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And what makes you think no one was upset by that?

Perhaps - but I doubt the ugliness and bulkyness of that ancient controller was due to lawsuits :p

What could Sony possibly have done?

Postponed the release of the PS3 even further? :s

A replacement with a minimal fee option would be nice tho :yes:

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A replacement with a minimal fee option would be nice tho :yes:

That's what they would have to do, to keep me happy.

But "Minimal Fee" in Denmark, would probably be cheaper to import a gold plated DS3 :laugh:

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It's no surprise to see who's kicking up all the fuss in this topic after all the ranting we had regarding Blu-ray vs HD-DVD. This just seems like a vendetta against Sony. Honestly, Sony is now offering an improved controller - they are phasing out the old one. That's a GOOD thing. It's no different than Microsoft doing it with the original Xbox controller (which was considered too big). You're again being a hypocrite by downplaying that and kicking up a storm here. Can you not see how irrational you are being?

Wow, I'm not sure why everyone has jumped on Boz so much.

Firstly, because most people disagree with him. Secondly, because this is just like the fuss he kicked up over Blu-ray / HD-DVD.

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Wow, I'm not sure why everyone has jumped on Boz so much. IMO, he is absolutely right. Although the best course of action is debatable, I agree that some sort of minor rebate or something from Sony should be made, but lets not kid ourselves. This is Sony we're talking about.

Why should they? Because it's not a "you have to live with it because you're an early adopter issue", that's not it at all, or at least it shouldn't be. Because a new controller with rumble capabilities is a completely new feature and people with a SixAxis are really getting the bunt-end of the deal for when new games with rumble capabilities are released.

Nether the Wii or the Xbox 360 have added anything to their consoles that you couldn't do on a launch-day console. HDMI-enabled Xbox 360s is a sorry excuse for a comparative argument, since 1080p output and Optical Audio has been available since launch.

Ah, anyway, I'm glad the DS3s are going to start being bundled with the PS3s. My purchase is nigh! :D

For certain people HDMI can mean quite a lot, hell I even remember all the fuss that was kicked up on here about going out and finding an HDMI enabled console - Some people even rebought a new 360.

A hardware change is a change, what is daft on NW is when some downplay one change over another, and then go postal at one company, but say the other is doing nothing wrong. That is contradicting yourself.

I think what people get peeved off with Boz is he can take arguably lesser things of importance and turn them into things as important as the holocaust. I mean a new controller with rumble in my books isn't as important as a hardware change to the CONSOLE itself. We are talking about a peripheral change. But meh, that's my opinion.

Hence why I retreat to my corner and say both MS and Sony have made bad decisions and bad mistakes. Both of them are trying to correct themselves now by doing all they can do - Give us what we wanted.

Everyone knows the risks of early adopters, if you're going to go postal at one company for making changes early adopters can't get without paying, why not go postal at them all? That is whats causing a rift in this topic.

Selective complaining.

I laugh when people complain about companies correcting mistakes, they may be potty mouthed in their PR departments to make their mistakes seem "lesser" but at least in actions, they are doing things.

For example, Sony are slowly giving us things missing from launch. MS are slowly starting to show their new hardware might have given us what we want, stability.

And so on and so on, as better decisions are made.

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For certain people HDMI can mean quite a lot, hell I even remember all the fuss that was kicked up on here about going out and finding an HDMI enabled console - Some people even rebought a new 360.

A hardware change is a change, what is daft on NW is when some downplay one change over another, and then go postal at one company, but say the other is doing nothing wrong. That is contradicting yourself.

I think what people get peeved off with Boz is he can take arguably lesser things of importance and turn them into things as important as the holocaust. I mean a new controller with rumble in my books isn't as important as a hardware change to the CONSOLE itself. We are talking about a peripheral change. But meh, that's my opinion.

Hence why I retreat to my corner and say both MS and Sony have made bad decisions and bad mistakes. Both of them are trying to correct themselves now by doing all they can do - Give us what we wanted.

Everyone knows the risks of early adopters, if you're going to go postal at one company for making changes early adopters can't get without paying, why not go postal at them all? That is whats causing a rift in this topic.

Selective complaining.

I laugh when people complain about companies correcting mistakes, they may be potty mouthed in their PR departments to make their mistakes seem "lesser" but at least in actions, they are doing things.

For example, Sony are slowly giving us things missing from launch. MS are slowly starting to show their new hardware might have given us what we want, stability.

And so on and so on, as better decisions are made.

Amen

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I think what people get peeved off with Boz is he can take arguably lesser things of importance and turn them into things as important as the holocaust. I mean a new controller with rumble in my books isn't as important as a hardware change to the CONSOLE itself. We are talking about a peripheral change. But meh, that's my opinion.

o how you are right!

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A replacement with a minimal fee option would be nice tho :yes:

It would be nice, but no business/company is going to replace products there is nothing wrong with. Faulty products get replaced/broken products get replaced, but perfectly ok products that were sold as-is when they were in the shops? No, they don't get replaced.

Fact is, the sixaxis will play every PS3 game from now until the console kicks the bucket. It's not flawed, it's not broken, it just doesn't have rumble.

A downer for many, but it doesn't compromise play. You can argue it subtracts from your enjoyment, but it doesn't stop you from playing. Sixaxis is functional and always will be.

Just like how an HDMI 360 isn't needed to play GTA4, released in the near future to a generation of 360's that are ALL hdmi enabled. MS didn't offer a trade in your 360 for the exact same reason, there is nothing "wrong" with the non-HDMI 360.

It's merely a model that's been picked up by early adopters.

You can argue till your face explodes consoles were always about trying NOT to shaft early adopters, as the PS2/Xbox really only saw size iterations, and in a way you're right about previous generations. This generation has stepped out of this boundary for the first time, and of course there are explosions by certain buyers, but both MS and Sony are guilty. So don't go hopping on only one of the "go postal" trains that stops outside your house, if you aren't willing to ride them both, you soon start to contradict yourself (N)

I'm conscious of the fact I will end up shelling out for a DS3, but when I bought my PS3 I knew it had no rumble. I'm not about to go postal now that future owners will have rumble included, I've had the benefit of owning a PS3 before them :p And I can get rumble now anyway, for the price of a peripheral, not the price of shelling out for a new console.

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Wow, I post on page 2 an hour or two ago and it has turned into 4 pages of for the most part madness. :no:

The images of the xbox controller are referring to the fact that the first Xbox came with a really big controller. The Japanese one came with a smaller controller (Apparently to fit Japanese hands which are smaller) but eventually MS changed the US controller to the Japanese one(and bundled it inside new xbox consoles) People who only had the old one had to buy new ones. This is NO different than the PS3 and the DS3.

Absolutely perfect example. I bought the first XBox and Day 1, and I got one of those big, old clunky uncomfortable controllers.

I then had to go out and buy an S controller later on, no one offered me a trade in, etc. People who bought an XBox later on got it with the console itself. But you know what, that is completely irrelevant, however it does prove the theory about all early adopters getting screwed somehow more often than not.

My whole point in my example (and BTW unequivocally Yes, HDMi would have been a nice choice from day one, and a 120GB HD would have been REALLY, REALLY nice), and I believe Audioboxer really did say it best, is that BOTH companies, I repeat again, BOTH companies, have made their share of mistakes. Fortunately for MS they just have a much better marketing department and what appears to be a much bigger budget for advertising on a whole, so they come off better overall even though they are both guilty of screwing over early adopters. But again this is a new concept how? Early adopters get screwed from the get go with pretty much everything.

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Please do me a favor everyone, if you have said your peace on this topic, move on.

Instead of turning this into a full fledged flame fest, right now it is about 50-75%, walk away now and just let it go. Please.

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Good riddance imo (Y)

To add..

The images of the xbox controller are referring to the fact that the first Xbox came with a really big controller. The Japanese one came with a smaller controller (Apparently to fit Japanese hands which are smaller) but eventually MS changed the US controller to the Japanese one(and bundled it inside new xbox consoles) People who only had the old one had to buy new ones. This is NO different than the PS3 and the DS3.

Terrible terrible example, seeing as the Xbox controller and Controller S never had any features removed or added. It was simply a redesign for the Japanese market.

Good ol' Neowin, it never changes eh!

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Please do me a favor everyone, if you have said your peace on this topic, move on.

Instead of turning this into a full fledged flame fest, right now it is about 50-75%, walk away now and just let it go. Please.

I don't understand why a mod would discourage discussion? Nobody is name calling or resorting to personal insults (from what I've read). As far as I can tell, it's a healthy discussion. Not sure why you'd want to end such a thing. Meh, Neowin. :)

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Terrible terrible example, seeing as the Xbox controller and Controller S never had any features removed or added. It was simply a redesign for the Japanese market.

Both situations have something important in common - they both replaced a controller that was criticised with one that was widely regarded as better. The Xbox controller was a worse situation because many people found the original controller to be uncomfortable, whereas that was never a complaint about the Sixaxis. The point is that Sony is ADDING a new feature that wasn't present on the original - that's a bad thing? Was Microsoft adding HDMI a bad thing? Was the X360 adding a larger hard-drive a bad thing? It would have been worse if they continued to ship the Sixaxis with the PS3 and required people wanting the DS3 to go out and pay for it. It seems logic has flown out the window when criticising a company for improving a product.

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And I'm not sure what inferior components we are really talking about since I'm using my VERY FIRST Xbox 360 just fine. The problem was in cooling not components. With Xbox 360 I have absolutely no feeling I got screwed out of anything. With PS3, I paid $600 for a console that got discontinued and was being sold for $399. New users buying PS3 40gb got took for a ride with no BC compatibility and cheaper components in there but the machine is less loud. DS3 will now be standard in the package if you buy PS3 and anyone who bought the DS3 and has siaxis is pretty much bent over. One after another thing is with Sony.

I have nothing against you Boz, but in that line you make it sound like the X360 is still selling for its original price when you bought it...

Let's not go into the fact that when your battery goes berserk and you can't really replace it with your Siaxis, you'll have to go buy DS3 controller. Let me ask you, do you think Sony will replace it for you with the DS3?

Sony said long ago that they woud replace the batteries "free of cost". I don't know anyone who has had this done, so I can't comment exactly.

What they are doing with DS3 is NOT GOOD. It's a ripoff and everyone who bought a PS3 recently or paid for DS3 is feeling pretty stupid and bitter now because other people will be getting them for free. I have no doubt about that. There are no early adopters anymore, 2 years into a life of a product.

Anyone who bought a DS3 before its release here obviously has a PS3 already, why would they want to buy another PS3 so they could get a "free" DS3?

I agree that they should've had DS3's with the PS3 back in the beginning. We've all known about rumble-powered DS3's coming soon for months now, and it was only obvious that they would replace the sixaxis controllers, so I don't understand what the fuss is about, we all knew it was coming, just a matter of time...

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I don't understand why a mod would discourage discussion? Nobody is name calling or resorting to personal insults (from what I've read). As far as I can tell, it's a healthy discussion. Not sure why you'd want to end such a thing. Meh, Neowin. :)

It's not even a discussion, they're just independent personal statements that state something which is not even an argument, without it ever going anywhere and continue on until forever.

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BTW does anyone know SIXAXIS is a palindrome? I only found out today and quite interesting...

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BTW does anyone know SIXAXIS is a palindrome? I only found out today and quite interesting...

Yeah my nephew told me that a few days ago - never noticed it before that :s

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BTW does anyone know SIXAXIS is a palindrome? I only found out today and quite interesting...

Um, they kind of used it in their advertising.

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Both situations have something important in common - they both replaced a controller that was criticised with one that was widely regarded as better. The Xbox controller was a worse situation because many people found the original controller to be uncomfortable, whereas that was never a complaint about the Sixaxis. The point is that Sony is ADDING a new feature that wasn't present on the original - that's a bad thing? Was Microsoft adding HDMI a bad thing? Was the X360 adding a larger hard-drive a bad thing? It would have been worse if they continued to ship the Sixaxis with the PS3 and required people wanting the DS3 to go out and pay for it. It seems logic has flown out the window when criticising a company for improving a product.

First of all, I hope for your sake you are joking.

Second, DrCheese said..

"People who only had the old one had to buy new ones." Completely untrue.

And as for adding dual shock 3, perhaps you missed the first sentence of my last post. I'm all for it replacing Sixaxis.

Please read next time before you hit the reply button (Y)

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Since we're crying about the revision of controllers, remember when Microsoft decided to replace that bloated first gen XBOX controller with the controller S? I don't ever recalling MS doing anything different than Sony is now.

IMO Boz, you're nitpicking bud. Anyone in this thread can see that. Also arguing with you seems to fall on deaf ears.

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Since we're crying about the revision of controllers, remember when Microsoft decided to replace that bloated first gen XBOX controller with the controller S? I don't ever recalling MS doing anything different than Sony is now.

IMO Boz, you're nitpicking bud. Anyone in this thread can see that. Also arguing with you seems to fall on deaf ears.

I'n not nitpicking..I'm exposing completely anti-consumer practices. It's a matter of principle. Btw, even if Microsoft did the same thign with original Xbox, it hasn't done with Xbox 360 which I'm talking about. Of course I don't approve the same practices by Microsoft if it was like that with original Xbox 360. I don't even know, I always got the proper controller.

The point here is that people who have Siaxis will now HAVE TO buy DS3 because new games will utilize this feature. And it is a FEATURE. This is the problem I'm pointing out.

When I bought Xbox 360 and Wii years after my purchases I'm getting the same features I expected when I bought the consoles. Only with PS3, I have to continue paying things if I want to keep up to date with all features of the games.

Can't you people see this?

It seems that pointing out completely reasonable concerns about ripoff to Sony fanboys falls on deaf ears and I'm sure people see this, I just can't figure out why anyone would support this type of business practices to begin with. Is obsession with a brand that big to not see when consumers are clearly taken advantage of.

To be honest, I stopped buying anything Sony anymore. I simply refuse to be milked with absolutely no reason except their poor organization and execution from the beginning of PS3s life. I've stopped buying anything for PS3 anymore, I'm using it exclusively as Blu-Ray player now. It's simply not worth it.

I refuse to be a sucker and keep paying for something I should've had from the start like with Xbox 360 and Wii.

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I'n not nitpicking..I'm exposing completely anti-consumer practices. It's a matter of principle. Btw, even if Microsoft did the same thign with original Xbox, it hasn't done with Xbox 360 which I'm talking about. Of course I don't approve the same practices by Microsoft if it was like that with original Xbox 360. I don't even know, I always got the proper controller.

The point here is that people who have Siaxis will now HAVE TO buy DS3 because new games will utilize this feature. And it is a FEATURE. This is the problem I'm pointing out.

When I bought Xbox 360 and Wii years after my purchases I'm getting the same features I expected when I bought the consoles. Only with PS3, I have to continue paying things if I want to keep up to date with all features of the games.

Can't you people see this?

It seems that pointing out completely reasonable concerns about ripoff to Sony fanboys falls on deaf ears and I'm sure people see this, I just can't figure out why anyone would support this type of business practices to begin with. Is obsession with a brand that big to not see when consumers are clearly taken advantage of.

To be honest, I stopped buying anything Sony anymore. I simply refuse to be milked with absolutely no reason except their poor organization and execution from the beginning of PS3s life. I've stopped buying anything for PS3 anymore, I'm using it exclusively as Blu-Ray player now. It's simply not worth it.

I refuse to be a sucker and keep paying for something I should've had from the start like with Xbox 360 and Wii.

Epic fail.

No one has to buy anything. As I said earlier, im looking forward to picking up some cheap sixaxis controllers on ebay now!

To be honest, I stopped buying anything Sony anymore. I simply refuse to be milked with absolutely no reason except their poor organization and execution from the beginning of PS3s life. I've stopped buying anything for PS3 anymore, I'm using it exclusively as Blu-Ray player now. It's simply not worth it.

Ok fair enough, your choice. I'll send you a postcard at the start of 2009 telling you everything gaming I enjoyed this year. I don't hold fruitless grudges to prevent myself playing genuinely good games. If I did, i'd be starving myself of what it is to be a gamer.

Does this also mean we'll see less of you in the Sony GAMING section, if you don't plan to invest in Sony's games anymore?

Sorry Boz, you know how badly I preach respect and letting everyone have a say, but sometimes you beat the horse to death, run over it a few times in a JBC, then set off an atom bomb to finish it off.

In other words, from time to time you really take things too far for most of us. It's your decision to go to the lengths you do, just understand other people don't want to go to those lengths with you all the time.

In the light of us going from no rumble, to rumble, something 95% of people could have told you would happen well before now, this topic has been massively blown out of proportions.

I don't think DL was trying to stop healthy discussions, he was trying to stop an absolutely pointless 15 page rant on rumble in a controller from eating up our time.

I'm outta here before I lose my sanity.

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Personally, I think Boz should run for government. He can legitimize any of his arguments, making him the smartest guy of all time.

Damn, a day late.

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I'm not here to argue which is right (I could personally care less, rumbling gives you carpal tunnel :D), because I never used rumble anyways.

Bye, Sixaxis. We will never forget you.

I'm sorry, but Steven Hawking is probably the smartest guy of all time.

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Sweet, been waiting for both a price drop and DS3 controllers before I buy the console. Now one of those two criteria are met. I'm not usually one to wait for price drops really but I'm more after the machine for the BluRay what with no games immediatly taking my fancy (Final Fantasy will be one I'll go for down the track). With Blu Ray films here still being very exy I'm in no rush really, but nice to see them ditching SIXAXIS

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I see no issue with it... its like when my launch xbox came with bigger "duke" controllers, then they later released the much better controller-S.

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