mobilnic Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 and so, I'll debut my first discussion about something everyone can relate to as it's not over yet. yes, the blu-ray vs hd-dvd war. now, the common belief of late is that blu will reign (or is that ray-n ;) supreme, and this is not far from the truth although I have to add my 50 cents to this current international affair. to that, i will join the ranks of those who support blu, but! only becuase i also believe that this will be a temporary state as i'm sure 'solid-sate drives' (ssd's) will take over albeit for a short-lived period as well due to the demand for downloadability. if you have been around as long as i have, then you will remember when the first cd's became standard. ok, now consider how long it's taking for cd's to phase-out and there's already been cd-r, cd-rw, mini-disks, dvd, dvd-dual and now hd-dvd. but wait, theres more! order now and you'll get an all new format: blu-ray. to conclude, they may bombard us with as many formats as they want, but solid-state flash based storage and direct-downloads is the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrgh Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Downloads probably will be more popular in the future but I very much doubt physical media is going to go anywhere. I'm sure I'm not the only one who prefers to have his movies on something physical. Not to mention that ISPs would need a serious bandwidth boost if they plan to get full resolution HD movies to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckWEB Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Downloads probably will be more popular in the future but I very much doubt physical media is going to go anywhere. I'm sure I'm not the only one who prefers to have his movies on something physical. Not to mention that ISPs would need a serious bandwidth boost if they plan to get full resolution HD movies to work. +1 I'm a movie collector, I want my movie on a physical media, not downloaded on some HDD that can fail anytime. And when I go somewhere, I'm glad I can carry some movies with me. I don't want to lug around my media server to watch movies with friends. And most download/streeming services are only for renting movies. You don't get any extra and you're limited in HD stuff. Most download max at 720p with only Dolby Digital 5.1 sound. Most ISP are now working to limit bandwidth and when you need more, the price is high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted February 24, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2008 It's no longer Blu-Ray vs HD DVD. Blu-Ray has won, so shouldn't the title be more about Blu-Ray vs HD downloading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 24, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2008 Downloading is a viable alternative, but only for a limited sector of the consumer market. Most people aren't comfortable with HDD's and worrying about storage space and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobilnic Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 thanx TruckWEB, i know hd's fail which is y i meant solid state ones. imagine being able to carry around all your movies/music on a small memory-card sized drive. and thanx Mathachew, i would've called it that but my discussion included other formats/methods. as far as i know, the bandwidth issue will only be a problem 4 those trying to download less appropriate material such as porn, illegal file-sharing apps/sites, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted February 25, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 25, 2008 and thanx Mathachew, i would've called it that but my discussion included other formats/methods. Ok, but you've included a format that has been ceasing to exist. HD DVD is and was dead well before you posted this. I don't see broadband providers being capable of constant HD video downloading for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volatile Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Apple TV. Wireless N. Very Cool. It may take a [long] while, but I am with you on everything eventually going digital. We need to get grandma off of dialup first so we can all move past our Cable lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapixels Veteran Posted February 25, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 25, 2008 Count me in as another person who likes having a physical copy of my movies... If they come on solid state drives, which I think is probably the next step for physical media, that's fine with me. But I'm not downloading movies. Heck, if somebody even gets me an iTunes gift card I just buy games with it; I need my physical media for games, music, movies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckWEB Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Unless you guys have access to low-cost unlimited bandwidth high-speed internet connection with your super sweet ISP (if so, lucky you!), I don't see digital download taking off soon. Probably in 5-10 years when Hollywood strike a deal with ALL ISP around the world to fix a "price" for a specific services (iTune, Xbox Live, NetFlix, name it...). It will take that long to be able to download high quality HD stuff, in full 1080p with TrueHD sound, oh with all the extra too. I'm not talking about illegal download here. Just pure plain bandwidth that many ISP seems to prefer to limit these days. And yeah, no more dial-up, no more slow DSL, no more slow cable Internet. It will all have to be upgraded to much higher speed. FiOS will have to take over. Cable will have access to DOCSIS 3 with speed in the same range as Fiber optics (soon I hope). Solid state drive are NOT close to being cheap enough to be able to store movies on it and buy them like we do with DVD or Blu-Ray disc. That to will take many years until it happens. And again, you cannot just ignore the fact that MANY people will want to collect their movies on some physical media. Downloading will never be a good option. So for the time being, DVD & Blu-Ray is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i also believe that this will be a temporary state as i'm sure 'solid-sate drives' (ssd's) will take over albeit for a short-lived period as well due to the demand for downloadability. So rather than using a Blu-ray disc that costs mere dollars to make (and soon to be cents) studios are going to switch to SSDs that are vastly more expensive now and will remain so for the next several years? Consumers are going to reject discs with artwork on for tiny little cards? I'm sorry but that is simply ridiculous. I have heard many people suggesting that but we're still on 8GB memory sticks that are considerably more expensive that DVDs - have we seen studios move on to SSDs from DVDs? Nope. Also, why would the major studios support it and fragment the market even further? There is also the suggestion of online downloads but will people want to stream or download 50GB movies? Not only that but most people have got bandwidth and ISPs certainly CANNOT deal with that amount of usage. And if you're not talking about streaming 50GB of data then you're going to end up with an experience that is LESS than that or Blu-ray, which defeats the point. All I hear are poorly formulated ideas that are simply impractical, most stated in an attempt to downplay the victory made by Blu-ray recently. imagine being able to carry around all your movies/music on a small memory-card sized drive. Yup. So for 100 movies you'd need a 5TB SSD. Now let's see the flaws in that idea. Oh yeah... they don't exist and even if they did they would cost at least $3000. And don't forget TV series that often contain 6 discs - that means you'd only be able to fit 16 series on one. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? Did you actually even stop to think before you made that post? Sure it would be nice but it would be about 10yrs before that would be practical and then multi-terrabye holographic discs will exist that will cost cents to make. So we've ruled out SSDs and internet distribution, and when you consider that the studios would have to back any alternative it's pretty easy to see that Blu-ray is here to stay. I'm sure the internet will catch up at some point and that WILL eventually take over but we're talking a long way off and many consumers are still not going to have the connections or desire to own digital content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckWEB Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'm sure the internet will catch up at some point and that WILL eventually take over but we're talking a long way off and many consumers are still not going to have the connections or desire to own digital content. Think about the amount of rural places, remote places, farms, mountains, where no high-speed Internet connection is possible because NO ISP in their right mind want to put money to layout miles of cables for what, a handful of houses? You only get "better" speed if you use SAT Dish services at a high cost. What will those folks do? Stop watching movies? People talk like High-Speed Internet was a given, everywhere on the globe. I've got news for you, it's only true in big cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobilnic Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 u r all correct! & if ur all done stoning me, i'll just add that the time-frame for the latter part of my discussion is the very far future & was just considering how technology will continue to grow exponentially and change in a way so as to allow anyone and everyone to be able to embrace it, and isn't that what part of entertainment is all about. but i'm glad i have a more positive oultook than most of u ;) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckWEB Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 u r all correct! & if ur all done stoning me, i'll just add that the time-frame for the latter part of my discussion is the very far future & was just considering how technology will continue to grow exponentiallyand change in a way so as to allow anyone and everyone to be able to embrace it, and isn't that what part of entertainment is all about. but i'm glad i have a more positive oultook than most of u ;) . Even if you look at the very far future, you just need to stay realist. It's good to be positive, but chance are that even in the far future, some people will still be left out by technology just because of the place they live. You can't get high-speed Internet everywhere, especially at places where cable/fiber can't be deployed (economically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobilnic Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 Even if you look at the very far future, you just need to stay realist. It's good to be positive, but chance are that even in the far future, some people will still be left out by technology just because of the place they live. You can't get high-speed Internet everywhere, especially at places where cable/fiber can't be deployed (economically). very true, & i will try 2 stay realistic next time. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobilnic Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 well, it seems there r definitely mixed reactions to this topic but sadly it is a topic that is probably abit out-dated now and i feel i have more than enough responses and will use what i have learned to improve future topics speaking of which, perhaps i't time to finish what i started & start a fresh, new & more intellegent topic. and with that, i would like to officially close this topic and thank all for their views, it was more than i ever thought it would be. peace-out. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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