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As I said above, a $50 controller or a $400 console. When you're planking out $400, getting a $50 DS3 for "free" doesn't really fit.

What did you expect them to do? Bundling the new controller with PS3's from here on in is like OBVIOUS practice number 1.

I guess MS should have replaced every 360 without HDMI, no? Or are you going to argue HDMI isn't really needed? Well rumble isn't really needed either. No game will function incorrectly, just like no 360 game requires HDMI.

I already answered the question. You are not screwed over from Microsoft. You are compensated and in many cases people got new consoles for free. Sony's approach is pure ripoff.

HDMI vs controller? Let me think about this one. HDMI doesn't GIVE ME any features man. How can you compare the two? HDMI is just convenience so I use one cable instead of 2 for video and sound. Component + Optical give me the same thing. There's no difference. I use component + optical and the games feel and look absolutely the same as someone using the HDMI console.

It's fantastic that people don't see the problem of what these guys are really doing. PS3 has been screw over after screw over and everyone is fine with that LOL.. I don't get it. Second year into consoles life and we are talking about early adopters. Are you serious?

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I think having to pay for LIVE is anti-consumer when I can play online on a PC, Wii, or PS3 for free.

Pick your battles, eh?

Keep that for here: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=629191

We really don't want this topic straying far from DS3 or some people will get "too excited".... :/

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If you are complaining about a consumer electronic coming with more features for the same/less price than it did in its initial release then you have been living under a rock.

Every company does it.

Lets see...

PSP - PSP Slim -> Same price -> Smaller/more memory/TV Out, etc

DS Phat - DS Lite -> Same price -> Smaller/Brighter Screen, etc

iPod Gen 4 - iPod Gen 5 -> Same price -> Video playback/smaller, etc

PS2 - PS2 GT3 combo -> Same price -> Bundled with GT3, etc

etc, etc, etc

Nothing free, if you buy a consumer electronic on the day of its release you are paying for the premium of enjoying it from day 1, thats how i see it. It always sucks that things come down in price or come bundled with more/better stuff but if you think about it, you have been enjoying it from the day 1.

I do agree that Sony should have included the rumble control from day 1 but they had legal problems that needed to be solved first.

If i had the option to play a PS3 without rumble now, or one with rumble in 1 year, i would no doubt choose option number 1

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I think having to pay for LIVE is anti-consumer when I can play online on a PC, Wii, or PS3 for free.

Pick your battles, eh?

Paying for live is totally ok. They offer huge service that costs money. It also limits the amount of immature kids just signing up. Do you think it's cheap to have the whole experience as Live free? Please.

Talk to me about this when Sony finally finished Home and creates the system that's worth something and they start charging for it. It will come. It's only free now because it's piece of crap.

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I already answered the question. You are not screwed over from Microsoft. You are compensated and in many cases people got new consoles for free. Sony's approach is pure ripoff.

HDMI vs controller? Let me think about this one. HDMI doesn't GIVE ME any features man. How can you compare the two? HDMI is just convenience so I use one cable instead of 2 for video and sound. Component + Optical give me the same thing. There's no difference. I use component + optical and the games feel and look absolutely the same as someone using the HDMI console.

It's fantastic that people don't see the problem of what these guys are really doing. PS3 has been screw over after screw over and everyone is fine with that LOL.. I don't get it. Second year into consoles life and we are talking about early adopters. Are you serious?

A new console if they RROD'd, or took their 360 purchases back within 30 days? I think if you bought a sixaxis 30 days from DS3 launch, you could pull the same trick.

I seem to recall no MS initiative of "Return old 360s for HDMI models". Unless MS were publicly condoning the towel trick to kill your console and give you hope of getting an HDMI model in return.

HDMI doesn't give you any features? Why the hell did MS upgrade to it then? What a silly thing to say.

HDMI is just convenience so I use one cable instead of 2 for video and sound.

That's a feature to me. Less cables, and more efficient sound/audio options.

Not to mention many will argue HDMI produces the best visual quality.

Second year into consoles life and we are talking about early adopters. Are you serious?

I'd rather we are talking about early adopters later on.

If we're talking about early adopters 1-2-3-4 months after launch, then you have an Apple iPhone scenario.

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Keep that for here: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=629191

We really don't want this topic straying far from DS3 or some people will get "too excited".... :/

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I wasn't trying to opening up a discussion, but I can see why you would be worried. It seemed like a good analogy to show anti-consumer behavior and how Boz seems to miss the mark on anything MS related but fires away at Sony for everything.

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I do agree that Sony should have included the rumble control from day 1 but they had legal problems that needed to be solved first.

If i had the option to play a PS3 without rumble now, or one with rumble in 1 year, i would no doubt choose option number 1

And that's not our problem. It's theirs. What they need to do is now AT LEAST compensate people who BOUGHT DS3 controllers in addition to their PS3 siaxis controllers. AT LEAST. They of course won't do that.

Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

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And that's not our problem. It's theirs. What they need to do is now AT LEAST compensate people who BOUGHT DS3 controllers in addition to their PS3 siaxis controllers. AT LEAST. They of course won't do that.

Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

And that's not our problem. It's theirs. What they need to do is now AT LEAST compensate people who BOUGHT DS3 controllers in addition to their PS3 siaxis controllers. AT LEAST. They of course won't do that.

Why the hell would they compensate you for buying a DS3 controller?

What ARE you on about?

Yes the lawsuit was something they got caught up in, it was immersions fault, or whoever the company greed for money was though.

Even although launch was sketchy, I think people would've preferred seeing the PS3 over it being delayed a months/a year due to no DS3.

Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

Eventually yes, especially if you get a refurb. They won't always have parts to keep replacing sixaxis controllers.

MS I presume did the same thing with 360s.

They couldn't always return non-HDMI models unless they actually fixed your console directly, and didn't give you a refurb.

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Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

Does Apple replace the battery in an iPod for free? Sony didn't twist your arm to buy their console.

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And that's not our problem. It's theirs. What they need to do is now AT LEAST compensate people who BOUGHT DS3 controllers in addition to their PS3 siaxis controllers. AT LEAST. They of course won't do that.

Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

Technology changes a lot in a year, what you are saying is like asking Apple to compensate you for buying an iPod Gen 1 that came with mono headphones(silly example) while they released Gen 2 (with stereo headphones).

When they sold that iPod to you, it clearly said that it came with mono headphones, you were Ok with that and bought it.

They will still support your iPod Gen 1 but they wont give you a new accessory, same with the SixAxis, im sure they will still support it when your battery goes bad.

If they dont then they are gonna get in a whole mess, but im pretty sure the DS3 uses the same battery as the SixAxis.

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A new console if they RROD'd, or took their 360 purchases back within 30 days? I think if you bought a sixaxis 30 days from DS3 launch, you could pull the same trick.

I seem to recall no MS initiative of "Return old 360s for HDMI models". Unless MS were publicly condoning the towel trick to kill your console and give you hope of getting an HDMI model in return.

HDMI doesn't give you any features? Why the hell did MS upgrade to it then? What a silly thing to say.

That's a feature to me. Less cables, and more efficient sound/audio options.

Not to mention many will argue HDMI produces the best visual quality.

I'd rather we are talking about early adopters later on.

If we're talking about early adopters 1-2-3-4 months after launch, then you have an Apple iPhone scenario.

Completely silly.

1. ANY 360 that goes bad even now has free replaceement. They extended this replacement for 3 years. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

HDMI doesn't give you any features? Why the hell did MS upgrade to it then? What a silly thing to say.

That's a feature to me. Less cables, and more efficient sound/audio options.

2. LOL. Absolutely ridiculous. HDMI is ONLY convenient because you don't have 2 cables going into your system instead of 1, NOTHING else. You won't hear nor see a difference. There's no feature improvement or removal. Unlike Sony who butchered the console 3 times with REAL FEATURES like BC, memory card - or lack off, USB ports, hard drive size, closed up battery controllers and similar things on account of saving money. Microsoft did no such thing.

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Completely silly.

1. ANY 360 that goes bad even now has free replaceement. They extended this replacement for 3 years. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

2. LOL. Absolutely ridiculous. HDMI is ONLY convenient because you don't have 2 cables going into your system instead of 1, NOTHING else. You won't hear nor see a difference. There's no feature improvement or removal. Unlike Sony who butchered the console 3 times with REAL FEATURES like BC, memory card - or lack off, USB ports, hard drive size, closed up battery controllers and similar things on account of saving money. Microsoft did no such thing.

1. ANY 360 that goes bad even now has free replaceement. They extended this replacement for 3 years. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure you CAN get your same console back Boz.

That's not a replacement, that's a fixed console.

Just like the guy who got his signed 360 back with the writing rubbed off.

Anyway, condoning faulty hardware/breaking your 360 on purpose to get HDMI hardly makes up for the fact, if we use your terminology, early 360 owners "got raped!".

I'm sure you'll disagree with that. Maybe then you'll realize why you have a mountain in front of you when you claim PS3 owners got raped due to DS3.

2. LOL. Absolutely ridiculous. HDMI is ONLY convenient because you don't have 2 cables going into your system instead of 1, NOTHING else. You won't hear nor see a difference. There's no feature improvement or removal. Unlike Sony who butchered the console 3 times with REAL FEATURES like BC, memory card - or lack off, USB ports, hard drive size, closed up battery controllers and similar things on account of saving money. Microsoft did no such thing.

For an HD buff, I'm quite surprised you are downplaying HDMI as not a feature.

I wonder if MS would call HDMI a feature of their 360? Maybe we should ask them, and let's see if they say, "hell it's not a feature! it doesn't matter!". No, I'm sure MS would say HDMI is a feature of our 360's.

I wonder if then you'd even argue with MS? That would be a right laugh.

But alas, you've managed to turn this into a why I hate my PS3, rather than a DS3 discussion.

Both MS and Sony have made bad decisions this generation, and if you can't see that, you're on a high horse. One which you really should get off if you value your reputation in discussions.

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Technology changes a lot in a year, what you are saying is like asking Apple to compensate you for buying an iPod Gen 1 that came with mono headphones(silly example) while they released Gen 2 (with stereo headphones).

When they sold that iPod to you, it clearly said that it came with mono headphones, you were Ok with that and bought it.

They will still support your iPod Gen 1 but they wont give you a new accessory, same with the SixAxis, im sure they will still support it when your battery goes bad.

If they dont then they are gonna get in a whole mess, but im pretty sure the DS3 uses the same battery as the SixAxis.

I don't understand why you are comparing anything we are talking about here to Apple. Did I say I agree with Apple practices?

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HDMI is ONLY convenient because you don't have 2 cables going into your system instead of 1, NOTHING else. You won't hear nor see a difference. There's no feature improvement or removal. Unlike Sony who butchered the console 3 times with REAL FEATURES like BC, memory card - or lack off, USB ports, hard drive size, closed up battery controllers and similar things on account of saving money. Microsoft did no such thing.

2 cables in the back of your console and 4(Component + Digital audio) on the back of you receiver/tv instead of 1 with HDMI...

I don't understand why you are comparing anything we are talking about here to Apple. Did I say I agree with Apple practices?

Replace Apple with any other consumer electronic manufacturer and everything still applies...

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Why the hell would they compensate you for buying a DS3 controller?

What ARE you on about?

Yes the lawsuit was something they got caught up in, it was immersions fault, or whoever the company greed for money was though.

Even although launch was sketchy, I think people would've preferred seeing the PS3 over it being delayed a months/a year due to no DS3.

Eventually yes, especially if you get a refurb. They won't always have parts to keep replacing sixaxis controllers.

MS I presume did the same thing with 360s.

They couldn't always return non-HDMI models unless they actually fixed your console directly, and didn't give you a refurb.

I agree audio, I bought a white DS3 after having 2 sixaxis controllers, all thats happened is my sixaxis got demoted to player 2 and 3, I've not lost out.

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#1 The batteries are replaceable

#2 How is the customer getting screwed? You agreed to pay for that PS3 with Sixaxis controller, and choose to pay for the DS3. This is no different to when they went from regular PS1 controllers, to ones with L2 + R2 buttons, to DualShock 1, to DualShock 2 etc etc. You pay the price for buying the technology when it's available. You could just as easily have waited until they released the DS3 and bought a PS3 then. Early adopters pay extra to get the technology right when it becomes available. If you don't like it, tough.

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Then I'm glad future buyers of the console won't get the horrible P.O.S called Sixaxis, like I'm stuck with.

Sixaxis is a huge reason why i hate my PS3.

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I'm pretty sure you CAN get your same console back Boz.

That's not a replacements, that's a fixed console.

But alas, you've managed to turn this into a why I hate my PS3, rather than a DS3 discussion.

Both MS and Sony have made bad decisions this generation, and if you can't see that, you're on a high horse. One which you really should get off if you value your reputation in discussions.

No, most people I know get new HDMI consoles these days anyways.

I turned this into I HATE my PS3?! I pointed out at lame business practices of Sony with DS3 you are the one who always goes into Xbox 360 discussion and then finishes off with the response like you just did, as if there's nothing wrong, EVER, with Sony and all these crap and screwing over with customers is FINE.

Then you go on how Microsoft does the same thign with absolutely ridiculous examples that have no connection to anything we are talking about.

Then we see people getting Apple in too and so on and so on just to detract from the fact from lame and anti-consumer practices Sony engages with everything PS3. From the console itself to controllers.

I don't know any bad decisions Microsoft made with Xbox 360. My INITIAL XBox 360 console is working just fine and even if it goes bad I have it covered free of charge. Some people had problems, they were taken care of FOR FREE. What else do you want? On the other hand, THING AFTER THING in Sony's case is, is a bad mistake, it's not their fault, they couldn't do that because of the lawsuit etc etc. LOL. Seriously, I've never seen so many people defending anti-consumer practices. I just don't get it.

What they are doing with DS3 is NOT GOOD. It's a ripoff and everyone who bought a PS3 recently or paid for DS3 is feeling pretty stupid and bitter now because other people will be getting them for free. I have no doubt about that. There are no early adopters anymore, 2 years into a life of a product.

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No, most people I know get new HDMI consoles these days anyways.

I turned this into I HATE my PS3?! I pointed out at lame business practices of Sony with DS3 you are the one who always goes into Xbox 360 discussion and then finishes off with the response like you just did, as if there's nothing wrong, EVER, with Sony and all these crap and screwing over with customers is FINE.

Then you go on how Microsoft does the same thign with absolutely ridiculous examples that have no connection to anything we are talking about.

Then we see people getting Apple in too and so on and so on just to detract from the fact from lame and anti-consumer practices Sony engages with everything PS3. From the console itself to controllers.

I don't know any bad decisions Microsoft made with Xbox 360. My INITIAL XBox 360 console is working just fine and even if it goes bad I have it covered free of charge. Some people had problems, they were taken care of FOR FREE. What else do you want? On the other hand, THING AFTER THING in Sony's case is, is a bad mistake, it's not their fault, they couldn't do that because of the lawsuit etc etc. LOL. Seriously, I've never seen so many people defending anti-consumer practices. I just don't get it.

What they are doing with DS3 is NOT GOOD. It's a ripoff and everyone who bought a PS3 recently or paid for DS3 is feeling pretty stupid and bitter now because other people will be getting them for free. I have no doubt about that.

No, most people I know get new HDMI consoles these days anyways.

*Most* is the keyword. You can't say all, as you know not everyone will.

Just like I could say, *most* people who send in a faulty sixaxis in 9 months time, will probably get a DS3.

I turned this into I HATE my PS3?! I pointed out at lame business practices of Sony with DS3 you are the one who always goes into Xbox 360 discussion and then finishes off with the response like you just did, as if there's nothing wrong, EVER, with Sony and all these crap and screwing over with customers is FINE.

Just about,

Talk to me about this when Sony finally finished Home and creates the system that's worth something and they start charging for it. It will come. It's only free now because it's piece of crap.
PS3 has been screw over after screw over and everyone is fine with that LOL.. I don't get it.
With Xbox 360 I have absolutely no feeling I got screwed out of anything. With PS3, I paid $600 for a console that got discontinued and was being sold for $399. New users buying PS3 40gb got took for a ride with no BC compatibility and cheaper components in there but the machine is less loud.

There we go, a small army of reasons not related to DS3, but just reasons you don't agree with Sony/dislike your PS3.

I bought my 360 for ?280, I guess I should feel hard done by that I could have got one for ?150 now.

By the way I created my Neowin Discusses PSN/Home topic, you should go give your input on the service in that topi(Y)Y)

I don't know any bad decisions Microsoft made with Xbox 360.


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Not even the most enthusiastic gamers from the 360 section are going to walk away saying that if they want to keep their reputation intact.

Both SonANDb> MS have made mistakes. If you believe otherwise, you are the one blinded.

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Mistakes and decisions are too different things.

?

I don't see what you're getting at.

The 360 hardware was a mistake, not a decision.

I doubt MS went, yes, let's release non-efficient hardware.

That would've been a decision.

But I guess you can intertwine decision/mistake to suit your own needs.

Sony releasing the PS3 without PSN fully ready? Decision or mistake? Decision to get to market asap, or mistake as it cost them a slew of bad press/disgruntled gamers?

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Because he was commenting the decisions of Sony, then you started talking about 'both companies made mistakes' - Therefore i said that.

And thank you for clearing up what they mean, i had no idea.

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What the heck Boz? Do you have nothing better to do than cry about Sony and anything related to Sony? This is no different than what Sony did in the past with the PS1, i.e replacing the standard controller with the original dual shock. No different than a console company bundling a popular game in with a console and offering it at the same price as before.

So I paid for DS3 controller $50 and now they'll be giving them for free.

No they are replacing the sixaxis in the bundle. It's hardly free when your paying for it as part of the package.

So you'd rather that Sony continues to sell the PS3 with just a sixaxis and then if the consumer wants rumble they have to shell extra for the DS? That would be even more retarded.

I couldn't give a flying fig about Sony replacing this, The fact I've had my PS3 for X amount of time before this package came out offsets that. Even If I'd just brought it last week it wouldn't bother me. Its the way the tech world works.

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Because he was commenting the decisions of Sony, then you started talking about 'both companies made mistakes' - Therefore i said that.

And thank you for clearing up what they mean, i had no idea.

What you said really didn't add anything, that's what I showed.

Both companies made bad mistakes and bad decisions.

Unless anyone is now going to try and pull a "company x ONLY made decisions, they didn't make mistakes!!!!".

And if anyone does, I'll be ready to laugh.

BOTH of them made decisions that lead to mistakes, and then from mistakes they also made decisions, some good, some bad, some up for debate.

For example,

MS made a decision to go to market early, that decision lead to a mistake in the hardware side of things, which then led to a good decision from MS to extend to a 3yr warranty.

Decisions AND mistakes.

Not trying to make you look silly, im merely just proving my point in the most primitive of fashion - To make sure NO ONE misunderstands/twists what ive said.

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