Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ok, see this list? Linux Support (multiple distros),Great Media server, Customizable hard drive, Wifi built in, Remote play, Free online, Home, KB/Mouse Support, Blu Ray movies, BC depending on model, Marketplace equivalent eventually, Custom themeing for free, See this? Cut out EVERYTHING except this: Linux Support (multiple distros) Now THIS is what I wanted this thread to concentrate on. Ignore everything else the PS3 can do, it's the linux aspect I'm interested in. When I install linux on a PS3, just what exactly can I use it for that's useful in the real world? So far we've got Webserver. Great. Now what else? SVN? FTP? DNS for my home network? Surely it has a lot of possible applications. Sure I could use a normal PC to do the same things, but that's not the point. I'm not going to buy a PC JUST for this, nor am I going to buy a PS3 JUST for a few games, but both? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If you have a Mac, there's an application called MediaLink that will allow you to stream anything from you Mac to your PS3. Even supports HD streaming. Also interfaces with iTunes and iPhoto if you want. I use that mostly on my PS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So you're not interested in many PS3 exclusives, you already have an xbox and no PS2... Why bother then?... save your money and just buy some games. Running a PS3 as a webserver is nothing but a hack, the drive is too slow, there's not much RAM and the PS3 itself consumes a lot of energy. You could buy a computer with $400 that does that much better. Don't be a hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ok, see this list?See this? Cut out EVERYTHING except this: Now THIS is what I wanted this thread to concentrate on. Ignore everything else the PS3 can do, it's the linux aspect I'm interested in. When I install linux on a PS3, just what exactly can I use it for that's useful in the real world? So far we've got Webserver. Great. Now what else? SVN? FTP? DNS for my home network? Surely it has a lot of possible applications. Sure I could use a normal PC to do the same things, but that's not the point. I'm not going to buy a PC JUST for this, nor am I going to buy a PS3 JUST for a few games, but both? Maybe. Ok fair enough, should of just made a thread bout PS3 linux ;) Sorry but as I said you might need to do a bit of exploring yourself. I don't know much, and apart from 1 or 2 people on here, im not really aware of any NW users who use Linux on their PS3 - I might be wrong? Best of luck finding out what you want to - As I said I believe Linux has full access to Cell, just not RSX. Therefore I believe you should be able to do eveything or mostly everything you can normally do in Linux :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 If you have a Mac, there's an application called MediaLink that will allow you to stream anything from you Mac to your PS3. Even supports HD streaming. Also interfaces with iTunes and iPhoto if you want. I use that mostly on my PS3. You don't need a mac for that, you can do that on a Windows PC as well with WMP, tversity and a handful of other programs. You can probably do it with linux, too. But as I said, I'm not really interested in that stuff since I have a 360 that can do the same stuff and I don't even use that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ok, see this list?See this? Cut out EVERYTHING except this: Now THIS is what I wanted this thread to concentrate on. Ignore everything else the PS3 can do, it's the linux aspect I'm interested in. When I install linux on a PS3, just what exactly can I use it for that's useful in the real world? So far we've got Webserver. Great. Now what else? SVN? FTP? DNS for my home network? Surely it has a lot of possible applications. Sure I could use a normal PC to do the same things, but that's not the point. I'm not going to buy a PC JUST for this, nor am I going to buy a PS3 JUST for a few games, but both? Maybe. your basically asking what linux can do... think of the stuff you do on your pc: Web browsing word processing (PS3 has printer support) huge video and audio codec support *some* linux based games Cell software development if your into that should be able to set up ftp server apps etc. the only software restriction within linux is the graphics processor access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well yeah, I suppose I am, but I'm specifically asking what the PS3's linux is good for. Since it can't do graphics very well, that rules out using it directly as a desktop system anyway. A lot of people seem to be saying it's not that fast anyway, is this true? (Can someone with experience actually say if it is or not?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well yeah, I suppose I am, but I'm specifically asking what the PS3's linux is good for. Since it can't do graphics very well, that rules out using it directly as a desktop system anyway. A lot of people seem to be saying it's not that fast anyway, is this true? (Can someone with experience actually say if it is or not?). Try checking these, a bit outdated and newer distros are probably available... http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/11/playstation-3-performance/ http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/05/pla...mance-may-2007/ over the next few months I’m hoping to add Cell-specific optimizations to Geekbench that will exploit all the potential the Cell processor has to offer. So yea, would be better to find newer benchmarks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viriix Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 i dont owe any other console by a ps2 but a classmate of mine who has one says its not graphically laggy when playing fps online with the ps3. hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 a bit off topic, has anyone got mkv files to play with ps3 linux yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardmanflex Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Don't be a hater Come on SVFUSiON he is right...the linux capability of the PS3 is really a hack...ur limited to what u can do with it...because sony as restrict access to the GPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unto Darkness Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Plus, you get the best Blu Ray player in the market to date. Sony's PS3 sales have gone up since HD DVD threw in the towel, just when they were being flogged by the Wii and the 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 a bit off topic, has anyone got mkv files to play with ps3 linux yet? Bit pointless when you can play them right from the XMB - Check my HD guide ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Thanks for all the posts so far, guys, but please please please stop talking about how great a media player it is, or blu-ray or anything like that, I already know about all of that, it's purely the linux aspect of it I'm interested in (with regards to this thread). And it's a shame it's been crippled like that, I knew about the lack of RSX but I didn't realise just how badly that affected it's usability. Such a shame, it would have been enough to sway me into getting one =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 Thanks for all the posts so far, guys, but please please please stop talking about how great a media player it is, or blu-ray or anything like that, I already know about all of that, it's purely the linux aspect of it I'm interested in.And it's a shame it's been crippled like that, I knew about the lack of RSX but I didn't realise just how badly that affected it's usability. Such a shame, it would have been enough to sway me into getting one =\ You can't expect them to give full RSX support - That would lead to the console playing PC games and other things. Potential legal troubles for Sony? The mere fact they opened up enough to give us Linux should be a (Y) They have to protect the console a bit ;) Sorry it's not enough for you, if you want more than what the PS3 can offer for Linux best to just get a cheap PC setup. Linux must really of been a do it or don't do it deal for you? I wouldn't say usability is badly affected at all, unless you were looking to run 3D applications/games on it. KB/Mouse support and everything else means many folk are running their PS3 as a linux box as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 oh, it can also be used in a cluster if that takes your fancy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeta_immersion Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 not sure about the 360 but with the ps3 you can stream movies remotely in a network and watch them on your tv (in hd assuming you have the movie in HD) .... what else ... well ... linux installed could and with a bit of help work as a server (then again this is a multimedia console so not sure if the price justifies the means) .... then there is such thing as ... let me think .... actually not much ... mainly you can play movies and games .... the scene at the moment is still working on a hack (i am going neutral on this since it is illegal) therefore once someone finds something you are stuck with games/movies and a lil homebrew scene (linux) and the stream of movies/pics to be watched on tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 DVD scaling on the PS3 is top notch as well, haven't compared them both, but even reviews online say the PS3 is good at it.I don't know about Linux, but many places ive read tidbits everyone says the PS3 is the closet you'll get to a supercomputer for the pricing with calculation work - NOT graphics, as I said access to RSX is limited, but the linux distros that support the PS3 have access to the cell. The airforce must have an order in for 300 PS3s for some reason? :laugh: The only comparison I've made was with Seinfeld DVD's. The PS3 looks blocky even when upscaling. Maybe newer DVD's look better, don't really know... Yes the distros have access to CELL, but that's it. You can write some app that uses the SPU's but the kernel still only uses the PPC core, therefore the OS itself is just as fast as on my Mac. Don't be a hater What the hell are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 You can't expect them to give full RSX support - That would lead to the console playing PC games and other things. Potential legal troubles for Sony?The mere fact they opened up enough to give us Linux should be a (Y) They have to protect the console a bit ;) Sorry it's not enough for you, if you want more than what the PS3 can offer for Linux best to just get a cheap PC setup. Linux must really of been a do it or don't do it deal for you? I wouldn't say usability is badly affected at all, unless you were looking to run 3D applications/games on it. KB/Mouse support and everything else means many folk are running their PS3 as a linux box as well. The legal aspect has little to do with it (you can already play PC games on the device, just not many, plus I really don't think there's anything illegal about it anyway, it's not like you have to pay MS a license to create apps for their OS), it's probably more a case of Sony locking the RSX out in case people start developing games on it for free without paying them any kind of fees. Even so, it's a disappointment for people like me. At the PS3's current price point, the usability of Linix is a big thing for me. If it was maybe ?100 or ?150 cheaper, then it wouldn't matter, but right now I really can't justify the price of the console, which is why I'm asking people what it's linux capabilities are like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 The legal aspect has little to do with it (you can already play PC games on the device, just not many, plus I really don't think there's anything illegal about it anyway, it's not like you have to pay MS a license to create apps for their OS), it's probably more a case of Sony locking the RSX out in case people start developing games on it for free without paying them any kind of fees.Even so, it's a disappointment for people like me. At the PS3's current price point, the usability of Linix is a big thing for me. If it was maybe ?100 or ?150 cheaper, then it wouldn't matter, but right now I really can't justify the price of the console, which is why I'm asking people what it's linux capabilities are like. Fair enough, but the PS3 isn't meant to be a replacement for a good ol Linux box. Running Linux on a PS3 isn't the consoles main goal, it's playing games/media/Home and everything else. Linux is a nice afterthought for those that want to use it - It's not useless. I'm guessing it's pretty powerful in a farm, hence places like unversities, the air force and even game developers like the guys being Warhawk using a whole load of PS3s instead of buying PCs. ?100/150 cheape:/ :/ - Maybe if it was just a linux box, but with everything else it does keep dreami:p :p or just wait a few years. You won't see that kind of money knocked off this year after Blu Ray winning - Maybe ?50, or up to ?100, but no way over it IMO. If you're putting it's Linux capabilities over gaming/multimedia and any other main feature listed in this topic I'd say it's not a console for you. Just get a Linux box or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted March 11, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 11, 2008 Kan U Ubuntu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 Kan U Ubuntu? If you mean install Ubuntu, yes :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Fair enough, but the PS3 isn't meant to be a replacement for a good ol Linux box.Running Linux on a PS3 isn't the consoles main goal, it's playing games/media/Home and everything else. Linux is a nice afterthought for those that want to use it - It's not useless. I'm guessing it's pretty powerful in a farm, hence places like unversities, the air force and even game developers like the guys being Warhawk using a whole load of PS3s instead of buying PCs. ?100/150 cheaper?:// - Maybe if it was just a linux box, but with everything else it does keep dreaming:pp or just wait a few years. You won't see that kind of money knocked off this year after Blu Ray winning - Maybe ?50, or up to ?100, but no way over it IMO. If you're putting it's Linux capabilities over gaming/multimedia and any other main feature listed in this topic I'd say it's not a console for you. Just get a Linux box or something. I'm not putting Linux OVER those features and I know it's something the console wasn't necessarily designed to do (although I could argue that it sure as hell wasn't designed to play games as well =P), it's just that since I have a 360, most of the PS3's abilities don't matter to me. I'd like to play those few exclusive games I'm interested in, but there's no sense in me forking out for a PS3 JUST for those games, which is why I'm interested in the other things it can do, because I'd definitely make use of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovedude Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Exactly. Importing isn't really a problem, I'm fortunate enough to know people the world over that could buy it and ship it to me, assuming I don't want to use a site like play-asia. you cant use that site for sony equipment anyway... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm not putting Linux OVER those features and I know it's something the console wasn't necessarily designed to do (although I could argue that it sure as hell wasn't designed to play games as well =P), it's just that since I have a 360, most of the PS3's abilities don't matter to me. I'd like to play those few exclusive games I'm interested in, but there's no sense in me forking out for a PS3 JUST for those games, which is why I'm interested in the other things it can do, because I'd definitely make use of them. We'll see by the end of this year :p (I know you're just trying to "crack a lol") it's just that since I have a 360, most of the PS3's abilities don't matter to me That's the only thing that confuses me. I have both consoles and both of them do, do things better than the other. Just because you can do "a" on the 360, doesn't mean you wont want to do/try "a" on the PS3 as well. For example being a media server, IMO the PS3 is better at it for various reasons - You said that doesn't matter to you, fine, but im just pointing out how both can do it, but you may like one over the other. there's no sense in me forking out for a PS3 JUST for those games, which is why I'm interested in the other things it can do, because I'd definitely make use of them Which is what most of us tried to point out, but you made it clear only linux seemed to matter :p You said "sell the PS3 to me", but really what you wanted was "Sell PS3 linux" to me ;) And anyway, even with consoles being great at doing lots of things nowadays (media/playing blu ray/DLC/social networking - Home), most folk still buy them for the games. Well I say most as it's become appartent the PS3 has enjoyed a decent chunk of success through people buying for Blu Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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