Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 I said "sell the ps3 to me", but I thought I made it clear in my opening post that I was concerned mainly with the Linux abilities of it. And the fact the the PS3 can do "a" better than the 360 really doesn't matter to me. At all. I've never been using something both consoles can do and thought to myself "you know, the 360 is great and all, but it could be just a little bit better..." and even if it did factor into it, the slight differences definitely don't warrant the price tag. I have thought about this, weighed the pros and cons of the purchase and it just falls short, the only thing I didn't consider much was the Linux part of it because I know almost nothing about it. You can do a lot with Linux, it has a huge following and for good reasons, I thought to myself "surely there must be a lot to it", plus I've been thinking of building a home server for myself anyway, so if I could hit two birds with one stone, bonus, right? Apparently not, nobody here seems to think it's worth installing Linux on it at all, which knocks it back just enough for me to not warrant purchasing it. It's looking like I'll be waiting until someone cracks the RSX on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 I said "sell the ps3 to me", but I thought I made it clear in my opening post that I was concerned mainly with the Linux abilities of it.And the fact the the PS3 can do "a" better than the 360 really doesn't matter to me. At all. I've never been using something both consoles can do and thought to myself "you know, the 360 is great and all, but it could be just a little bit better..." and even if it did factor into it, the slight differences definitely don't warrant the price tag. I have thought about this, weighed the pros and cons of the purchase and it just falls short, the only thing I didn't consider much was the Linux part of it because I know almost nothing about it. You can do a lot with Linux, it has a huge following and for good reasons, I thought to myself "surely there must be a lot to it", plus I've been thinking of building a home server for myself anyway, so if I could hit two birds with one stone, bonus, right? Apparently not, nobody here seems to think it's worth installing Linux on it at all, which knocks it back just enough for me to not warrant purchasing it. It's looking like I'll be waiting until someone cracks the RSX on it. Haven't you thought that most folk here maybe just don't have a use for Linux? Installing it for the sake of it really won't be high on anyones lists - As it isn't as pickup and play easy to use as Windows. To go out of your way to install and setup Linux on your PS3 must mean you are either a) Familiar with Linux and "want to give it a go" or b) Have some genuine uses in mind for your PS3 and Linux That's why I said go read some dedicated forums. There will be lots of people happily using and taking advantage of Linux on the PS3 - Just because there isn't a massive uprising of those people on NW doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile. I mean this is neoWIN - It is a windows community primarily, couple that with a low PS3 install base and it's no suprise most of us who own PS3's may be more akin to Windows than Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiracyX Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Kushan, if you only want the PS3 for Linux to run a webserver i seriously suggest just using a PC (with any Linux distro) as it will be more functional. Get the PS3 if you want to play MKV, Blu-ray or any exclusive games coming its way, but just for Linux? Total waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Haven't you thought that most folk here maybe just don't have a use for Linux? I know that and I'm really wondering why they're commenting here, when I am specifically asking about Linux. Even if I only got 1 or 2 replies from people who genuinely know what they're talking about, I'd be happy. Kushan, if you only want the PS3 for Linux to run a webserver i seriously suggest just using a PC (with any Linux distro) as it will be more functional.Get the PS3 if you want to play MKV, Blu-ray or any exclusive games coming its way, but just for Linux? Total waste of money. I have already said that I would use the PS3 for MORE than JUST linux, obviously I'd use it to play games and such as well, but right now what I'm saying is there's not enough great games on the PS3 for me to be able to justify the price for it, so I'm looking into it's OTHER uses and abilities as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 I know that and I'm really wondering why they're commenting here, when I am specifically asking about Linux. Even if I only got 1 or 2 replies from people who genuinely know what they're talking about, I'd be happy. I guess folk were just trying to help you out. I doubt theres any malice involved in trying to come up with some other things/features you may be interested in. Sadly not many folk as I said have used Linux on here, you'll have to go onto another forum, or just do some reading. Get the PS3 if you want to play MKV, Blu-ray or any exclusive games coming its way, but just for Linux? Total waste of money. QFT. Unless you have a specific reason you want to run Linux on a PS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 I know they're just trying to help, but I've had to state 5 times now that I'm specifically talking about Linux and still people keep talking about Blu-ray this and MKV that >_< If a mod reads this, could you just close the topic, please? Nobody seems to understand what I'm asking or even why I'm asking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 It can do as much as linux on a normal PC can, except for graphical things. All you need is a PPC build of a distro (IE, not PS3 specific), so you can run Fedora, Ubuntu etc.. To be honest, i've got Linux on my PS3 and the only thing I use it for is ripping the odd bluray to mkv, I prefer using my games console for gaming/media :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiracyX Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 We are trying to help, we are just stating that Linux is pointless on PS3. While its a nice extra feature from the PS3 it doesn't really do it that well (because of the limitations of control there is) For the function you want it for i still suggest getting a PC setup with Linux a linux distro of your choice as thats a much better solution. I want a PS3 for the three reasons i listed in my last post and i still don't have one. The linux feature isn't wide spread since alot of people don't care about it and its more or less a niche function more than anything. Of course once hackers open up the Cell/PSX for Linux then better things will be done etc, but from what i have seen, it's not that good. We are helping you kushan, getting a PS3 just for running Linux for a webserver is wasting your money. If you wanted all the other features included aswell then it's not at all. That's all we are saying. You probably won't be wasting your money though i'm sure, as i bet you will buy some games, and use the blu-ray function sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted March 11, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 11, 2008 I know they're just trying to help, but I've had to state 5 times now that I'm specifically talking about Linux and still people keep talking about Blu-ray this and MKV that >_<If a mod reads this, could you just close the topic, please? Nobody seems to understand what I'm asking or even why I'm asking it. Maybe it would help if you actually gave your thread a title that indicated this. Title edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 I know, but what I'M trying to say is that I've added up all the pros and cons of the PS3 right now and I'm only about 70% there at best. Likewise, as much as I'd lilke a linux home server, I'm only about 30-40% interested in one due to the price I'd have to pay for a reasonable machine (admittedly this is a lot less than a PS3, but it's usefulness is also a lot less). But if you combine the two together, then you'll see why the idea has interested me, I could get both in one go and the price would just about be right. But it's looking to not be that simple, since the PS3's linux isn't all that great, nor is it all that fast. I was hoping someone would come on and say something like "oh there's distribution XXX which is nice and speedy and makes a great webserver/ftp/svn/etc.", but apparently the linux devs haven't quite caught up with the CELL just yet. That's the vibe I've got so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzyyfool Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I know, but what I'M trying to say is that I've added up all the pros and cons of the PS3 right now and I'm only about 70% there at best.Likewise, as much as I'd lilke a linux home server, I'm only about 30-40% interested in one due to the price I'd have to pay for a reasonable machine (admittedly this is a lot less than a PS3, but it's usefulness is also a lot less). But if you combine the two together, then you'll see why the idea has interested me, I could get both in one go and the price would just about be right. But it's looking to not be that simple, since the PS3's linux isn't all that great, nor is it all that fast. I was hoping someone would come on and say something like "oh there's distribution XXX which is nice and speedy and makes a great webserver/ftp/svn/etc.", but apparently the linux devs haven't quite caught up with the CELL just yet. That's the vibe I've got so far. You've said your not interested in anything the PS3 has to offer apart from Linux compatibility. So what is this bit about combining a home server with a PS3? If you don't intend to use the PS3 for anything other than a Linux Home Server box there is no point in buying one. It's a waste of a great media machine IMHO. Here's the deal. Stick with your 360 for media and buy/build a cheap Linux box for your server. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 You've said your not interested in anything the PS3 has to offer apart from Linux compatibility. So what is this bit about combining a home server with a PS3? If you don't intend to use the PS3 for anything other than a Linux Home Server box there is no point in buying one. It's a waste of a great media machine IMHO.Here's the deal. Stick with your 360 for media and buy/build a cheap Linux box for your server. Job done. OMG. Where have I said I wasn't interested in anything the PS3 can do apart from linux? Please please please, read what I am saying here, I really don't want to repeat myself AGAIN >_< But here I go - * I am interested in a few games on the PS3 * I am interested in a bit of PS2 backwards compatibility * However, neither of those points justify the near ?300 price tag of the machine (It would be different if I didn't have a 360, but since I do then multi-platform titles don't really come into it). Do you get me now? There are a few things I AM interested in for the PS3, but they're not enough to warrent the price tag and ALL I AM ASKING HERE is what can Linux do that might tip the scale in Sony's favour, got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzyyfool Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Linux on the PS3 can't do any more than Linux can on a PC. Infact, bit less on the PS3 as you don't have access to the graphics chip (at present). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightz Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Do you get me now? There are a few things I AM interested in for the PS3, but they're not enough to warrent the price tag and ALL I AM ASKING HERE is what can Linux do that might tip the scale in Sony's favour, got it? not right now. so don't buy a ps3 yet. simple enough answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 I suppose it's about the best answer I've got so far, which is a real, real shame, you'd have thought that they'd have made some really nice apps by now =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Let's just focus on Linux... The PS3 as a computer running it: CPU: PPC 3.2GHz RAM: 256MB HD: 40GB 2.5" 5400RPM (upgrade possible) GPU: No 3d Acceleration - Software Only (for now) Network: 1x Gigabit Ethernet / Wifi Ports: 4x USB 2.0 / Bluetooth -- Basically a PS3 is like a computer with these specs running Linux. The possibilities? Endless. The performance? Not so good for normal use (workstation, server), only good for computational projects using the SPU's. I hope this gives the answer to your question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzyyfool Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yellow Dog has a distro optimised for the PS3. But I doubt this offers anything more than the PC distro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+StevoFC MVC Posted March 11, 2008 MVC Share Posted March 11, 2008 The whole point of a home server is to have it running all the time. If you get a ps3 and set it up as a server, any time you would want to play games you would have to shut the server down. That practically defeats the whole purpose of having a server like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huleboeren Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yeah it will ;)Only one of the consoles that can do HD playback (mkvs) without transcoding and WITH 5.1 DTS. 360 can only do video or sound, not both. It also has subtitle support now. You sure it supports DTS from mkv files? :o Once the PS3 fan turns on there's really no difference. At least with mine. I've always watched DVD's on the xbox instead of the PS3. Same noise but smoother image.I guess not, the whole thing is virtualized. Then there's just one PPC CPU on the PS3, that's why it's not that fast, add the small amount of RAM and no direct access to the GPU... no Linux supercomputer at all. Which X360 drive you got? I havent heard the BenQ drive but toshiba and samsung drives are definitely louder than the ps3 no matter what the ps3 is doing :p (I have owned both drives) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 You sure it supports DTS from mkv files? :oWhich X360 drive you got? I havent heard the BenQ drive but toshiba and samsung drives are definitely louder than the ps3 no matter what the ps3 is doing :p (I have owned both drives) We had a gaming weekend over at a friends last weekend. we had 3 tv's, 2 x360's (original pro and elite) and my PS3. the sound of either 360 on easily drowned out the sound of my 60gb ps3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 The whole point of a home server is to have it running all the time. If you get a ps3 and set it up as a server, any time you would want to play games you would have to shut the server down. That practically defeats the whole purpose of having a server like that. That's not a problem, since There's only a handful of games that I know of that I'd be interested in playing on the PS3 (and each come out several months apart). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yellow Dog is based on Fedora Core 5, imo Fedora 8 or Ubuntu would be a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted March 11, 2008 You sure it supports DTS from mkv files? :oWhich X360 drive you got? I havent heard the BenQ drive but toshiba and samsung drives are definitely louder than the ps3 no matter what the ps3 is doing :p (I have owned both drives) Auch I just meant 5.1. I get those two mixed up. It does Dolby Digital AC3 5.1. Converts DTS to that if your mkv has DTS. I have a BenQ and it's noisier, but I don't think anyone alive is going to claim their 360 is quieter than their PS3 unless its modded from default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Which X360 drive you got? I havent heard the BenQ drive but toshiba and samsung drives are definitely louder than the ps3 no matter what the ps3 is doing :p(I have owned both drives) I have the noisier one, and it's reallly loud... when playing games. But I was talking about playing DVD's or just the dash, it's as noisy as the PS3 when the fan is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted March 11, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 11, 2008 If you mean install Ubuntu, yes :p Schhwweeet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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