serious Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) I’m sick of it. There seems to be no browser out there without serious issues, and I’m sick of trying to get a decent web experience without hassle. I’ve tried Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 2.0.0.11 and Opera 9.50b, and there’s always something(s) that let(s) me down. And no, I’m not bashing the users if these browsers, nor do I need any pity. I just need to ventliate myself and ask: is this all there is? Internet Explorer - Well, do I need to say more? Extremely user unfriendly, no customization available and third party programs are needed for ad blocking and stuff. A huge no no. Firefox – after being a serious Opera (v.5-9) fanboy I finally got sick of Opera’s compatibility problems; some pages just didn’t work or rendered improperly. I turned my eyes to Firefox. Installed it and was surprised to see that no features at all from Opera had been adopted. Or, for that matter, no features at all. I found my way into the Extensions download central and after a couple of days of searching, adjusting and (of course) cursing I managed to get a similar experience as with Opera. Nice. Also, most pages rendered perfectly, even nicer. After a while I noticed that the memory usage went up. High. “Well, I bought 2GB of RAM for a reason, it should be used” I said to myself and didn’t bother further. I also noticed that the web experience was terrible slow. Pages didn’t cache properly (try going back and forth in a slow loading forum for example) and scrolling made page blurry and whole pages lagged. When compared to Opera this was and is a huge drawback for Firefox. So I went on to a new Opera 9.50 version, still in beta, hoping to find most of the compatibility problems dealt with. Opera – … but I was disappointed. Sure, some pages that used to cause problems rendered properly, but not all. And hey, why do you underline all links? And when I turn this feature off, why do you remove the underline in words that were specifically specified to be underlined in the CSS sheet? It is those imperfections that create overcrowded mental institutions. I read a bit about Firefox 3.0 that are to be released in the near future, because surely, a new version has to mean new and upgraded features? No. Not at all. No features (not even the features the whole Firefox community already use) are implemented, everything is still based on extensions (“Hey, we are aware of the flawed Bookmark setup, but we don’t care to do anything about it. Let us link to our extensions page, encouraging someone else to take action instead”). Let us just hope that the page loading times have been reduced, and that the cache is stored properly. Then, perhaps, FF will be usable. So what am I left with? IE that s***s my balls, FF that screws up my setup, my eyes and my cardio and Opera that makes me turn on the ball s***** alternative (IE) every once in a while. Is this all there is? Last time I checked we were entering 2008. I’m going mental. Edited December 31, 2007 by serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Party Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 lol...poor you :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadgeek9 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 3 words... Get - a - Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Party Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 ''get a mac'''--- he's talking about browsers...not OS''s and lol....i think Safari/camino isnt really gonna help ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeta_immersion Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 i use opera now ... firefox/mozilla is not my cup of tea although my university uses them .. and ie i decided not to use it due to some features (by no mean opera is perfect but at this point in time opera is better for me) ... i do like safari though but since my mac has "lets say been put to better use PPC version) i dont have it" .... i think each browser apeals to different people so choose which ever suits your needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdxg0d Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Opera is great i dont need to use IE7 at all, and all pages render fine, i think your hallucinating, Stick with Opera it works, its comfortable, and its not bloated with extensions with memory leaks like Firefox, IE7 will always be garbage, unfortunately, and as for the person saying to switch to OSX, my brother uses OSX and i've dabbed with it and Safari is complete crap, along with Camino and well Opera is the browser he now uses on the Alien operating system (no pun intended). I think all in all just stick to one browser, and if you find issues report them on the developers blogs, emails, and if possible newsgroups. I know Opera communicates great with its userbase. Opera 9.50b is coming along nicely and yes it has flaws but the more ppl that use the browser and report the gripes the better the final version will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serious Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 i use opera now ... firefox/mozilla is not my cup of tea although my university uses them .. and ie i decided not to use it due to some features (by no mean opera is perfect but at this point in time opera is better for me) ... i do like safari though but since my mac has "lets say been put to better use PPC version) i dont have it" .... i think each browser apeals to different people so choose which ever suits your needs I totally agree with you. I'm fine with the extensions Mozilla apparently focuses on, but I can’t for that matter understand the extreme fuzz surrounding the browser. Firefox itself obviously sucks out of the box, and thankfully Mozilla corp. is man enough to admit that. How can a browser get all this positive feedback when there are so many obvious flaws (memory leakage is just one)? Hopefully Firefox shining reputation doesn’t originate from open source fanboys in white shining armors, but from something else, most hopefully from the easy-to-customize-engine. But I don’t honestly know. I’m just saying, there HAS to be something else! Why can’t Opera corp. build a new broswer based on the Firefox engine, turning everyone (me) happy? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I switch between using ff and opera s my primary browsers alot, since I was Disappointed with ff2 I had been using opera, but I love the newest ff3 beta so far, MUCH faster and the ui is way more responsive, and the memory issues seem to have been dealt with. I really like opera itself better than firefox because it is so much more out of the box, while still being faster and lighter than firefox, but the compatibility issues annoy the hell out of me too.I actually really like IE7's ui better than firefox and opera's because it's just very sleek and clean, but the ui is just unresponsive and even slower than firefox 2's and scrolling lags badly, and this is with a dual core and 4 gb ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadBoat89 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Installed it and was surprised to see that no features at all from Opera had been adopted. Or, for that matter, no features at all. After a while I noticed that the memory usage went up. High. ?Well, I bought 2GB of RAM for a reason, it should be used? I said to myself and didn?t bother further. I also noticed that the web experience was terrible slow. Pages didn?t cache properly (try going back and forth in a slow loading forum for example) and scrolling made page blurry and whole pages lagged. When compared to Opera this was and is a huge drawback for Firefox. So I went on to a new Opera 9.50 version, still in beta, hoping to find most of the compatibility problems dealt with. I read a bit about Firefox 3.0 that are to be released in the near future, because surely, a new version has to mean new and upgraded features? No. Not at all. No features (not even the features the whole Firefox community already use) are implemented, everything is still based on extensions (?Hey, we are aware of the flawed Bookmark setup, but we don?t care to do anything about it. Let us link to our extensions page, encouraging someone else to take action instead?). Let us just hope that the page loading times have been reduced, and that the cache is stored properly. Then, perhaps, FF will be usable. dude, all 3 browsers are different... if firefox copied all the features opera had they would have an identity crisis. each browser had their strengths and weaknesses. i personally think that mozilla should not add anything that makes firefox something else other than a standalone browser. thats where extentions come in. everybody could customize it to their needs. web designers can modify the browser to detect errors in their code and edit css... list goes on. as for page rendering, its not just the browser... maybe the server is slow... anyways you could adjust the delay firefox has before it actually renders the page (this allows the browser to download the information before it gets displayed) for firefox 3, it is way better, its so good that i've made it my primary browser, sure some things may not work with the never version, but most of the stuff i use work. new version don't necessarily mean new features. the main thing for firefox 3 is mostly backend stuff like gecko 1.9 and performance upgrades. I guess the only thing users will notice instantly is the new interfaces that are going to be made. you are coming from years of using opera. with that said you shouldn't expect every single browser out there will behave like opera. each browser follows their own path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiHu Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Try the new Netscape Navigator. Its sweet :D I love it. http://browser.netscape.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadgeek9 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I use Firefox on all my computers (Windows (Laptop), Mac OS X (Mac), and Linux (Desktop). I have been using it since its earliest betas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serious Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) dude, all 3 browsers are different... *text* Thanks for your reply. No, i know all three browsers are different, although that's not the question here. The thing is, there are flaws in every browser I listed. Different flaws, but still flaws that for me are unacceptable in today's computerized world. I do not expect Firefox to behave like Opera, yet I find it strange that Mozilla didn't (and won't) implement for example real bookmark support. Everyone uses bookmarks, why not make it functionable out of the box? And a download manager? No? In the same way I find it unacceptable that Opera builds an engine that dosen't render pages correctly, or at least with greater accuracy than today. Yet, Firefox stutters when scrolling large images or sorta stutters when scrolling in text pages in a way Opera doesn't. I'm sick of everything. You wrote "as for page rendering, its not just the browser... maybe the server is slow...", and I don't know if I should be offended by that or not :huh: I know the difference between rendering a page through cache or through a server. The very same page renders at very different speeds when using Opera or Firefox, especially when using the back and forth features (buttons). Opera is de facto the fastest broweser to date (so they say at least), and I don't think that has to do with server bandwidth. I didn't expect the difference to be this large though, but now I know for sure. Btw, I've been using Firefox for a while (six months perhaps?), not just a week or so. Edited December 31, 2007 by serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 3 words...Get - a - Mac Safari sucks at memory too... 500 megs just for safari on a system where 1 gig is the most i can get (mac mini g4)... really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:: Lyon :: Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Try the new Netscape Navigator. It is sweet, but I got a lot of unresponsive script warnings, I don't know why :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeley Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Try the new Netscape Navigator.Its sweet :D I love it. http://browser.netscape.com/ In the same vain if NN9 doesn't float your boat, NN8 has both mozilla and trident built in and you can switch between the two easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadBoat89 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 You wrote "as for page rendering, its not just the browser... maybe the server is slow...", and I don't know if I should be offended by that or not :huh: I know the difference between rendering a page through cache or through a server. The very same page renders at very different speeds when using Opera or Firefox, especially when using the back and forth features (buttons). Opera is de facto the fastest broweser to date (so they say at least), and I don't think that has to do with server bandwidth. I didn't expect the difference to be this large though, but now I know for sure.Btw, I've been using Firefox for a while (six months perhaps?), not just a week or so. oh no don't be... if i were you i would instead jump to firefox 3, even if you were to sacrifice some extentions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoauld Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 3 words...Get - a - Mac fanboy alert browsers work the same on every OS and lets not forget how horrid safari is but have u tried seamonkey..i heard its alot faster than firefox and includes email etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abulfares Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 grab Firefox 3 Beta 2... way better bookmark system and download manager plus many more features and bug fixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 1, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 1, 2008 All i can suggest is to try Safari, you've tried the others. Try the new Netscape Navigator.Its sweet :D I love it. http://browser.netscape.com/ NN has been discontinued, and even then the latest version is just Firefox with a different theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiansv Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 (edited) From the sound of it, Opera would be your browser of choice due to speed and functionality, if not for site compatibility issues. I am not exactly clear on how long you've been trying out Firefox, but I can only suggest to try the Opera weeklies (for the upcoming 9.50) to see if they fix some of the sites you have problems with. If I were in your position, and no browser satisfies me completely, I'd go with the one I have least problems with (you know best which one that is). On a sidenote, if you were using Opera's adblocking, mouse gestures, notes, widgets, email, rss - and you try to get the functionality in firefox with extensions, best of luck to you. I've tried that (barring email, which I'd use a separate program for) and Firefox slows down to a crawl. It may be as fast as Opera out-of-the-box, but put some of the popular extensions on it and see how it fares then (I've tried several times, and I just can't manage to get it to work fast enough with everything I want from a browser). I suppose you can just hope that the browser companies will make your life easier one day. Best of luck :) edit: Oh, and if you are up for it, check out K-meleon, which is based on Gecko, has way more features out of the box than FF (no extensions) and is much faster (probably on par with Opera). And, of course, there are the various IE shells. Edited January 1, 2008 by villiansv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 From the sound of it, Opera would be your browser of choice due to speed and functionality, if not for site compatibility issues. I am not exactly clear on how long you've been trying out Firefox, but I can only suggest to try the Opera weeklies (for the upcoming 9.50) to see if they fix some of the sites you have problems with. If I were in your position, and no browser satisfies me completely, I'd go with the one I have least problems with (you know best which one that is).On a sidenote, if you were using Opera's adblocking, mouse gestures, notes, widgets, email, rss - and you try to get the functionality in firefox with extensions, best of luck to you. I've tried that (barring email, which I'd use a separate program for) and Firefox slows down to a crawl. It may be as fast as Opera out-of-the-box, but put some of the popular extensions on it and see how it fares then (I've tried several times, and I just can't manage to get it to work fast enough with everything I want from a browser). I suppose you can just hope that the browser companies will make your life easier one day. Best of luck :) edit: Oh, and if you are up for it, check out K-meleon, which is based on Gecko, has way more features out of the box than FF (no extensions) and is much faster (probably on par with Opera). And, of course, there are the various IE shells. Yeah and firefox extentions like the speeddial one for example are SO much slower than the same feature in opera, they often don't work as well or lack some functionality and can be buggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadBoat89 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yeah and firefox extentions like the speeddial one for example are SO much slower than the same feature in opera, they often don't work as well or lack some functionality and can be buggy. and thank goodness there's an alternative to speeddial for firefox... its name: fast dial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncidentFlux Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Been using Opera browser for 7 years, started using it out of hardware need. However lately I'm starting to feel the same way. Opera has stopped listening to user feedback. Being on the cutting edge is fine, but you gotta beef up some of the day-to day stuff first! Like backend download acceleration and a better download manager, or clear private data on exit, one button backup option to backup bookmarks, session toolbars etc, in one go. The only page compatibilty issue I'd to deal with is HSBC UAE's banking site. Only other browser I kinda enjoyed using was Sea Monkey, but its not fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiHu Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 All i can suggest is to try Safari, you've tried the others.NN has been discontinued, and even then the latest version is just Firefox with a different theme. I find it to be quite different, performance wise. It uses less resources and its faster.. Atleast for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serious Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 *lauging* Just woke up (Sweden) and checked the Browser board. Read this topic and when I came to the first answer i felt my blood pressure rise to a dangerously high level. Q: How do I get rid of the menu bar in FF? A: You use an addon called Personal menu or Hide menu. And don't get me wrong now, I really appreciate the question and answer, and i've got absolutely nothing against the two authors, it's the essence that makes my insanity rise. I mean, seriously!? When there's a need for an addon to remove a menu there must be something seriously wrong. I need to get a anger management course... Radicalmms: Yeah, that's true, i've never thought of the lack of "backup" options. In Firefox there is (afterall) an extension called FEBE that does just that... Do you all think i'm beeing contradictive? Yes, I am. However, that's kind of the point of this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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