.kvn Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 The iPhone has created the most buzz, hype, trolling and diehard fanatics since its release last June. It has also been witness to some brilliant and sometimes diabolical coding to unlock it, jailbreak it and activate it. Yet a technology site such as this refuses to acknowledge this and discuss it in its forums. Can someone please explain to me why I need to go to another tech news site if I wish to discuss such issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forster Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 You really should just PM a mod if you have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanekiwi Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 well there has been jailbreak threads already, but i guess it's as simple as removing the simlock from a branded phone, you are not allowed to (officially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Discussion is allowed, but links to downloads which break the iPhone are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.kvn Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 A pm won't create a debate and this thread may only end up locked. I'm just curious as to why this site won't even mention the words of jailbreaking, unlocking and activating. It's an instant thread deletion or locked status. The site may have legal issues to follow but then again so do tuaw, engadget and others. So why should there be no discussion here? edit Thankyou Hurmoth :) I see your point here about not linking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forster Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Well, you've mentioned them now. To be honest, you're looking for a warn yourself if what you say is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugi Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 ^ +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P!P Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I hope I don't get warned for this but I believe Neowin sometimes has over-moderation. The fact I'm worried about being warned is the sad part. A few weeks ago in a Cloverfield movie thread, I had just mentioned watching the ending clip of the movie on my computer and was warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.kvn Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 My difficulty is trying to start a topic about current iPhone issues without mentioning certain applications. It's all very coded and nudge nudge wink wink. If I were to get a warning for mentioning terms then someone really has got nothing better to do. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanekiwi Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=...phone+jailbreak talking about it is somewhat ok, just stick to the rules as Hurmoth stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 well, with the new court rulling that should hopefully take affect soon, its going to make it where all cellphones will have to be usuable on any service.So unlocking a phone will not be anything illegal or wrong in a bit, meaning that the rules for the postings about them will have to change if im correct? if the government says that all phones should have open access to any service, then links and topics about unlocking them shouldnt be frowned upon. but not until the rulling is passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.kvn Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 :blink: Guys. I stand corrected. A thousand apologies for my topic outburst! Nice link insanekiwi ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 A few weeks ago in a Cloverfield movie thread, I had just mentioned watching the ending clip of the movie on my computer and was warned.Without getting to far off topic, that is clearly against our rules though. We don't want to put ourselves in a position where we could be in legal trouble. It might seem like we're going a little overboard sometimes, but considering that the MPAA and the RIAA have no problem suing dead people, it is safe to say that they'd have no problem suing us and even if we knew we could win, there's still legal fees to have to contend with and the possibility of our ISP shutting us down for a period of time (which I believe has happened before when Neowin was just a baby).And it isn't out of the question that if we allow download links here, Apple could sue us. No one is saying that they will, but why take a chance, right? Which is why discussion about it is great, but linking to jailbreak software isn't :) well, with the new court rulling that should hopefully take affect soon, its going to make it where all cellphones will have to be usuable on any service.So unlocking a phone will not be anything illegal or wrong in a bit, meaning that the rules for the postings about them will have to change if im correct? if the government says that all phones should have open access to any service, then links and topics about unlocking them shouldnt be frowned upon. but not until the rulling is passed. What court ruling would that be? Haven't heard anything about it, so I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannes Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I haven't heard anything about the court ruling either. Can you explain Shakey? This is really important for me as I live in a country where the iPhone is not being sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null_ Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I haven't heard anything about the court ruling either. Can you explain Shakey? This is really important for me as I live in a country where the iPhone is not being sold. To sum it up, to the best of my knowledge, it basically says that companies wouldn't be able to sell phones that are locked into a specific carrier, so Apple would have to sell the iPhone unlocked and then you'd choose whatever provider you want to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannes Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Ah! How it should've been from the start. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel F. Administrators Posted February 29, 2008 Administrators Share Posted February 29, 2008 yeah while the court & Apple's terms say its illegal our hands are tied. If the legal situation was to change we would look to modify our rules to reflect that :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacidz Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 In Australia, dunno if posted yet, the iphone will be deemed illegal by Apple to select only one provider of service. So might be ok here in Australia and other countries follow suit. Anyway, story below http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/local-l...3788250342.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Its not a court ruling. It is laws that they are trying to pass. In the US the law will never pass. The companies selling the phones, as well as the wireless providers, will just push enough money into congress through lobbyists so the law is defeated. And also, there are plenty of other devices that are locked into certain providers to make this situation any different from hundreds of others. Think cable boxes, for one. As far as AU goes, I don't know how good the likelyhood of it passing there is, but I do know that Apple is more likely to stop selling the iphone there AT ALL rather than sell an unlocked version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 And it isn't out of the question that if we allow download links here, Apple could sue us. Unlocking cellphones/iPhones it's not illegal here. Gotta suck to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel F. Administrators Posted February 29, 2008 Administrators Share Posted February 29, 2008 There is no option to block/allow content based on country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 There is no option to block/allow content based on country... I know... My only intention was to point out the suckery of having such stupid restrictions there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 29, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 29, 2008 Indeed. A high degree of suckery. :p Even my installing of deCSS in Linux to view DVDs is questionable, legally. If you go by the MPAA claims (although they lost every case they brought up against DVD Jon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Even my installing of deCSS in Linux to view DVDs is questionable, legally. Not here. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMonkey Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 And also, there are plenty of other devices that are locked into certain providers to make this situation any different from hundreds of others. Think cable boxes, for one. In New Zealand the Government is looking into whether it should mandate that you can receive any subscribers programming on any subscribers STB (Either Cable or Satellite) - with the right smartcard, of course. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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