know how to make me crack up. got scared and gonna run to the mods? is that something you learned over at the AVS forums? didn't that forum get shut down for a while for a bunch of bs and people threatning other people? yes, yes it did....

you sir are an idiot, fighting a battle that has been lost. telling me im PRO blu-ray. i've never said i'm pro blu-ray but i have posted against those that are nothing but pro hd-dvd.

as someone already mentioned this, the fact that with releases like Transformers and weeks after that BIG $100 hd-dvd sale numbers haven't changed, and hd-dvd doesn't have the means to fight blu-ray in terms of percentage numbers, i am starting to see where this whole war is going to go.

number of weeks blu-ray won this year: something like 47

number of weeks hd-dvd won this year: ZERO

watching boz post BS and insult people because of their age, then laugh: PRICELESS

go report me to the mods buddy, at least i don't bring the bs from other forums here to neowin...

Just read your posts, not only that you are uneducated, but you lack manners as well debating skills. You have done nothing but to insult showing yourself in a very clear light.

And btw, there's nothing insulting about pointing out that younger individuals might lack experience and maturity. Just look at yourself. You are immature, uneducated, lacks manners, have no clue about facts and is highly influenced by marketing and pr due to lack of reasoning skills and downright ignorance.

Take a hint from fellow members like Audioboxer or even Marty2003 (not really excited to say this) but he at least points out things on technical merits we can debate despite outlashes here and there.

And yes, I have reported you because obviously you can't discuss anything.

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