Time has come - linux for me.


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It still does just about the exact things that Vista can do, and more, at a fraction of the resources.

sigh...

FYI the site in your sig is just plain uninformed and wrong, and your unclever Vista thingy just makes you exactly what is wrong with Linux, mainly it's blind fan users who refuse to see where windows is better and where linux has lots of imporvement to go.

Ubuntu is nice, Fedore is also pretty good, but they've both got a long way to go. their user control and control panels are horrible and barely leave the user with any control and what control there is is placed all over the place.

PCLinuxOS is far ahead of both of thes it's at least as easy to use and set up as Ubuntu, but it's has a nice and organized control panel and it doesn't take away the control form the user in the same way that Ubuntu does, where Ubuntu is all automated PCLOS is automated but still has the tools and otpions for manual configuration WITH nice control panel apps and no just editing of abstract files.

Still saying that, I don't consider PCLOS a good enough desktop replacement yet either, and while 3D desktops in linux "can" run with lowerhardware than Vista's DWM/Aero... you realy shouldn't quality suffers, you'll end up with lots of slowdowns due to bad FPS and terrible tearing. Heck even hardware that handles Vista's aero just fine, have prolems with consitent FPS in compiz-fusion.

But sure if you consider being able to have 3D sow an important feature yeah, then compiz has more features than Windows, except for the fact that the Vista DWM is also designed to be able to support add in fucntionality so peopel could and have programmed desktop effects stuff such as snow thingies and such, a 3D cube desktop would also be able to be programmed as an addon fucntion/app for the Vista DWM desktop.

Yeah linux works fine and would be just fine for many work places, unless you use Exchange and Outlook or Office, unless you want to work with crossover, since OOo is still no good replacement for MS office.

Privately though. while Linux offers neat stuff, unpredictability and instability akes me stick to Vista. that and the fact I use 3DSMax and photoshop and I game. still I keep PCLOS installed on the laptop and boot it occasionally to test stuff. but basucally thee's nothign I can do in Linux I can't do in Vista, and theres nothign I can do better in linux than in Vista. However, there are things I can do in Vista I can't in linux, and there are things I can do better in Vista than linux.

But maybe if in the future Autodesk ports 3DSMAx to linux and Adobe makes photoshop for linux, then maybe, I'll use Linux more, if just to use linux and get better aquanted and skilled with it. While I can possibly see 3DSMAX being ported to linux (due it it probably merging with Maya in a future version wich is on Linux) I don't see Photoshop being ported anytime soon though.

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It still does just about the exact things that Vista can do, and more, at a fraction of the resources.
Well, ultimate99's PC is 2 GHZ with 256MB RAM. I think that the RAM might be on the lower end for Gnome, but right where XFCE would have a good time.
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Yeah linux works fine and would be just fine for many work places, unless you use Exchange and Outlook or Office, unless you want to work with crossover, since OOo is still no good replacement for MS office.

Privately though. while Linux offers neat stuff, unpredictability and instability akes me stick to Vista. that and the fact I use 3DSMax and photoshop and I game. still I keep PCLOS installed on the laptop and boot it occasionally to test stuff. but basucally thee's nothign I can do in Linux I can't do in Vista, and theres nothign I can do better in linux than in Vista. However, there are things I can do in Vista I can't in linux, and there are things I can do better in Vista than linux.

But maybe if in the future Autodesk ports 3DSMAx to linux and Adobe makes photoshop for linux, then maybe, I'll use Linux more, if just to use linux and get better aquanted and skilled with it. While I can possibly see 3DSMAX being ported to linux (due it it probably merging with Maya in a future version wich is on Linux) I don't see Photoshop being ported anytime soon though.

OO.o works just fine for me, transferring files to and from work, or emails from friends and such. You cannot say it is "no good" when it obviously does its job (if it didn't, I would find it unusable and not be able to communicate with others or do occasional work documents at home).

Autodesk may be a show-stopper for some. But, believe it or not, the computing majority doesn't use it.

Photoshop is geared toward professionals. For professional print works, the lack of CYMK is a deal-breaker for GIMP. But for home use, GIMP + $0 is better than PS + $$$ (though most of Neowin warezed it, I presume with all the "how do I make a transparent image" threads). If, for whatever reason, you need to use Photoshop in Linux, and GIMP will not do, there is a recent announcement that Google has paid to get wine code specifically written to support Photoshop.

Most of the holdbacks on Windows-only apps (and even general Operating System usage) is inertia. People "need" Photoshop, because they think they need Photoshop.

Linux systems are not unstable, as you stated. That is just plain wrong. Sure, a crappy admin can make his or her box unstable. Same as Windows. I guess since you had so many problems, you can probably guess where my first guess at the source of the problems would be...

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I was using Ubuntu on a virtual machine, and I found the start up a lot slower then XP or Vista.

You said you find Windows boot times too slow... how often do you restart or turn on your PC for that to be a factor?

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sigh...

FYI the site in your sig is just plain uninformed and wrong, and your unclever Vista thingy just makes you exactly what is wrong with Linux, mainly it's blind fan users who refuse to see where windows is better and where linux has lots of imporvement to go.

Ubuntu is nice, Fedore is also pretty good, but they've both got a long way to go. their user control and control panels are horrible and barely leave the user with any control and what control there is is placed all over the place.

PCLinuxOS is far ahead of both of thes it's at least as easy to use and set up as Ubuntu, but it's has a nice and organized control panel and it doesn't take away the control form the user in the same way that Ubuntu does, where Ubuntu is all automated PCLOS is automated but still has the tools and otpions for manual configuration WITH nice control panel apps and no just editing of abstract files.

Still saying that, I don't consider PCLOS a good enough desktop replacement yet either, and while 3D desktops in linux "can" run with lowerhardware than Vista's DWM/Aero... you realy shouldn't quality suffers, you'll end up with lots of slowdowns due to bad FPS and terrible tearing. Heck even hardware that handles Vista's aero just fine, have prolems with consitent FPS in compiz-fusion.

But sure if you consider being able to have 3D sow an important feature yeah, then compiz has more features than Windows, except for the fact that the Vista DWM is also designed to be able to support add in fucntionality so peopel could and have programmed desktop effects stuff such as snow thingies and such, a 3D cube desktop would also be able to be programmed as an addon fucntion/app for the Vista DWM desktop.

Yeah linux works fine and would be just fine for many work places, unless you use Exchange and Outlook or Office, unless you want to work with crossover, since OOo is still no good replacement for MS office.

Privately though. while Linux offers neat stuff, unpredictability and instability akes me stick to Vista. that and the fact I use 3DSMax and photoshop and I game. still I keep PCLOS installed on the laptop and boot it occasionally to test stuff. but basucally thee's nothign I can do in Linux I can't do in Vista, and theres nothign I can do better in linux than in Vista. However, there are things I can do in Vista I can't in linux, and there are things I can do better in Vista than linux.

But maybe if in the future Autodesk ports 3DSMAx to linux and Adobe makes photoshop for linux, then maybe, I'll use Linux more, if just to use linux and get better aquanted and skilled with it. While I can possibly see 3DSMAX being ported to linux (due it it probably merging with Maya in a future version wich is on Linux) I don't see Photoshop being ported anytime soon though.

Whatever turns your crank, sparky. I know better, and I should, after 25 years of using Microsoft's junk.

I was using Ubuntu on a virtual machine, and I found the start up a lot slower then XP or Vista.

You said you find Windows boot times too slow... how often do you restart or turn on your PC for that to be a factor?

Boot up for me, natively, was up to around 5 minutes eventually for Vista and around 1 minute for Ubuntu. What were you using as a virtual machine, Virtual PC? VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org) is a far better VM I have found and it is cross-platform and FREE as well. I used it under XP as well as with Ubuntu with very good speed when compared to something like Virtual PC.

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wow . lots of talks and rants here.

I will keep simple. Dont try to distro-hop from one suggestion to other.

Simply search for already documented installation-experience from some Toshiba user, Google for "linux distro name + laptop name with model number" you will get to read the good,bad,ugly on how it is when using that linux distro for your model.

one good place is http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html , search for your model here with distro.

All popular distros will have good support forums, so dont worry about that.

I have sent Smolt data from my HP-Laptop using fedora 8 , even got my webcam running :) http://www.smolts.org/client/show?uuid=pub...6a-ce8d2c34d721

almost 6000+ Toshibas also reported using linux >> http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html

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1. Your laptop is very nearly the same as mine and I have found had most of the distro's out on it all work fine on it, My laptop has an ATI intergrated graphics card which any kind of Linux likes. Simple thing to use is a program called "Envy" this program is very simple and made alot of headaches go away.

2. Previously asnwered with a Yes.

3. Sometimes you do but I think more programs are being made like "Envy" that are making it very "Double Clickable". If you were to get stuck on something then you can always post in here and I am sure there would be people online to answer your questions.

4. My current install on my laptop is "Mint" when I plug a USB drive into it I get an icon on my desktop of what I have plugged in. When I plug in an SD card I get the SD icon. You can go into those with a simple double click.

If you are this curious about it then there is no harm in trying it even if its for a week or so..just to get the feel for it.

You wont regret it and can always say you tried it.

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