Wal-mart employee leaks secret PS3 + Blu-ray movies sale


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1)LOL, how is HD DVD not more mature please? It's not my opinion it's a FACT. The format has been on the market longer, has standardized specifications (something that Blu-Ray will get with Profile 2.0) and costs less to manufacture. On top of that it uses existing manufacturing for optical media production building on the existing mature technology. In addition to this you have combo discs that at this point in time actually cost the same as any Blu-Ray release or maybe a $1 more expensive and offer playback on both HD player and regular DVD player without the need to purchase another disc. Problems with combos are very rare as it is, but I have not had single one, so that's a BDA propaganda that has very little to do with reality of things.

HDMI 1.3 means absolutely nothing and read how many people are spitting on color reproduction on PS3 in game forum here. Specifically in Assasins Creed thread. So much for your deeper color argument. http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/10/13/ask-e...t-for-hdmi-1-3/ . HDMI 1.3 does nothing to improve in reality. Another paper specification to get consumers money.

It is absolutely not true that you will pay the same for absolutely highest quality. What does that mean. I have HD DVD A20 at 1080p, an HD DVD A3 at 1080i and HD DVD addon for Xbox 360 and my friend has HD DVD XA2 with ReonVX chip and we both have PS3. What does absolute highest quality means? PS3 is mediocre player any BD player supporting ReonVX will be head and shoulders better picture quality then PS3. But those cost from $700 to over a $1000 for Blu-Ray. You can get Toshiba HD-XA2 with ReonVX for $499 and Reon and the most significant difference will be noticable in upscaling. 1080i will look exactly the same as 1080p if you have half decent HDTV. This is completely irrelevant.

Btw, your average Blu-Ray standalone players are $400+ and are GARBAGE. The only one that can give you FLEXIBILITY as far as Profiles might be PS3 (but even that is not proven as there is still no Profile 1.1 update). Blu-Ray players, lack many things that HD DVD players have standard.

Here I'll put it to you this way. For HD DVD you get:

$100-$199 - 1080i full featured players with online connectivity, dual video encoders, losless sound (TrueHD and DD+ 1.5) decoded in the player and HDi interactivity -> 1080p de-interlaced by the TV (source is 1080)

$199-$250 - same as above + 1080p decoded in the player

$250-$500 - high end HD DVD players with all the bells and whistles and better video chips - 1080p, wider audio support

$700-$800 - Integra, Onkyo HD DVD players - high high end HD DVD players based on XA2 scheme but are not just rebadged XA2s. Much much better build. Quality stuff.

$1000+ - Probably upcoming Denon HD DVD player.

Let's see Blu-Ray

PS3 - $400 - a game console with Blu-ray video playback capability - no IR support for remotes, you have to buy a bluetooth remote, possiblity of upgrading to Profile 1.1 not yet done.

$500+ - All other low level Blu-Ray players - 1080p playback - inferior audio support, core decoding for TrueHD and DD+ 1.5 (meaning you need a compatible AV reciever). They are ALL Profile 1.0. Meaning that if you want to see extra features on the discs you will have to buy a new player.

$700-$1500 - Blu-Ray players that match performance of $250-$500 HD DVD players including XA2

As far as your comment on sales of $99. LOL. The influence of cheap HD DVD players that are being sold like HOTCAKES right now, from 100k players sold that weekend to a bunch of them being sold now at Best Buy and Sears for $199 and $169 with 10 free discs will be noticable after the holidays. People are just playng with their machines now or waiting to give htem as presents. It is completely narrowminded (and pretty normal for fanboy) to expect to see results immediately. As we've seen so far, HD DVD group has been silent and drawing their moves smart. If HD DVD base reaches a million player by end of this year, the end will be sooner then you think. I think they can do it.

Not to mention laptops at Walmart I saw for $890 for Toshiba laptop with HD DVD drive in it. Insane. Latest numbers show that HD DVD is outselling blu-ray drives in PCs 7:1. That's 7:1.

You are comforting yourself and running away from reality if you think that $99 and $150 players won't do anything to change the format wars. Studios are paying VERY close attention. I guarantee you that. Especially Warner.

Just read your posts, not only that you are uneducated, but you lack manners as well debating skills. You have done nothing but to insult showing yourself in a very clear light.

And btw, there's nothing insulting about pointing out that younger individuals might lack experience and immaturity. Just look at yourself. You are immature, uneducated, lacks manners, have no clue about facts and is highly influenced by marketing and pr due to lack of reasoning skills and downright ignorance.

Take a hint from fellow members like Audioboxes or even Marty2003 (not really excited to say this) but he at least points out things on technical merits we can debate despite outlashes here and there.

And yes, I have reported you because obviously you can't discuss anything.

Fine, I'll accept your arguments that HD DVD can be considered more mature, though I still believe it's a matter of opinion. The Blu-Ray specs are finalized. A players profile does not determine if it can play special features. The manufacturers are given the freedom to support whatever extra features they wish. The profiles only make certain features mandatory at certain dates.

I guess the need for deep color is subjective, just like any video quality. Just because color reproduction in a certain game is not that great it does not mean the technology is garbage.

Again, you state that $400 Blu-Ray players are garbage. That's your opinion. I won't argue that HD DVD players can be had for cheaper, but those players are lacking features. If you compare similarly specced HD DVD and Blu-Ray players you'll find the price gap isn't that big. In fact, Blu-Ray can be cheaper. At Amazon.com right now, compare Samsungs BD-P1400 Blu-Ray player ($339) and Toshiba's HD-A35 ($405). Both feature 1080p, HDMI 1.3, HDi/BD-Java, picture in picture, Same audio support and have ethernet ports. HD DVD isn't necessarily a lot cheaper than Blu-Ray. I don't argue that the difference between 1080p/i is negligible if yo have a decent TV set, but on TV's that arn't so great the picture can result in tearing.

In the end it's the media sales that will sway the studio's support, so I guess we'll see at the end of the holiday season if those HD DVD sales did have any impact.

Aww... those nice words make me not want to critisize you as much. You have my respect :)

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If disney's blu-ray movies are selling so well why the rumours of hd-dvd exlusive? :wacko:

There are no rumors of HD DVD exclusive. There are rumors of Disney going to HD DVD, which most likely means supporting both formats. Besides, these are just rumors, although dual-format support would be the best for both consumers and Disney.

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My first question is: what Blu-ray movies will be available at Wal-Mart when I try to pick one of these fine deals up on Friday? If it is a bunch of ****-flix than I'm really not interested. To be perfectly honest, I would rather the PS3 be bundled with 5 games for that price rather than 15 Blu-ray movies... I don't have much of an interest in seeing the same movie more than once. That is why I don't own any movies...

As for the format war, I doubt either format will truly "win" over the other format before the "next big thing" comes out. In fact, I doubt total sells of Blu-ray+HDDVD will top DVD sells before the "next big thing" comes out. We will also be seeing combined Blu-ray and HDDVD players out before to long. I bet there will always be studios backing one format exclusively over the other.

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There are no rumors of HD DVD exclusive. There are rumors of Disney going to HD DVD, which most likely means supporting both formats. Besides, these are just rumors, although dual-format support would be the best for both consumers and Disney.

Yeah, the latest is that Disney voted to APPROVE the TL51 HD DVD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/di...a_Approval.html

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God... 10 movies at $30 or less, that's a maximum value of 300... :blink:

Plus 5 movies by the mail? All these movie alone make the cost of another PS3...

So it's almost like getting the PS3 free :rofl:

It's also like getting a bunch of Blu-Ray movies free with a PS3.

Can't be playing Blu-Ray movies without a PS3 can we?

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Yeah, the latest is that Disney voted to APPROVE the TL51 HD DVD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/di...a_Approval.html

Disney was on board with HD-DVD before going BR weren't they? Its also been yet to be proved if that disc can work in all HD-DVD players as well, let alone yields of the actual disc.

I don't see Disney moving any time soon. This is just another weekly rumor. I heard "Company X" is going HD-DVD. How many times have we heard Warner would go exclusive and well.. um.. they didn't? Probably because their BR sales mop up their HD-DVD sales. Then again, they're smarter than all companies by putting their movies out in both formats and making twice the profit.

And yes, I have reported you because obviously you can't discuss anything.

Last time I checked, this was under "Sony Console," yet you continue to come in here and badger everyone with your pro HD-DVD nonsense that is mere reposts of other people who support HD-DVD. You compare uneven prices and promote the firesale that went on a few weeks ago as if that price will be there forever. Your arguments are extremely misleading and flat out wrong, not to mention in the wrong section. You're playing the flamer fanboy on the wrong side of the fence. You have even more reason to be reported/warned for inciting people in a special section.

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Remember that decision of who would go with which format were made years before the PS3 came out. At the time Sony surely pointed at the success of the PS2 and their grandiose scheme of things where they would have no competition and have a PS3 in every living room within 6 months. As a company, that probably looked very tantalizing. Fast forward to today with the low pricing of HD-DVD and the average performance of the PS3 and companies are probably weighing options. Changing formats may be extreme but a step towards the middle is probably not far-fetched, particularly if it's possible to use current DVD production machines for HD-DVD production.

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Last time I checked, this was under "Sony Console," yet you continue to come in here and badger everyone with your pro HD-DVD nonsense that is mere reposts of other people who support HD-DVD. You compare uneven prices and promote the firesale that went on a few weeks ago as if that price will be there forever. Your arguments are extremely misleading and flat out wrong, not to mention in the wrong section. You're playing the flamer fanboy on the wrong side of the fence. You have even more reason to be reported/warned for inciting people in a special section.

You are very funny. You have not supplied a single argument with facts that contradict what I have said. If you don't like reality, well, that's another thing. But the truth always hurts those who pick a wrong side.

All I have said here is real. Do you have anythign to state otherwise? Give me a break here. $400 PS3 is NOT DISCOUNTED PS3. Wth are you talking about. You get FREE MOVIES that's IT! What is misleading there and flat out wrong. The thing you see some other way is basically wrong. You will still have to pay $450 w/ tax for the PS3. Is it not so?

I don't really flame anything, I just talk about facts. I did flame once when I posted "Buy an Xbox 360 cause games just work" and I was penalized by BangBang23. That was a plain old flame and I did do it on purpose to see a reaction. I don't argue that. I deserved it too but I thought it was funny in the context of the discussion. But all I do is talk about facts and logical reasoning not to mention my own experience within the industry too. I actually built Blu-Ray PR sites too. Official ones. I worked with Sony, Disney and Fox directly. And basically communicate with all the studios daily. True, I don't talk to my associates there about the war as I work for both sides, but I know how many of them feel.

Second, I have a PS3 so that gives me the same rights as anyone to post or critisize the console. I paid $600 too, so what, now I have more rights then someone who paid $400 for it? You need to learn what flaming is before you even start discussing. Flaming is not when someone points out flaws or points on something you desperately defend and it somehow disturbs your perfect illusion of the world. You are not the only one to get to express their opinion, nor you are the one that is always right.

The reason why I reported him was not because of debate (or lack thereof), but because in several last posts he is directly insulting me calling me an idiot, telling me to go away etc etc.

You need to come down to earth for a little bit and try to observe things in a more objective way.

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You are very funny. You have not supplied a single argument with facts that contradict what I have said. If you don't like reality, well, that's another thing. But the truth always hurts those who pick a wrong side.

All I have said here is real. Do you have anythign to state otherwise? Give me a break here. $400 PS3 is NOT DISCOUNTED PS3. Wth are you talking about. You get FREE MOVIES that's IT! What is misleading there and flat out wrong. The thing you see some other way is basically wrong. You will still have to pay $450 w/ tax for the PS3. Is it not so?

I don't really flame anything, I just talk about facts. I did flame once when I posted "Buy an Xbox 360 cause games just work" and I was penalized by BangBang23. That was a plain old flame and I did do it on purpose to see a reaction. I don't argue that. I deserved it too but I thought it was funny in the context of the discussion. But all I do is talk about facts and logical reasoning not to mention my own experience within the industry too. I actually built Blu-Ray PR sites too. Official ones. I worked with Sony, Disney and Fox directly. And basically communicate with all the studios daily. True, I don't talk to my associates there about the war as I work for both sides, but I know how many of them feel.

Second, I have a PS3 so that gives me the same rights as anyone to post or critisize the console. I paid $600 too, so what, now I have more rights then someone who paid $400 for it? You need to learn what flaming is before you even start discussing. Flaming is not when someone points out flaws or points on something you desperately defend and it somehow disturbs your perfect illusion of the world. You are not the only one to get to express their opinion, nor you are the one that is always right.

The reason why I reported him was not because of debate (or lack thereof), but because in several last posts he is directly insulting me calling me an idiot, telling me to go away etc etc.

You need to come down to earth for a little bit and try to observe things in a more objective way.

"Free movies" ?

Try $300's worth of movies upfront, with a potential for another 5 or $150's worth. Hardly worth a "thats it" comment.

People love bundled discounts and sales.... its what increases hardware sales as you get the idea that you aren't "really" paying $400 due to all the free stuff included.

It's absolutely ludicrous people can actually downplay a sale like this. It's a fantastic offer if you are a movie buff and a very nice incentive for anyone wanting a PS3.

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All I have said here is real. Do you have anythign to state otherwise? Give me a break here. $400 PS3 is NOT DISCOUNTED PS3. Wth are you talking about. You get FREE MOVIES that's IT! What is misleading there and flat out wrong. The thing you see some other way is basically wrong. You will still have to pay $450 w/ tax for the PS3. Is it not so?

This has nothing to do with sides. The OP was clearly about another great Playstation offering for the holiday season and all we got out of you was another novel about "HD-DVD this and HD-DVD that..." Ugh.

And if I remember correctly, you too were also the one flaunting the "free movie" offer with the HD-DVD hardware sales... so please don't backtrack with "that's it!" comments. Because you, yes you Boz, are guilty of this as well. If you have no plans to discuss this offer then why bother? Please let the rest of us enjoy it. No matter which way you cut it, this is an awesome deal. :yes:

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You are very funny. You have not supplied a single argument with facts that contradict what I have said. If you don't like reality, well, that's another thing. But the truth always hurts those who pick a wrong side.

All I have said here is real. Do you have anythign to state otherwise? Give me a break here. $400 PS3 is NOT DISCOUNTED PS3. Wth are you talking about. You get FREE MOVIES that's IT! What is misleading there and flat out wrong. The thing you see some other way is basically wrong. You will still have to pay $450 w/ tax for the PS3. Is it not so?

I don't really flame anything, I just talk about facts. I did flame once when I posted "Buy an Xbox 360 cause games just work" and I was penalized by BangBang23. That was a plain old flame and I did do it on purpose to see a reaction. I don't argue that. I deserved it too but I thought it was funny in the context of the discussion. But all I do is talk about facts and logical reasoning not to mention my own experience within the industry too. I actually built Blu-Ray PR sites too. Official ones. I worked with Sony, Disney and Fox directly. And basically communicate with all the studios daily. True, I don't talk to my associates there about the war as I work for both sides, but I know how many of them feel.

Second, I have a PS3 so that gives me the same rights as anyone to post or critisize the console. I paid $600 too, so what, now I have more rights then someone who paid $400 for it? You need to learn what flaming is before you even start discussing. Flaming is not when someone points out flaws or points on something you desperately defend and it somehow disturbs your perfect illusion of the world. You are not the only one to get to express their opinion, nor you are the one that is always right.

The reason why I reported him was not because of debate (or lack thereof), but because in several last posts he is directly insulting me calling me an idiot, telling me to go away etc etc.

You need to come down to earth for a little bit and try to observe things in a more objective way.

You owning a PS3 is a cop out for the tone of your posts. Its pretty ironic that you're telling me to come down to earth. Also, re-read the original post. It is $499, not $399. Some facts, eh? If it were the $399 bundle, it would be 16 free movies since SM3 would be included. But hey, you see everything a little bit more objective and clear than everyone else, so maybe Wal-Mart and the employees leaking the information have it completely wrong since you work/ed with BD CE companies.

Secondly, it is rather clear that you are not getting a deal on the PS3. Its a sale to push the movies. You're bashing BD left and right in this thread, as usual. Your facts about the prices are skewed like everything. You cannot compare a 1080i player with even the lowest BD player, the specs aren't anywhere near close. Furthermore, you say the PS3 has horrible PQ. Are you using a HDMI cable or a high def set.. because I'm pretty sure most reviewers and tech sites applaud the PS3 for its upconverting abilities and overall PQ for HDM. You owning one and clearly disliking it does not make you an expert in the field nor does you reading negative bias, which again is also clear.

I own an A2, does that mean I can go into HD-DVD threads and blast away the technically superior BR format left and right? I could talk about higher bit rates, more storage, more studio support, and many other features for hours. But I won't, because its flamebait and I know it. You don't.

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I'm ****ed that they don't offer this outside the US (or wal-mart, for that matter).

Same goes for the HDDVD dumping.

People in the US are getting the best deals thanks to competition.

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I don't think comparing it to the PS2's dvd capabilities is very fair. Sure it's not as quiet, easy to use, lacks multi-channel analog outs, and isn't as visually appealing in a media rack as the top blu-ray stand-alones, but it does what counts most right. It has quick load times, and image and sound quality as good as any other player. The PS2 was a pretty mediocre dvd player, while the PS3 is a more than competent BD player. It had some issues at the start (not passing btb or wtw, no dvd upscaling and awful dvd output with no 3:2 pulldown, and no 1080p24), but most of them have been ironed out and now I think most owners are just hoping for DTS-HD MA support and further updates to the already very good upscaling for dvds.

So, it's a better quality player than any other BD player on the market? Why are the others more expensive?

This whole realm of "integration is better" attitude bothers me. Everyone cares about specs like there's no tomorrow, but insist on buying integrated components, the worst kind. Wal-Mart sells a $49 DVD player that still looks light-years ahead of VHS, but is still a cheap-ass player, both in terms of picture quality and design. You can't tell me that the PS3 is suddenly a videophile's wet dream.

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So you'd rather pay 20% of the price of the movie each time you want to watch it?

it isn't 20% 10% is 3.00. you pay $3.50 tops

What if they don't have it in stock?

Then I rent something else? or maybe reserve it?

What if the copy you get from them is scratched and is unwatchable?

Then I bring it back? I'm about 2 blocks from 2 different video stores

What if you're stuck at home with no car available and feel like watching something specific?

see above answer

The money you pay to own the movie is a convenience fee shall we say?

a $30.00 convenience fee?

It's the same as buying a console honestly. Why buy it when you can rent it when you want to play?

It's nothing like a console.

This is a winless argument for you in my case.

Buying $20.00 to $30.00 movies that you watch maybe (on average) 2 to 4 times a year makes no sense to me.

watching it once every 3 months is still only $14.00

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Last time I checked, this was under "Sony Console," yet you continue to come in here and badger everyone with your pro HD-DVD nonsense that is mere reposts of other people who support HD-DVD. You compare uneven prices and promote the firesale that went on a few weeks ago as if that price will be there forever. Your arguments are extremely misleading and flat out wrong, not to mention in the wrong section. You're playing the flamer fanboy on the wrong side of the fence.

I tire of repeating this (and it seems to be only in this section, ironically), but just because this is the Sony console section doesn't make it Sony's PR camp. People come here to discuss Sony's offerings and the pros and cons of those offerings, not to kiss Sony's butt. If people come into this section and can hold an intelligent discussion about Sony's products, then they can post. If they can't do anything but call others names for their opinions, while never offering any well thought-out counter-argument, they should go get a life and find a new hobby.

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This offer will rape the HDDVD camp.

Yes, a few PS3s being sold at a few thousand wal-marts in the US for one day is really going to decide the format war. Much bigger than the about 10 per store HD players sold at multiple retailers. Not to mention the continuous offers for cheaper player alternatives.

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So, it's a better quality player than any other BD player on the market? Why are the others more expensive?

This whole realm of "integration is better" attitude bothers me. Everyone cares about specs like there's no tomorrow, but insist on buying integrated components, the worst kind. Wal-Mart sells a $49 DVD player that still looks light-years ahead of VHS, but is still a cheap-ass player, both in terms of picture quality and design. You can't tell me that the PS3 is suddenly a videophile's wet dream.

The problem I have with pushing the whole PS3 as super duper player is because Sony wants it that way. We wouldn't even have the discussion whether or not HD DVD is the next format if it wasn't for this attitude where people talk about PS3 as the holy grail of Blu-Ray players. They have to, because if it turns out to be mediocre player, it might hurt sales (bad as it is) and without PS3, Blu-Ray is definitely down. Most people commenting have no clue, actually any Blu-Ray standalone with better video chip will produce much better picture then PS3. But hey, you can't argue with someone who just refuses to listen to anything that might be different from their own logic.

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I tire of repeating this (and it seems to be only in this section, ironically), but just because this is the Sony console section doesn't make it Sony's PR camp. People come here to discuss Sony's offerings and the pros and cons of those offerings, not to kiss Sony's butt. If people come into this section and can hold an intelligent discussion about Sony's products, then they can post. If they can't do anything but call others names for their opinions, while never offering any well thought-out counter-argument, they should go get a life and find a new hobby.

Have you read any of his posts? They aren't discussing anything. He comes in here to discuss everything that he thinks is negative about Sony products. Its clearly obvious in every thread he posts regarding the issue. There isn't a good counter-argument as he'll only repost the same nonsense stating that some rumor or insider told him so.

And your previous post - No, the PS3 is not videophile equipment, but as far as first-gen BD equipment, it is pretty damn good.

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So, it's a better quality player than any other BD player on the market? Why are the others more expensive?

This whole realm of "integration is better" attitude bothers me. Everyone cares about specs like there's no tomorrow, but insist on buying integrated components, the worst kind. Wal-Mart sells a $49 DVD player that still looks light-years ahead of VHS, but is still a cheap-ass player, both in terms of picture quality and design. You can't tell me that the PS3 is suddenly a videophile's wet dream.

I think you're acting a little unreasonable. Ofcourse, it's not a hometheater fanatic's wet dream. It's a video game console, looks like a video game console, and sounds like a video game console. But you must admit that this isn't anything like what you're implying. The video quality (and sound quality for that matter over HDMI) is not worse than the stand alone blu-ray players. It's exactly the same from a picture and sound quality standpoint when connected over HDMI outputting 1080p24 and outputting uncompressed PCM, decoding True HD, and outputting the DTS HD core of DTS HD MA (no player I know of does this though some will output the bitstream to a receiver that can, which the PS3 cannot do). Your comparison to a 49 dvd player and the PS2 are completely invalid in terms of image and sound quality versus the rest of the market.

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