+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted January 31, 2008 I've just been reading about Sony's financial results, in particular the PlayStation sales.First, the good news: Sony's games division has made the first profit in two years. Playstation 3 Here's the bad news: Sony is cutting its sales goal for PS3 to 9.5 million units for the year from 11 million. So is PS3 succeeding or not? It depends on how you measure it. In comparison to the Wii, the PlayStation is a failure for Sony. Wii sales are stronger, faster and despite predictions of being short-lived, show staying power. But compared to 360 sales, it may be good news for Sony. Xbox 360 sales are slowing - and worryingly for Microsoft they are slowing during a period of arguably its greatest games line-up. So what does 2008 hold? I don't believe titles like Haze or Metal Gear Solid 4 will shift that many more PS3s. But I do think Blu-ray's impact will begin to bite Microsoft. Few observers believe that HD-DVD will ever be anything more than the second placed finisher in a two horse race. And the growing library of Blu-ray titles, coupled with the PS3's capability to take on new features, makes the console an ever more practical choice as a next-gen disc player. Throw in the console's ability to connect to a PSP remotely - and remember sales forecasts for PSPs are positive - plus the growing media hub functionality, and PS3 may not be the lame duck some thought it was 12 months ago. Sony boss Howard Stringer believes PS3 is now "out of the woods". But let's not forget the R&D costs associated with the PlayStation 3 - Sony are many, many years away from recouping the costs of that development effort into the Cell processor and Blu-ray technology. Until that happens, the PS3 is still camping in the forest. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008...or_empty_1.html First I've heard about the drop from 11m to 9.5m, certainly more realisitic... but a view on of how slow progress is going? What do you think about the hardware sales between the two giants this year? This isn't a e-penis voting poll, try be neutal and realistic. As i've said this generation every console will be a winner regardless of what position each finishes in as each console this year is going to kick ass with everything they offer (Y) If you despise Sony/PS3 and can't say anything that won't want make me want to wash your mouth out with soap, leave this topic for those who actually care. Also im talking worldwide sales, not just America. My vote is yes, but broken down with the "ifs"... PS3 will be outsold in America by the 360 however the PS3 will outsell the 360 in Europe & Japan and have enough sales in America to slightly tip it ahead overall. I think this will go through if the HD war dies off soon, and Blu Ray is crowned official winner. Sony should drop the price to $299 after that for the 40GB model (?225-?250 UK please, ?200 would be nice, but it's not realistic), and then I see the PS3 selling like hotcakes as Blu Ray players. If the above things DONT happen in Q1/Q2, my vote goes undecided - too early to tell/u>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Ninja Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 first I heard of them cutting from 11m to 9.5. I read now it will sell 13m here http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=121632 they are already at 10.5m. I do believe the PS3 will out sell the 360 this year in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troist Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think Sony will certainly start catching up with MS, but I really doubt they'll overtake them. The main reason I've kept my PS3 atm is for the blu-ray player, and I think that the blu-ray player is definately going to help the PS3 keep strong sales. The fact that some really good games are coming out for the PS3 this year should also help it too since imo MS have a much better library of games out at the moment. Home I don't think will make a massive impact on sales... Its a nice feature, but I really don't think it'll be overwhelmingly popular. I probably won't use it much (especially if theres an alternative "2D" menu which I'd find much easier/quicker to use). It sounds more like a novelty than a selling point. One thing I hope Home brings is features that XBL has at the moment that PSN just doesn't... Gamerscore (or similar) for starters. One thing about the PS3 is that its an awesome media hub... It has a upgradable HDD, pretty decent streaming over the network and blu-ray. I have to admit I hardly ever game on my PS3, but I do use it for media a hell of a lot more than the 360. With higher adoption rates of HDTVs in the UK at least this will definately help sales this year. If last year was the year for the 360/Wii then this year should definately be the year for Sony. I might finally use my PS3 for gaming with all the new exclusives coming out :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowRanger13 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) In JP and EU I think PS3 will outsell 360 for 2008. US I think 360 can still outsell PS3 but probably not by much. Look at my signature to see PS3 and 360 sales to date. Both 360 and PS3 have pretty good sales. Anyone that says PS3 isn't selling obviously didn't get the memo :p Sony's goal was to sell 12million PS3s by March. I didn't even think they would make it but considering there already at 10.5million they probably will pull it off. Edited January 31, 2008 by cloudstrife13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolix Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Considering the xbox has a year in advantage, the PS3 is doing pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowRanger13 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Considering the xbox has a year in advantage, the PS3 is doing pretty good. Thats one thing I've been trying to say for a while, expecially to some friends I know in life. I'll act out what happens with a good friend of mine. friend: Xbox 360 is killing Playstation 3me: actually when you look at sales to how long it's been out it's pretty close friend: playstation fanboy! Funny thing is before 360, and PS3 came out this guy was the biggest PS3 fan saying that 360 stood no chance. I was the one telling him "360 going to do better then you think, it's really got something with XBL and it's easier to program for" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windam Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Sony is catching up indeed Microsoft had a good reign but there's always an end to something taking constant advantage (not to say there will be allot of good games out for the 360 for years to ######) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think Blu Ray will swing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRambo Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thats one thing I've been trying to say for a while, expecially to some friends I know in life. I'll act out what happens with a good friend of mine. Funny thing is before 360, and PS3 came out this guy was the biggest PS3 fan saying that 360 stood no chance. I was the one telling him "It's going to do better then you think" Thats because sony said a lot of promises that they couldnt keep. For example (three one gigabit ethernet ports, 2 hdmi ports outputting to 2 tvs at 1080p) I used to want a Ps3 up until the final specs were released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolix Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Honestly, that was a little too much. I don't see a situation were an user needs those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowRanger13 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thats because sony said a lot of promises that they couldnt keep. For example (three one gigabit ethernet ports, 2 hdmi ports outputting to 2 tvs at 1080p)I used to want a Ps3 up until the final specs were released Yeah the fact that PS3 was going to be able to output 1080p on two different HDMI outputs really got peoples hopes up about how powerful the console was. I do agree that it was dumb for them to announce all those features then cut them but were you really going to use both HDMI ports? Were you really going to use PS3 as a router? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn00pie Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 The PS3 will outsell the X360 this year everywhere, I'm certain about that. There is only a 7 million gap between X360 sales and PS3 sales (according to cloudstrife13's signature), thats really good considering the X360 had a 1 year head start. The Nintendo Wii has already run off with the crown, no point in even debating over that. It's mainly a race for 2nd place, and the PS3 is gaining momentum on the X360. I'm positive that we may see the PS3 overtake the X360 sale numbers by early 2009 or even sooner. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPrime Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) Launch + First year: PS3: 10.49 million 360: 10.4 million Very close there, PS3 slightly ahead looking at the same time periods. Europe seems to be helping. Also, I didn't expect Sony to make a profit in their game division this soon. Surprised by that. Edited January 31, 2008 by AlphaPrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 31, 2008 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 31, 2008 Launch + First year:PS3: 10.49 million 360: 10.4 million Very close there, PS3 slightly ahead looking at the same time periods. Europe seems to be helping. Also, I didn't expect Sony to make a profit in their game division this soon. Surprised by that. Yeah it's pretty similar. Add to the pot the 360 came out in europe a month later than america I believe, for the PS3, the PS3 came out in europe 5 months later! (nov - march) Which means the PS3 hasn't been out in Europe for a year for another month and a bit. I actually can't wait till im sitting reflecting on how good 2008 will be for each console in december 08 - And we'll finally know by then if half the **** Sony promised is out :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomnut Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 As a games console, the ps3 has failed. The controller is awful, cheap and tacky, and PSN doesn't hold a candle to live, let alone have any content. Being a blu ray player is what it does best, and what it does better than stand alones currently. This is the reason I bought a PS3 and don't look back, blu rays look awesome and the speed and responsiveness is unrivaled. It does certainy come across like gaming was an afterthought for Sony, they are banking on the playstation name to get Blu ray into homes, and on that count it's working (Y) If you despise Sony/PS3 and can't say anything that won't want make me want to wash your mouth out with soap, leave this topic for those who actually care. And no, I don't despise Sony, I despise your threads that try and quash discussion because you, like half the other fanboys on this forum, can't take any anti-sony truths whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 31, 2008 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 31, 2008 And no, I don't despise Sony, I despise your threads that try and quash discussion because you, like half the other fanboys on this forum, can't take any anti-sony truths whatsoever. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I don't think it'll outsell the 360 this year. I don't think it's lineup will push games as much as some people think (and not to mention the 360 has a great lineup this year also), and I also don't think Bluray is going to catch on just yet. I think it'll do strong sales, and won't be outsold 2:1 by the 360 for the whole year (in it's largest market), but I don't think it'll be strong enough yet to outsell the 360. I never pretended the 360 would keep it's lead, and didn't really think it'd be doing quite as good as it is at the moment (I mean, last I heard, in 4 years, the original Xbox sold something just over 20 million, and the 360 is at 18 million after 2 years), but it's a contender, and no matter what the outcome, Sony's never going to get close to the kind of market dominance it had just a few years ago and I think the industry is better off that way. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowRanger13 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 As a games console, the ps3 has failed. The controller is awful, cheap and tacky, and PSN doesn't hold a candle to live, let alone have any content. How has it failed as a game system? Ok so you don't like the controller, I happen to like it. The DualShock 3 is a lot better then the SIXAXIS and should of been around from the start but in no way did that make the system fail. PSN does a pretty good job considering it's free and does not have a single ad. I have no problem paying for Xbox Live Gold but when I find ads on my dashboard after I'm already a premium member, you know there making money on that. PSN still has a unified username thought all games, some games you can check whos online some you can't they really need to force that it (witch it will when in game XMB comes along), Inviting across game really needs to be done but again that will be done once in game XMB comes in a few months. Yes Live is a better online experience no doubt, but PSN has room for improvement and will in 2008. Doesn't have any content? I'm tired of people pulling out this line. There are a number of exclusives that came out in 2007 that were very good and I felt made great games. Yes 360s 2007 lineup KILLED PS3s (someone I feel that is going to get quoted into someone's sig.... lol) but IMO 2008 PS3 seems to have the better line up. Now not all these games are confirmed for 2008 but most of them are. Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Final Fantasy XIII, Kill Zone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, Gran Turismo 5, and White Knight Chronicles. All those games are excuives and most of them are known to push console sales. Other ones like Little Big Planet and White Knight Chronicles don't have previous games so aren't known to push sales but are highly expected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Voted No - too soon, maybe later As a games console, the ps3 has failed. The controller is awful, cheap and tacky, and PSN doesn't hold a candle to live, let alone have any content.snip All of the above are your opinions - I find the controller fine, could be heavier but probably is on DS3. PSN is just as stable, if not more than LIVE (*cough* christmas downtime *cough*). Will probably add ingame-xmb and invites this year(you know, the only thing LIVE does more than PSN...invites..) - not to many it is still free of charge PSN content is plenty-full with regular updates every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Honestly, atm they are pretty much neck and neck. Both sold roughly the same amount in the first year. However, the 360 hardly anything in japan. But, the PS3 was 4 months later in europe. I can see the PS3 slowly catching up this year, but not overtaking the 360. Next year, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I was rooting for Sony (get it?) most of the time. I mean, how can you not support a company that brought you the PS1 and PS2? However, it's easy to see that this generation of consoles is clearly dominated by the 360. Best controller, best games... despite its instability. Now, while the numbers are surely for the Wii, I don't consider the Wii to be the real gamer's choice. It sorely lacks in the kind of games the people want. (hell, I've been asking for some RPGs since N64) However, it is pretty much a perfect choice for children. Cheap, fun, and interactive. Nintendo has made a success here, that's for sure, but the 360 still holds the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Blu-Ray will help the PS3 a lot, because isn't it one of the best players out there? And I could see the PS3 overtaking the 360 in sales in Europe and Japan, but not USA, not in '08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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