Slimy Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Neowin has always had a mix of copy & paste newsposts and original newsposts. We definitely have more copy & paste news though, and I'm interested if our readers care. I've only seen a couple of comments complaining about news being "ripped off" from another source, usually members seem perfectly fine with it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the content front page news. Note: This is to satisfy my curiosity and I do not guarantee any changes from the News Staff as a whole. I may change my habits, but that's about it. Nevertheless, I'm sure other staff members will find the results interesting and probably vote themselves. edit: Added second poll question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I don't really visit other tech sites, so a lot of the news in the tech world that I get comes from here, so I'm all for the Copy/Paste scheme. What you have now works fine, don't fix what's not broken :p -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pajter Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I don't really visit other tech sites, so a lot of the news in the tech world that I get comes from here, so I'm all for the Copy/Paste scheme. What you have now works fine, don't fix what's not broken :p-Spenser Completely agree. I like the fact that I can still read all other news here, so I don't have to visit other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 No problem with the copy + paste. I do have problems with the worthless stories though. Such as the one about the run once site being down. Who gives a crap? No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 copy+paste means more news which is good and unique content is also good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 I do have problems with the worthless stories though. Such as the one about the run once site being down. Who gives a crap? No one. 700+ views in 2 hours would beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarFalcon Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I like the mix, but would like to see more original stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rappy Veteran Posted January 25, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2008 No problem with the copy + paste.I do have problems with the worthless stories though. Such as the one about the run once site being down. Who gives a crap? No one. True I see some of the stories would be better off in the BPN of the forum rather then Front Page but they will get views due to the high number of people on the feed. I don't like the Copy and Paste function I like to see a story written original and first hand not something that someone else has done, a re-written story can be alot better then the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallithrax Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 As long as the point is made it doesn't matter if it is "cut and paste" or newly written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User6060 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 If its a pure copy & paste from another site I wouldn't mind as much if there was a little newsposters' comment in a supplementary paragraph or soemthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeR Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 How about instead of just copy & paste, the story is summarized in posters own words - take a look for instance what some of the more popular blogs do; gizmodo, engadget,.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 700+ views in 2 hours would beg to differ. RSS feed. I'll show up as viewing it even though I didn't read anything but the blurb. Ever noticed that ALL stories on the front page get about the same number of hits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted January 25, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2008 I like the mix, but would like to see more original storiesAgreed. The regular "plain vanilla" news cut from other sources is a good foundation (otherwise Neowin would be only reviews & editorials). I like the Neowin original content, as well, and seeing a bit more of it would be welcome! (Y)How about instead of just copy & paste, the story is summarized in posters own words - take a look for instance what some of the more popular blogs do; gizmodo, engadget,..Any time a newsie adds editorial content, they get blasted for "spin" or "altering content". I think that the division of copied news from editorial content and home-grown reviews is a good thing to maintain. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDogg Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Lots of sites do c&p stories I don't have a problem with it. However, I like the ones that when they do a c&p still give their own view on the story as well. Lots of the really popular blogs and/or news sites do that exact thing. Just plain c&p without no opinion of the poster's own view does seem a little bit cheap. Having said that, it's not always necessary either..some stories stand on their own. And I would suggest making your own words recognizable, like 'My take' or 'My opinion is' or something along those lines. And the c&p part should be quoted and credit given (of course, yes I know neowin does that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 Ever noticed that ALL stories on the front page get about the same number of hits? You couldn't be farther from the truth with that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac+windows Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I only have a problem when some guy posts news and they mix everything around in the post, it doesnt match the article. On forums like this i tend to do my articles a more professional way. Title <Article goes here I tend to keep it at 2 paragraphs mostly the first 2. if not then the first and one that couild tie in to the first in a summery>. . . . . . . . . . . . . :globe: Title of website where info came from this way seems so much more professional on the forums then just copy and paste or some 13 or 14 year old just coping a news article and mixing everything around to a point where it doesnt make sense or doesnt even match the article at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted January 26, 2008 Subscriber¹ Share Posted January 26, 2008 Ideally, I'd like a happy medium of Copied and self-made stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted January 26, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2008 I don't mind reading copy and paste articles, but it could lead to other sites bashing us saying "oh they only copy and paste the interweb!". I do notice when you guys write your own mix of things, and to me it doesn't make much difference, it's not like I skip over self-written articles. Afterall, the sites catch phrase is "where unprofessional journalism look better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Ideally, I'd like a happy medium of Copied and self-made stories. And that happy medium is? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarFalcon Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Any time a newsie adds editorial content, they get blasted for "spin" or "altering content". I think that the division of copied news from editorial content and home-grown reviews is a good thing to maintain. :yes: Good point. I agree (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadgeek9 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I believe that we should mix the two, but there needs to be less copy and paste news stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac+windows Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I dont get the "where unprofessional journalism look better" thing...... and also i personly dont care if so and so copied and pasted, just as long as they include a source I'm happy. Perhaps if there is copy and paste you make a requirement both on the front page and on the forums to copy and paste 2 paragraphs. that way the entire article isnt copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shof Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 copy and paste in the long run is better for news staff since they are not real journalism or get paid for doing what they have to do :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted January 27, 2008 Veteran Share Posted January 27, 2008 Good post, good point. I've always believed that for this site to remain unique it needed to harness the power of its forums + members with a strong brand for independent news. Now, all news papers 'copy paste' other content -typically in the form of syndicated AP of articles etc - so I don't think you'll ever see it gone completely. After all, we can't cover everything. However, Neowin needs to continue driving independently produced content. Quality news content drives links, page views, ad revenue and new forum members - and we stick around for the long run (7 yrs and counting)! It's worth seriously investing in admins! :rolleyes: You can't rely on the forums for ever. Whilst the forums here have provided a 'conversation' between content producers and readers and makes the site quite 'sticky', one questions how long the model holds - RSS, twitter, etc make blogs and other websites much more interactive and provide a medium for the conversation - although whether they drive the same sense of community a forum like neowin's does is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+StevoFC MVC Posted January 27, 2008 MVC Share Posted January 27, 2008 I think the front page needs content other than news. More in house reviews, editorials, or tutorials. Anything that could only be found here, and maybe the person's own personal site who made it. Original content is the key to growth. Copy and paste jobs aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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