Mozilla FireFox Beta2


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You can stick as many themes on it as you'd like, but unless the windows are rendered by the frameworks provided by the OS it's going to be a fake. It's quite noticeable on Mac OS X really.

There are a bunch of threads from members here asking how to get a default Aero look as seen in Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. Something that's impossible due to the custom redering engine Firefox uses.

Well of course, you can't get the exact same interface Explorer uses -- no application does that. Name me one that you can skin and have it look like that. But you can get it to look damn close, using the same menu style as explorer, but not the same aero interface on the entire thing. If it's really that big a deal to you, don't use it :)

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Firefox doesn't render it's UI using any of the base UI API's from any OS's (i'm not talking about the skin, I'm talking about the actual windows, buttons, etc.), even on Windows XP (where it looks 100% native) it's using it's own widgets and just calling the theme API to skin them (like it does on GTK and OS X)

Hell, WebKit does the same thing, it just has a native UI wrapped around it.

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Once Firefox uses the default vista context menus (which I think the beta already does - haven't tried it) I'm actually quite satisfied.

What would be cool though is a native gecko browser on Vista like Camino on MacOS X. And creating apps with aero glass isn't really that difficult, I suppose: About two months after vista's release there already was a foobar plugin to add glass to the window, and also Maxthon tries it, although not very succesful, I admit...

I guess the biggest progress has been made in the linux version this time... I mean, I never got native widgets in firefox when using linux, so that's at least something.

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I installed it, and everything works fine, and some better than before.

Except one thing, what has happened to the bookmarks form the toolbar?

I make a blank folder and don't give it a name so its just a folder on the toolbar, this then I place my bookmarks in, I don't keep many anymore so I didn't want to fuss of the actual bookmarks drop down.

For some reason that I can't figure out i can no longer sort them alphabetically as it is grayed out, why? not a clue.

And sorting them in the bookmarks organizer, now for some reason listed as "show all bookmarks" unless I've missed something, doesn't do squat and I have to manually sort them whenever adding a new one.

Have I missed something or is Firefox just being stupid for the sake of being stupid?

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For some reason that I can't figure out i can no longer sort them alphabetically as it is grayed out, why? not a clue.

And sorting them in the bookmarks organizer, now for some reason listed as "show all bookmarks" unless I've missed something, doesn't do squat and I have to manually sort them whenever adding a new one.

Have I missed something or is Firefox just being stupid for the sake of being stupid?

Right click on the actual folder, on the Bookmarks Toolbar, then Sort By Name works.

Right clicking on an entry in the actual folder is grayed out for me, too.

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Right click on the actual folder, on the Bookmarks Toolbar, then Sort By Name works.

Right clicking on an entry in the actual folder is grayed out for me, too.

Ergh, I knew it was something simple that I have missed, you use to just be able to click any of the bookmarks and you could sort by name.

Thanks a lot! saved me the hassle of sorting manually. :D

Rightio then, My quibbles with it are all gone, I'm loving it.

Now just to wait for the new icons. :D

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Well of course, you can't get the exact same interface Explorer uses -- no application does that. Name me one that you can skin and have it look like that. But you can get it to look damn close, using the same menu style as explorer, but not the same aero interface on the entire thing. If it's really that big a deal to you, don't use it :)

I'm talking about the fact that any truly native Windows application should be able to draw a proper transparent Aero toolbar. Firefox can't because it doesn't rely on any Windows frameworks. Mac OS X users face the exact same problem with Firefox and Aqua. Like I said before, these things extent far beyond the the interface as Mac OS X (and I imagine Windows Vista as well) feature a whole range of cool and convient stuff Mozilla can't implement because it's not a native application

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You could actually get a proper glass toolbar in Firefox, the API only needs a native window (which Firefox uses), if the windows content is drawn over it with transparency (or you can make it use black or something) you would have the glass background.

Edit: Apparently you just draw black into the areas where you want glass. http://www.danielmoth.com/Blog/2006/06/vis...ss-in-c_17.html

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You could actually get a proper glass toolbar in Firefox, the API only needs a native window (which Firefox uses), if the windows content is drawn over it with transparency (or you can make it use black or something) you would have the glass background.

Edit: Apparently you just draw black into the areas where you want glass. http://www.danielmoth.com/Blog/2006/06/vis...ss-in-c_17.html

Ah that's pretty cool. But it won't take care of the rest right? Mac OS X is a whole different story too.

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