Xero Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 One thing I find annoying is when certain games are bad on the PS3 everyone jumps to blame the system. If you can't make a decent meal, you don't blame the pots and pans. Most developers dunno what they hell they are doing for the PS3. However in this case the PC and 360 versions were made by Valve in this case it was EA, and well EA just doesn't have the best track record for releasing quality games. For the record I bought the orange box for the PC and won't for the PS3 for the reasons above, I love what Valve makes, and I think EA should just buy up themselves and hopefully implode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 One thing I find annoying is when certain games are bad on the PS3 everyone jumps to blame the system. If you can't make a decent meal, you don't blame the pots and pans. Most developers dunno what they hell they are doing for the PS3. However in this case the PC and 360 versions were made by Valve in this case it was EA, and well EA just doesn't have the best track record for releasing quality games.For the record I bought the orange box for the PC and won't for the PS3 for the reasons above, I love what Valve makes, and I think EA should just buy up themselves and hopefully implode. I think this is more of the case of a meal being made on a cheap pot coming out great and then the same meal being made on some new pot where the ingredients need to be fed through a blu mesh. Of course the pot is made of a really nice looking metal but it transfers heat very poorly so it takes longer to cook and the middle is kind of underdone. Also the metal leaves the food with a strange aftertaste. I'm sure the cooks feel a little frustrated using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nice metaphor my friend, but I think I'm hungry now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Nice metaphor my friend, but I think I'm hungry now. LOL :D :cake: (there is no cake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted November 23, 2007 Veteran Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think this is more of the case of a meal being made on a cheap pot coming out great and then the same meal being made on some new pot where the ingredients need to be fed through a blu mesh. Of course the pot is made of a really nice looking metal but it transfers heat very poorly so it takes longer to cook and the middle is kind of underdone. Also the metal leaves the food with a strange aftertaste. I'm sure the cooks feel a little frustrated using it. lmao fantastic analogy :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think this is more of the case of a meal being made on a cheap pot coming out great and then the same meal being made on some new pot where the ingredients need to be fed through a blu mesh. Of course the pot is made of a really nice looking metal but it transfers heat very poorly so it takes longer to cook and the middle is kind of underdone. Also the metal leaves the food with a strange aftertaste. I'm sure the cooks feel a little frustrated using it. and that my friend is Neowin's post of the month... :happy: :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted November 23, 2007 Veteran Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think this is more of the case of a meal being made on a cheap pot coming out great and then the same meal being made on some new pot where the ingredients need to be fed through a blu mesh. Of course the pot is made of a really nice looking metal but it transfers heat very poorly so it takes longer to cook and the middle is kind of underdone. Also the metal leaves the food with a strange aftertaste. I'm sure the cooks feel a little frustrated using it. Wow, that's a great way of putting it (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Ninja Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Comes down to lazy developers. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted November 23, 2007 Veteran Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think this is more of the case of a meal being made on a cheap pot coming out great and then the same meal being made on some new pot where the ingredients need to be fed through a blu mesh. Of course the pot is made of a really nice looking metal but it transfers heat very poorly so it takes longer to cook and the middle is kind of underdone. Also the metal leaves the food with a strange aftertaste. I'm sure the cooks feel a little frustrated using it. Wow, that's a great analogy (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^ Was it better the second time you said it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+virtorio MVC Posted November 24, 2007 MVC Share Posted November 24, 2007 That's what happens when you try to port over a game designed for a totally different architecture without putting in much effort. It's not a bad game and the PS3 is not a bad console, it's simple a bad port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dysphoria Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^ Was it better the second time you said it? Hahahaaa, =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I hope they fix this... it'd be a shame to have PS3 owners miss out on such an amazing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Did EA not say "o.O we noobs gonna make 60fps on all of our games STARTING with crappy NBA Live '08"? Noobs. They are lazy and Valve should have teamed up with Activision or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danrarbc Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 That's what happens when you try to port over a game designed for a totally different architecture without putting in much effort. It's not a bad game and the PS3 is not a bad console, it's simple a bad port. Its not as cut and dry as this. The CELL really isn't ideal for game code in any way shape or form. Doesn't make it a bad console but it certainly isn't beneficial and has hurt nearly every multiplatform title. And I wouldn't hold up Oblivion as some shining example either, it took a whole extra year. CoD4 still is a feat no matter what though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^ Was it better the second time you said it? maybe he forgot that he said something the first time :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Comes down to lazy developers. Plain and simple. I wish people would stop blaming the developers >_< I know a guy that works for sony and even he admits that the PS3 is very awkward to use. It's completely different than what 99% of game developers are used to and benefits from doing a proper port to the system are simply not justified enough for them to bother. It takes longer for them to do it and time is money. There comes a point when you have to accept drawbacks in order to still remain profitable. The alternative is for them to just not do it at all, how would THAT make you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Spork) Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^^^^ it still comes down to the Developers plain and simple most the game makes have had a year + to learn how to code for the ps3 STOP MAKING FREAKING EXCUSES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted November 24, 2007 Veteran Share Posted November 24, 2007 Did EA not say "o.O we noobs gonna make 60fps on all of our games STARTING with crappy NBA Live '08"? Noobs. They are lazy and Valve should have teamed up with Activision or someone else. It's not EA's game though. Have you ever tried to work with someone elses project for something like Databases, and they've gone about it a completely different method to what you would do. It's a nightmare to correct and make changes. Of course EA don't have the time to make a proper port, which is why the game is in such bad shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerhkjp Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 It would seem to me that if the game at this stage is as bad as the review says it is, they will delay it to improve it. We're all bashing a game that isn't out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman273 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ^^^^it still comes down to the Developers plain and simple most the game makes have had a year + to learn how to code for the ps3 STOP MAKING FREAKING EXCUSES And you could stop making "freaking" excuses for bad hardware. Remember developers are paid to make games. Once the game is made it's put for sale and bought. They don't exactly have all the time in the world to spend diddlying around with a game console trying to tweak it and get it jsut right. Particularly if they can get the same effect done on another console that has a bigger user base and it only takes them 1/3 of the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted November 24, 2007 Veteran Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) When Gabe said it was a waste of time he didnt mean it because of the difficulty. He was talking about effort vs outcome, the attachment rate on the ps3 is horrendus and with limited ps3s out in the wild they wont get the return on the investment. It is purely business. No, he meant it's a waste because the techniques used to program on the PS3 won't be useful anywhere else, at least with current PC hardware. Programming for the 360 makes it very easy to port over the code and ideas and the techniques used to the PC. This is not the case with the Cell architecture. Let's me clarify and state that I'm not saying whether or not his statements are true, only what he meant by them. Edited November 24, 2007 by bangbang023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDQuiksilver Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Bad hardware? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 It is EA's fault, if they couldn't make great games before for the PS3 then we should have known it was going to be crappy. So technically it is both EA's and Valves fault, but since Valve does not have much employees to do their dirty work they got EA to do and they craped on it. If EA actually took some time like CoD4 developers and worked on the PS3, then this would not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danrarbc Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Bad hardware? :laugh: Yes, CELL is just plain not a good design for game development. It may be powerful, and given time effort and talent a game can access a lot of that power. But good hardware shouldn't force that on a development team in order for them to get a good game out, especially since very few projects get that kind of time, money, and just plain talented individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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