NienorGT Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I hate the console war. That why I don't buy a console. It's idiot. In a PC, you are free to get an AMD or Intel CPU, at the end, both do the exact same job, PERIOD. But in consoles, it's all different. We have 3 consoles in the market, all of 3 are completely deferents. And the war is getting hitting in the low parts now. with console makers that pay millions to game devs in order to get exclusive games or contents. Seriously, I don't know why I clicked on that topic, I was about to agree with few things but when I saw the users comments, it's totally disappointing... You are right, I have nothing to do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted December 7, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2007 Hawkman you did a great job of putting that list together. Really though, you shouldn't have to go to the trouble just to prove the point. We all know the 360 has far more to offer than FPS games, MGS4-SS obviously doesn't know what he's talking about the 360 nevermind the PS3, and stuck in the past with the same old arguements of Xbox being a FPS console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Hawkman you did a great job of putting that list together. Really though, you shouldn't have to go to the trouble just to prove the point. We all know the 360 has far more to offer than FPS games, MGS4-SS obviously doesn't know what he's talking about the 360 nevermind the PS3, and stuck in the past with the same old arguements of Xbox being a FPS console. you seem to assume I have a life ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted December 7, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2007 you seem to assume I have a life ;p Of course not! We're 360 fans, we all sit around playing Halo 3 all the time, shouting racial slurs at each other over the mic!!1! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeg Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Of course not! We're 360 fans, we all sit around playing Halo 3 all the time, shouting racial slurs at each other over the mic!!1!;) You're @#$%@ right ya lazy piece of @#$!. Go &$%# yourself ya dirty *&^^$%. :p Just playin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 4 is only a problem if you have an IQ under 50. Who cares about signing in? It takes 5 seconds. And you only need to re-sync the controller if you've connected it to a different system last. And isn't that how both the Wii and the PS3 controllers work? In the ps3, you have to connect using the cable... although the BD remote has a different way of syncing it. And in the Wii you have to press the buttons. But you have to do the process again when the controllers were paired with another system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 To be fair, while not completely "open standard" the PS3 is pretty well geared towards BEING open standard.They allow you to install another OS (Linux), and from a developers POV (as said by Mark Rein), Sony are are open with PSN/their online platform in regards to games/DLC/mods - Which is the reason he says UT3 is hitting the PS3 first. <<snip>> May be because Sony doesn't have anything like Live to keep it closed ? I would say it again all these companies, including Microsoft, go "Open" only when it's convenient to them. PSN, compared to Live is a joke (I haven't used it but again that didn't stop others from making claims like that ;) ). Watch PSN mature and then Sony starts closing down access and walk the same path as Microsoft. On a lighter note, They probably allow Linux/homebrew just because even sony couldn't figure out how to develope on cell/ps3 and are hoping that at least the homebrew crowd can tap the true "power" of teh cell and realize teh grand vision of Kutragi :rofl: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 7, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted December 7, 2007 (edited) May be because Sony doesn't have anything like Live to keep it closed ? I would say it again all these companies, including Microsoft, go "Open" only when it's convenient to them. PSN, compared to Live is a joke (I haven't used it but again that didn't stop others from making claims like that ;) ).Watch PSN mature and then Sony starts closing down access and walk the same path as Microsoft. On a lighter note, They probably allow Linux/homebrew just because even sony couldn't figure out how to develope on cell/ps3 and are hoping that at least the homebrew crowd can tap the true "power" of teh cell and realize teh grand vision of Kutragi :rofl: . See, you know the one thing that confuses me as about gamers in general? WHY everyone thinks PSN HAS to be the exact same as Live to be successful. Why do all the "haters" think that? The approach Live offers is successful, but are you really all that stubborn to believe another approach can't be just as successful? They are both going down slightly different paths, albeit they are going to offer similar content (DLC wise) Why can't eveyone just realise that... Sony has a goal they're going after with PSN which is taking PSN in a different route than Live. Live took some years to evolve into what it is today, so why can't we as gamers give Sony some time to see where PSN ends up? Live provides more just now, and subsequently you pay for it as it is a more mature/argubaly far better service... I don't doubt that. However Sony aren't charging for their "baby" of a service which is PSN, and rightfully so. Not a lot of people would pay for it right now... Just cut them some damn slack and lets all wait and see where PSN ends up. It does the basics just now, and will get more "advanced" over the next 6months or so (towards the launch of Home). Everyone who bashes PSN at every chance they get should really step back and look at themselves... do you really HAVE to show this much hate towards a service, which no doubts, you probably haven't even used/looked into... or even care about? I understand and appreciate genuine concern towards PSN progress (as that shows you actually care), but blind hating on something is just a plain old waste of time. One last thing. I also applaud Sony for being ambitious to go ahead and try something like Home. Instead of just going for a 1:1 copy of a proven succesful approach Live gives, they are trying something different. While it may be too ambitious and underdeliver is yet to be seen, but so far I give the approach a (Y)'s up. Sony... if you're reading, gimme my damn open beta now :p /rant off :p ps. We should be thankful of any sort of scraps of Homebrew we can get running on the PS3 just now. Look how the PSP ended up with Sonys more "casual" approach to being open ended (Y) (good for us gamers, thats how the PSP ended up ;)) Edited December 7, 2007 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I am not implying that PSN should be same as Live. Just wanted to make the point that they are "open" because they are an underdog with Live in the competition. I am not blaming Sony or Microsoft for doing this. These are corps out to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted December 7, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2007 Live took some years to evolve into what it is today, so why can't we as gamers give Sony some time to see where PSN ends up?Just cut them some damn slack and lets all wait and see where PSN ends up. It does the basics just now, and will get more "advanced" over the next 6months or so (towards the launch of Home). You need to make your mind up. Some weeks all we hear from you is "but xbl is 5 years old, of course it's going to be better.", then you agree with the rest of us that it has been built up over time :p Which is it my friend ;) And I wouldn't get your hopes up, if you look at the recent interview with Trentton in the Sony section and how they don't have much plans to compete with Live. Sure they can go their own route, but do gamers really want that? I don't think so. They want a download service, with on demand options, and yes Home. Home won't bring on demand tv, more demos, psn titles and dlc. It's a frigging socialising peice of software, not the second coming :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 7, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted December 7, 2007 You need to make your mind up. Some weeks all we hear from you is "but xbl is 5 years old, of course it's going to be better.", then you agree with the rest of us that it has been built up over time :p Which is it my friend ;)And I wouldn't get your hopes up, if you look at the recent interview with Trentton in the Sony section and how they don't have much plans to compete with Live. Sure they can go their own route, but do gamers really want that? I don't think so. They want a download service, with on demand options, and yes Home. Home won't bring on demand tv, more demos, psn titles and dlc. It's a frigging socialising peice of software, not the second coming :p I mean the exact same thing :unsure: Something that is 5 years old = Something that has been built up over 5 years. Sure they can go their own route, but do gamers really want that? I don't think so. They want a download service, with on demand options, and yes Home. Home won't bring on demand tv, more demos, psn titles and dlc. It's a frigging socialising peice of software, not the second coming How can you answer for everyone out there? Minds can easily be changed as improvements are added - All I ask is for genuine gamers, who don't want to blind themselves in loyalty, keep an open mind... instead of being "closed" or "hating" all the time. At least have the decency to not rule out different approaches being successful as well. All I'm getting from you after that post is, if it's not Live, it's never going to work. :/ Plus as for TV, we have PlayTV coming. As for demos/PSN titles they will naturally build up into a bigger library. And as for home, I think you're a little naive to just brand it "socialising" software. But meh, each to their own. I look for the promise, you look for the failure with PSN/Home. they don't have much plans to compete with Live While im trying to stress both platforms are different and that we shouldn't expect both to be 1:1 copies, you're very naive if deep inside Sony HQ, you think they aren't trying their damnest to steal thunder from Live. That's what you try to do to your rivals :p And finally, what stops both services running alongside each other, and both being hugely successful? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Elsewhere in the interview, Tretton said PS3?s online PlayStation Network doesn?t need improvement to compete with Xbox Live, and promised that PlayStation Home would be ?like nothing seen befoSource:rce: MCV :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 ^ :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 7, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted December 7, 2007 (edited) Does ANYONE (apart from DM) want to have a good ole proper discussion with me, without all this silly clutter? :( Sometimes I feel it's useless trying to be sensible on here... Hell I'd even love Boz to come in and have a chat. He may be strongly opinionated, but at least you can have a PROPER discussion with him - Even if it does go round in circles :laugh: ^ Spartan we all know PSN needs to improve to "compete" with Live, that's one thing we hear from half this board on a daily basis.... let alone half the gaming community. All that is is pride and marketing BS from Sony/Jack Tretton. You wouldn't expect any different from him... so why the need to post it twice? You actually seem happy to see him say that? :/ Edited December 7, 2007 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGS4-SS Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Then maybe the XBOX360 isn't for you? Why the hell did you buy it then? :rolleyes: Mass Effect. Would you look at that, PS3 has more FPS games on their system than anything else. Hopefully this "XBOX360 only has FPS games and nothing else" can die, but of course i am sure its only getting started. You should read the blue word on an earlier post of mine. And the PS3 having a lot of FPS games doesn't excuse the X360 of the same, so you'll just have to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiracyX Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Mass Effect.You should read the blue word on an earlier post of mine. And the PS3 having a lot of FPS games doesn't excuse the X360 of the same, so you'll just have to live with it. Yes but you were quick to jump and shout the XBOX360 only has FPS games when the PS3 has the same problem. Fair enough, Mass Effect is a good game, but it seems you only brought the console for that one game and now you played it, you you are bashing the 360? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted December 7, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2007 Does ANYONE (apart from DM) want to have a good ole proper discussion with me, without all this silly clutter? :( Sometimes I feel it's useless trying to be sensible on here... Hell I'd even love Boz to come in and have a chat. He may be strongly opinionated, but at least you can have a PROPER discussion with him - Even if it does go round in circles :laugh: What's wrong, aren't I good enough for you :p But I know what you mean, the only decent PS3 gamer on here to have a discussion with is yourself. I mean the exact same thing :unsure:Something that is 5 years old = Something that has been built up over 5 years. It comes across very different sometimes. Sometimes you make it sound like XBL had demos and marketplace from the beginning, when infact they only offered those when the 360 came out. What they achieved in a year was fantastic, which is why I'm sick of hearing PS3 loyalists ( :rofl: ) make out like Sony haven't had the time to do the same and the "it's coming" excuse. I don't want to give the impression I think PSn is a failure and it's never going to take off. I would love it to as it keeps the competiton interesting between Sony and MSFT. What they have shown so far isn't impressive though and like I said, the recent interview with Tretton shows they have no plans to improve anything immediately. I can't and don't speak for all gamers out there, but I think your kidding yourself if you wouldn't like to see more stable release of PSN titles (and not just in US while EU gets the shaft as per usual). Along with more demos, and the introduction of a music/movie store. The PS3 is in a fantastic position to offer a download service for Sony's catalog and they have 60GB and 80GB versions out in the market to expose it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGS4-SS Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Yes but you were quick to jump and shout the XBOX360 only has FPS games when the PS3 has the same problem. Fair enough, Mass Effect is a good game, but it seems you only brought the console for that one game and now you played it, you you are bashing the 360? Again, I'm not bashing, I'm stating the evident. You cannot tell me that the majority of games that are worth playing on the X360 are not shooters, because you know that is not true. All I'm saying is that the console needs more games of different types of genre. For shooters I've got my PC, I don't need a console to do the same thing (this is in my opinion of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan_X Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 not my fault Sony is run by bunch of monkeys dancing on pink barrels... :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted December 7, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 7, 2007 Again, I'm not bashing, I'm stating the evident. You cannot tell me that the majority of games that are worth playing on the X360 are not shooters, because you know that is not true. Yes we can tell you, we are telling you, and yes it is true, see Hawkman's post on page 8 :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 7, 2007 Author Subscriber² Share Posted December 7, 2007 (edited) What's wrong, aren't I good enough for you :p But I know what you mean, the only decent PS3 gamer on here to have a discussion with is yourself.It comes across very different sometimes. Sometimes you make it sound like XBL had demos and marketplace from the beginning, when infact they only offered those when the 360 came out. What they achieved in a year was fantastic, which is why I'm sick of hearing PS3 loyalists ( :rofl: ) make out like Sony haven't had the time to do the same and the "it's coming" excuse. I don't want to give the impression I think PSn is a failure and it's never going to take off. I would love it to as it keeps the competiton interesting between Sony and MSFT. What they have shown so far isn't impressive though and like I said, the recent interview with Tretton shows they have no plans to improve anything immediately. I can't and don't speak for all gamers out there, but I think your kidding yourself if you wouldn't like to see more stable release of PSN titles (and not just in US while EU gets the shaft as per usual). Along with more demos, and the introduction of a music/movie store. The PS3 is in a fantastic position to offer a download service for Sony's catalog and they have 60GB and 80GB versions out in the market to expose it to. I guess I show a bit of naivety then? Personally I don't know where Live was after a year, but I always assumed it was at a comparable state to where PSN is at just now. By comparable I don't mean in EXACTLY the same position, maybe ahead in development/progress but not by far. In regards to the 5 year thing, let me clear it up. I know Live has been developed/perfected over 5 years... those 5 years giving MS experience in WHAT gamers want, and HOW to deliver on time/to target. I don't think it's been as easy as ABC for them, and I think there has been a lot of hard work. Sony are entering this online world at such a stage where many will write them off, as how can they possibily be as experienced and talented as the crew behind Live in everyones eyes? I'd definitely say not as experienced (that's a no brainer... broken promises/unrealistic targets/embarassing PR), but not as talanted? I don't think I can give judgement on that till we see a bit more out of PSN... and at least not start speculating till Home arrives. I personally just don't feel writing them off (them being everyone behind PSN/Home) at this early stage is viable... coming out and showing something as ambitious as Home shows spirit to me, and gives me confidence... but each to their own I suppose. And as for PSN europe, don't get me started. I STILL DON'T HAVE EVERYDAY SHOOTER SONY. EU is a complete joke.... ****es me off greatly. Edited December 7, 2007 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiracyX Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Again, I'm not bashing, I'm stating the evident. You cannot tell me that the majority of games that are worth playing on the X360 are not shooters, because you know that is not true. No offense, did you even read HawkMan's post with the game list of each system? We already know most of the games are FPS, but so has PS3? Mass Effect is a shooter......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormier6083 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 <snip> While it is true that the 360's "guts" of the UI are accessible, it's very slow. I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but the guide takes FOREVER to use. What's Microsoft's solution? "Don't use the guide during gameplay." Isn't that is what the guide is meant for? I appreciate Microsoft's attempt at the guide, but it needs some work. Also, in this article, Matt Brett states "XMB is extremely simplistic compared to Dashboard... I’ve found it’s actually very welcome. While things may not be organized (as the Dashboard), everything is a mere few clicks away and very easy to find. " http://mattbrett.com/archives/2007/08/play...parison-part-2/ While the Dashboard is organized, its speed is it's biggest flaw. P.S. The 360's ads really turn me off. If I pay $50, I shouldn't have to face adverts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 While it is true that the 360's "guts" of the UI are accessible, it's very slow. I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but the guide takes FOREVER to use. What's Microsoft's solution? "Don't use the guide during gameplay." Isn't that is what the guide is meant for? I appreciate Microsoft's attempt at the guide, but it needs some work. Also, in this article, Matt Brett states "XMB is extremely simplistic compared to Dashboard... I’ve found it’s actually very welcome. While things may not be organized (as the Dashboard), everything is a mere few clicks away and very easy to find. " http://mattbrett.com/archives/2007/08/play...parison-part-2/ While the Dashboard is organized, its speed is it's biggest flaw. P.S. The 360's ads really turn me off. If I pay $50, I shouldn't have to face adverts. :laugh: What's Microsoft's solution? The Fall 2007 update. Haven't used your 360 in a while? :p If you haven't noticed, the UI and Dashboard are now much faster and much better overall with the recent Fall Update. In regards to the "ads", they are less "ads" and more "features" of what's new in the Marketplace and what's happening on the 360 scene. They are hardly ever unrelated to gaming and therefore I don't really see them as "ads" personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPCHell Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Yeah, the Guide is lightning quick now. Sure the ads aren't what everyone wants, but then again $50 a year isn't a lot of money considering how much better a service Live is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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