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Why? He's only asking a question, and in the next paragraph asks why the PS3 has the Cell (Hardly too fanboy-ish).

He said he didn't like the 360....so what does that tell you?

I am sorry, but you can't just come on here and and start saying "I want the PS3 to do better, as I don't like the 360" that right there is bias all on its own.

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i agree that its hard to compare them spec wise, only a fool would go into that argument. For all intensive purposes (ahem, gaming remember?), they both can do about the same. No, but many will not accept this, because, "the 360 has more potential," or, "it runs better on the 360," this only takes us back to the issue that game developers have gotten to know the hardware better, i.e. YES, ps3 development is suffering, i will grant that. but thus, it only appears to have more potential than the ps3 currently, in time i'm pretty sure we'll look back and see that they both very much brought the same amount of graphics/game play, etc.

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He said he didn't like the 360....so what does that tell you?

I am sorry, but you can't just come on here and and start saying "I want the PS3 to do better, as I don't like the 360" that right there is bias all on its own.

I think the Sony section is the one place people are allowed to say that :rofl:

C'mon, this is the SONY console section of the forum.

And people are allowed to not like the 360, you know?

But then again, you have already judged him...

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I love fan boys, having owned both consoles. I can say in my eyes the PS3 is the better of the two consoles. There are just to many games coming to the PS3 and not the 360. A part from Halo 3 which in my eyes was far from amazing, what other games are really must haves that you can not get on the PC ? Forza,PGR4 I am sure there are a few others but I have GT5 for all my driving needs.

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I love fan boys, having owned both consoles. I can say in my eyes the PS3 is the better of the two consoles. There are just to many games coming to the PS3 and not the 360. A part from Halo 3 which in my eyes was far from amazing, what other games are really must haves that you can not get on the PC ? Forza,PGR4 I am sure there are a few others but I have GT5 for all my driving needs.

The only problem with this statement is that the have been "coming" for over a year.

Must haves that are not on the PC?

Halo 3

Chromehounds

Armored Core 4

Mass Effect

Assassin's Creed (at the moment anyway).

Forza

And just because you can "get them on PC" doesn't mean everyone has the rig to play those games. So the 360 has a large library of games that are pretty high quality, compared to the numerous flops in the PS3 library.

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My opinion based solely on what I have read (neowin or otherwise):

They are pretty evenly matched. About as well as an apple mates an orange. They are both gaming consoles, capable of similar levels of graphics/speed/etc. If anything, I would say the PS3 is SLIGHTLY in the technological lead.

That said, I believe the 360 is easier to develop on, and so may produce better results.

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^^^Bioshock, Gears of War (the latter of which is on PC, but is more known for it's 360 counterpart, I'd say).

The PS3 doesn't really have that many games...period.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a tad sick of hearing about the PS3's potential and seeing nothing come of it and people trying to use the PS3's potential as an argument, as if potential has anything to do with what will happen.

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I won't be drawn into a massive flame war. However Mass Effect yes I will give you that one.

Bioshock PC game

Gears Of War PC game

Assassin's Creed own it on the PS3. In fact there are only two games I can think of I am missing out on. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey ! Yes I love my RPGS, of course which console in the long run will have the better choice ? KH3,Star Ocean,FF13 who knows what else SE have planned !

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^^^Here we go again with future plans.

The Xbox 360 has already proven over and over again that it can deliver and I don't see any reason for it to stop. All the PS3 has done it tout how, at some future point in time that probably doesn't even exist, it will probably start to surpass the 360 in some extremely subjective form. Somehow Sony has gotten people to fall for it all and I'm glad I won't be there when a lot of people who've got higher expectations that they should are let down.

I don't know why you'd bring up PC stuff in a console thread - I think most people own consoles because they don't care to play PC games anymore. As such, Bioshock and GoW both count.

-Spenser

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I won't be drawn into a massive flame war. However Mass Effect yes I will give you that one.

Bioshock PC game

Gears Of War PC game

Bioshock - IMHO it was better on the 360 (I have both versions)

GoW - a year later on PC.

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I am not saying when they came out, I am saying right now what can I play on my PC. I am glad you find Bioshock better on the 360 but I can still play it on the PC.

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^^^AFAIK, they both can run a game natively at whatever resolution the developer wants. The devs usually pick 720p because it doesn't sacrifice much quality and they can get a lot better performance out of their games.

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Does the 360 or PS3 actually have the computing power to run a game at a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 or does it just have to upscale everything?

depends on the game.

Some like Virtua Tennis 3 are proper 1080p. Most are 720p, and then some (Halo 3, CoD4 for example) run at a resolution that is less than 720p

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Does the 360 or PS3 actually have the computing power to run a game at a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 or does it just have to upscale everything?

The 360 has more GPU power, but I doubt either console could actually run games at 1920x1080, atleast at a decent frame rate

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depends on the game.

Some like Virtua Tennis 3 are proper 1080p. Most are 720p, and then some (Halo 3, CoD4 for example) run at a resolution that is less than 720p

wel technically in terms of how many picels are actually rendered, H3 is closerto 1080 ;)

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wel technically in terms of how many picels are actually rendered, H3 is closerto 1080 ;)

:huh:

Halo 3 runs at 640p

The 360 has more GPU power, but I doubt either console could actually run games at 1920x1080, atleast at a decent frame rate

GT5 is going for (it's even confirmed) 1080p at 60FPS.

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:huh:

Halo 3 runs at 640p

GT5 is going for (it's even confirmed) 1080p at 60FPS.

I'm sure I read something about Halo 3 rendering two frames at once or something. (so instead of 1 frame at 720p or whatever, it does 2 frames at 640p). Not too sure though, could be totally wrong with that.

With GH5, haven't been following it, but I don't think anything as been confirmed. I do know however that the 1UP yours guys said that prologue isn't 1080p.

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I'm sure I read something about Halo 3 rendering two frames at once or something. (so instead of 1 frame at 720p or whatever, it does 2 frames at 640p). Not too sure though, could be totally wrong with that.

With GH5, haven't been following it, but I don't think anything as been confirmed. I do know however that the 1UP yours guys said that prologue isn't 1080p.

I'm not sure how the rendering things works but I don't think it's as simple as saying it's 2 x 640p, as 2 x 640p would = 1280p?

http://www.gamerawr.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-only-runs-at-640p/

I read that and it seems pretty self explanitory. The game runs at a resolution of 1138?640.

As for GT5 they did confirm 1080p/60FPS many times in interviews, however doing some research there..

"GT5 Prologue works in1280x1080> and uses PS3 upscaling trick - by repeating some pixels in anamorphic picture to 1920x1080. So 50% upscale.(It's actually less than GT HD's 1440x1080) 1280x1080 and 2xAA 1280x720 and 4xAA Confirmed by the same guy from Halo 3 resolution discovery (Quaz51).

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...=43330&page=24 "GT5 prologue demo is 1280x1080p (yamauchi know than in car game the vertical resolution is the most important for the visibility) but with MSAA 2x now ! it's a very good Compromise they also very improved the display of grills and electric wires and aliasing problems (compare electric wires in GT-HD and in this demo, it's big big gap), the texture filtering is very clean and the HDR ligthing is awesome! All this in 60fps with 16 photorealistics cars, it's impressive the show room and the pit/garage is full 1920x1080 no AA""

Dunno how true that is, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

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I'm sure I read something about Halo 3 rendering two frames at once or something. (so instead of 1 frame at 720p or whatever, it does 2 frames at 640p). Not too sure though, could be totally wrong with that.

You're correct.

One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at ?640p? which isn?t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3?s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?

Naturally it?s more complicated tIn fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers ? both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see ? lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible ? so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately ?real? feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the

?almost-720p? image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it?s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet?s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven?t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings.

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?ty...s&cid=12821

-Spenser

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This was not meant to be a mine is better than yours topic. Thank yourselves.

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