Groovedude Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm not worked up, just chipping in my thoughts on a) why this may be a hoax/not true and b) how impractical it could be right now - Especially with this only supposedly working on debug PS3s - How many of us own one of them?If you dig into the comments on certain websites, you'll see there has been quite a nasty history of mud flinging between certain "ps3 hacking" websites, and a lot of hoaxes pulled. The hardware of the PS3 will prolong modding for soo long, then it will be compromised by reducing Blu Ray PC burner prices and reducing disc prices. The area Sony and MS have the upper hand is with online play/online detection. MS seem to do "ok", but their process of banning people can seem completely random at times, with people who play backups online 24/7 for years not getting banned and somebody who has played 1 game online getting banned. I really don't know what algorithms MS go on, but they definitely don't seem to have a sureshot system in place. Going on my knowledge of how the 360 custom firmware works, something like that on a PS3 could work.... although we are talking Blu Ray discs here, which are new technology and no one right now knows if a 1:1 backup of a PS3 game burnt to a Blu Ray disc would work and be undetected. Early days, but we'll see what appears over time. One thing you can bet on though CFW on the PS3, will probably be shut down much quicker than the PSP IMO - There is far more money to lose on the PS3 than there is on the PSP with piracy. going to the part about custom firmware etc.. seeing a copied 1:1 game run. not needed. the psp and original xbox ran games from memory source *MEMORY CARD* / *HARD DRIVE* But yeah there has been lots of hoaxing, people just have too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfista Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 is installing games to a sepereta hard disk would be illegal or legal? I always wanted to know if i can install UT3 to decrease the loading times on a usb harddisk... I want to install that game but dont want to mess with my 40 gb harddisk space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooSH Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 to those people that are talking about banning the consoles, its a lot easier that you think. all ps3s come with a built in network card, so essentially each has a unique MAC Address. all they have to do is block that address. Second your going to FORCE developers to use up all 25GB? how? by telling them to put random images and music files on there? highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2008 to those people that are talking about banning the consoles, its a lot easier that you think. all ps3s come with a built in network card, so essentially each has a unique MAC Address. all they have to do is block that address. Second your going to FORCE developers to use up all 25GB? how? by telling them to put random images and music files on there? highly unlikely. Ever heard of "padding" ? :p My point was more aimed at games that geniunely use some variation of padding that have been ripped by the scene and have that padding removed/compressed in some way. Therefore CRC files won't check out on a retail disc and the image you are playing. It's one of the security checks MS have in place to ban from XBL. No one even knows if all these rips we have of blu ray games will even be valid - For example it's possible to rip a 360 game incorrectly but it still plays on the 360 - The issue is again the CRC values won't check out, MS pick up on that and ban your console. All the PS3 rips so far could be incorrect, or not 1:1 copies. We just don't know... With both consoles having a hard drive, trying to have a loader for images off the hard drive is the obvious way to try and go - It hasn't been possible on the 360 so far, but somehow it has on the PS3? I'm just very skeptical of this news, and skeptical it will even manifest itself into something useful for us (right now it supposedly only works on a debug PS3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Buried for inaccurate!!! [update: This will only work on test PS3 systems. This will NOT work on retail systems. Sorry for the confusion.] :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG- Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 to those people that are talking about banning the consoles, its a lot easier that you think. all ps3s come with a built in network card, so essentially each has a unique MAC Address. all they have to do is block that address. Second your going to FORCE developers to use up all 25GB? how? by telling them to put random images and music files on there? highly unlikely. Depending on how you look at these things. such things are easy to fake as well. There is obviously a function that returns the MAC Address. Override that and walah. you could just chuck back a random MAC address on every check just for good measure. They could also rip the videos, music and what not out of the images like they did with the PSP. Not ideal but theres always a way. Re-compress the Videos? Most of em are going to be a silly 1080p not very compressed video. Re-encode to a normal resolution and you save Gb's. just like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Depending on how you look at these things. such things are easy to fake as well. There is obviously a function that returns the MAC Address. Override that and walah. you could just chuck back a random MAC address on every check just for good measure. That isn't that easy. It's only just been made possible to do that on a 360, and you require to soldier some sort of "modchip" to your 360 motherboard, and then acquire a valid address from another unbanned 360. Edited February 12, 2008 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corris Veteran Posted February 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2008 Buried for inaccurate!!![update: This will only work on test PS3 systems. This will NOT work on retail systems. Sorry for the confusion.] :sleep: So in the world of gaming, nothing really happened at all..Woo! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Blue01 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 This hack would also have to be somehow removing the FAT32 limit on external drives. Well FAT32 does support volumes of 8TB and any DVD ISO will be over 4GB. Or they could another file system that is already paent-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2008 Well FAT32 does support volumes of 8TB and any DVD ISO will be over 4GB.Or they could another file system that is already paent-free. It does? FAT32 on my PC wouldn't allow a single file over 4GB. Nor would my portable FAT32 drive allow a file over 4GB to be place on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightIdea Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Well FAT32 does support volumes of 8TB and any DVD ISO will be over 4GB.Or they could another file system that is already paent-free. FAT32 supports 8TB volumes. But can only read files than are less than 4GB, give or take a few MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 ok, even though u can run games off the harddrive, dont u still need a modchip to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Wouldn't Sony be able to "force" developers to pad games to 20-25GB and then the CRC of the discs would be for 20-25GB.So if someone ripped the game, minus the padding to a 6-7GB ISO, then it would be blatantly obvious they were running a pirated game and easy to detect? Just going on my knowledge of how the 360 works. We have no idea if all these rips out there would work, and if any ever did what sort of protection Sony would have inplace. The very fact games are supposedly running off a hard drive and not a Blu Ray disc to me would mean easy to detect. Then you have the issue of would Sony do what MS do and just block consoles, or would they block your PSN ID from online play as well? Blocking PSN ids would be the way to go to stop piracy - MS clearly don't just to keep a revenue incoming (Live costs) and also to encourage pirates to go buy another 360. But my point was that a 20-25GB won't be that big of a deal to download sometime in the future. On the other hand, if it's just padding, it can be easily compressed (depending on the padding algorithm) to a much more manageable size and then extracted to the full size of the disc. There may even be ways to take out the padding upload/download and then re-insert the padding to get the same size and even the same CRC if the padding algorithm is compromised. I'm not saying this will happen, but it is a possibility. Where there is a will, there is a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Blue01 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 FAT32 supports 8TB volumes. But can only read files than are less than 4GB, give or take a few MB. Well, yes, so FAT32 isn't a great solution for external storage :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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