Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 im in the process of getting a new pc, and was wondering... if i installed linux (probably ubuntu) then installed vista as a virtual machine, which would be running on one of the desktops.. how well would it run compared to running it natively on the same hardware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foub Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) im in the process of getting a new pc, and was wondering...if i installed linux (probably ubuntu) then installed vista as a virtual machine, which would be running on one of the desktops.. how well would it run compared to running it natively on the same hardware? Linux would be the "Real" one on your desktop. When you run a virtual program, like VMWare, it sets up a virtual desktop separate from the rest of your system as if it was on a different computer. It even emulates a different video card, and network card, than what you actually have as well and usually DirectX doesn't work under a copy of Windows installed like this so you maybe out of luck if you want to play some of the more recent games. Your best bet would be to dual boot both and that way you don't have to worry, but make sure that Windows is installed first on the first partition. With dual booting you choose when you start your system what OS you want to use and can only use the other when you shut down one and choose the other. This way its no different than if you only had that one running "natively" and you get full usage. Edited March 7, 2008 by Foub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jingarelho Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 i've one VW with Vista running on top of a XP SP2 on a old notebook and runs well considering the hardware. The notebook is a Centrino Bannias 1.4Ghz with 1Gb Ram and a Intel 855GB video card. Can?t run aero but that does not bother me. VM is with 512Mb Ram dedicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 the setup im thinking of would have linux at 512mb, and vista with 3.5Gb. unless i can get the apps i want running in wine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorV Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Mmm if you are going to give Vista more RAM and more power, then why bother run it in a VM?, Install it in your HD and then install Ubuntu in a VM if you want to try it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 Mmm if you are going to give Vista more RAM and more power, then why bother run it in a VM?, Install it in your HD and then install Ubuntu in a VM if you want to try it... because ubuntu dosnt need much resources to run, and i would like run them both at the same time if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foub Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 because ubuntu dosnt need much resources to run, and i would like run them both at the same time if possible. Vista is what requires the most so maybe he's right and you should run Ubuntu in VM instead. You can get far more out of Ubuntu under VM than you would ever be able to out of Vista in the same situation. Vista is just too much of a resource hog in comparison to get the same features as you would in Ubuntu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 but ubuntu is free...no activation or anything, and a lot less error prone...then use vista or xp on one of the desktops, so i can just drag over to vista/xp when i need it, and it would be easier to manage as a virtual machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Charming Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Ubuntu being free is a reason to use it VM not the other way around. Any issues with activation or whatever are actually quite a hassle with VMs, where reloading the VM is quite regular. You really would be better off using Vista as the host OS and running Ubuntu in a VM. I do it here, I have lots of VMs running under Vista as a host OS. None of them are Ubuntu, but theres a couple of Linux OSs, and they run great. I really doubt if I did it the other way around the performance would be as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 but having a windows OS as host kinda defeats the purpose of using linux dosnt it?... i want to be using ubuntu, and only use windows when i need it... and with ubuntu, i can run vista or xp on one of the four desktops, in full screen. cant do that with vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G. Veteran Posted March 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 7, 2008 but having a windows OS as host kinda defeats the purpose of using linux dosnt it?... i want to be using ubuntu, and only use windows when i need it...and with ubuntu, i can run vista or xp on one of the four desktops, in full screen. cant do that with vista. In your situation you're best off dual booting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 In your situation you're best off dual booting. or single booting :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foub Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 but ubuntu is free...no activation or anything, and a lot less error prone...then use vista or xp on one of the desktops, so i can just drag over to vista/xp when i need it, and it would be easier to manage as a virtual machine. Then you really should choose one or the other. I went from Vista back to XP, than dual booting XP and Ubuntu, and now finally to Ubuntu only and I'm loving it. I can even play many of my favourite Windows games under WINE. The only thing that Windows really has over Linux are games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Share Posted March 8, 2008 the problems i had with ubuntu were that i couldnt get the sound working, and i couldnt play my games, like tf2. are there good video editing apps for linux? i really dont want to have to keep restarting my pc between messaging/forums to load up windows and do gaming/video editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foub Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 the problems i had with ubuntu were that i couldnt get the sound working, and i couldnt play my games, like tf2.are there good video editing apps for linux? i really dont want to have to keep restarting my pc between messaging/forums to load up windows and do gaming/video editing. Did you choose Alsa as you sound driver? As for video editing software I wouldn't know if they are good or not, but there are some included with it in either Synaptic or the Add/Remove section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted March 8, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 8, 2008 ...are there good video editing apps for linux? ... Cinelerra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 the setup im thinking of would have linux at 512mb, and vista with 3.5Gb.unless i can get the apps i want running in wine... with 1gb youll be fine for vista, no point in giving vista 3.5GB of ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zirus Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Performance is the only reason you should not run Vista in a vm. Activation should not be an issue as you can make a snapshot of the vm after activating and if anything happens revert to the snap. You can also make a clone and go back to that if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farchord Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Yeah, running Vista in a VM is kinda painful because well, Vista is bloated. The best way would be to run XP in a VM, which is much lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 ok, so would i be able to run vmware+xp on another desktop in ubuntu smoothly? and would i be able to xp in vmware to play TF2 and all that, so i dont have to go through wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 ok, so would i be able to run vmware+xp on another desktop in ubuntu smoothly? and would i be able to xp in vmware to play TF2 and all that, so i dont have to go through wine? Unsure if VMWare has proper 3D Acceleration for Windows XP inside a Linux host. Your best bet, would be infact to use Wine and configure that, or even Cedega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 hmmm... looks like VMware fusion supports 3d acceleration now, but none of the other yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrA Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 hmmm...looks like VMware fusion supports 3d acceleration now, but none of the other yet. Both VMware Workstation 5.5 and 6 support 3D acceleration. They don't have a GUI option to enable it like Fusion, but it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share Posted March 15, 2008 Both VMware Workstation 5.5 and 6 support 3D acceleration. They don't have a GUI option to enable it like Fusion, but it's there. sweet! so that means i could run xp within ubuntu, and play tf2? or other things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share Posted March 15, 2008 this here is pretty much exactly what i was looking for. http://youtube.com/watch?v=-P1s3aOnDhc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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