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OEM Vista user: Possible to use any Vista ISO?

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profets    1
Anyway, I've said enough. If you folks want to stay in your dream worlds, where everything is "free" and "legal" because YOU say it is, you are welcome to it.

hahaha, everything is free and legal because we say so? if i've paid for windows vista, and use a different copy of media to install the product with the product key which i've PAID for, there is nothing FREE nor ILLEGAL about it.

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James7    659
The fact is, NONE of you (apparently) give a crap about what the EULA says, and what your "rights" are. Why? Because you hate law. And you hate it because it shows your consciences your own lawbreaking when you fail to keep the law.

Thank you so much for helping us see the light. Fact is though, I, like many people, actually do read EULAs. I know what Microsoft's and other proprietary software companies want me to agree to. I personally don't agree to those terms and do not use their software. I agree to the GPL v2 and v3, and I use software under those terms. I actually want to become a patent lawyer and so am very interested in IP law more generally and I read a lot about it. Again, you seem to care a lot about law and yet, because you don't like legal distinctions between 'copyright infringement' and 'theft', you choose to ignore them. This is, as I said, ironic, or at least opens you to the charge of inconsistency.

I am sure there are lots of people out there who don't use software legally but the fact is the OP wanted to know what he was doing was legal. He got his answer. End of story. God is in his heaven and all's right with the world!

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profets    1
I tried my best. Now it's up to a Higher power to convince you.

you know what i love about this line? i've just showed the thread to 2 MS employees, who got a real laugh at it.

Microsoft is concerned regarding actual PIRACY, not someone who has PAID to use windows vista, and installed it using some copy or another of it.

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WindowsOnIMac    0
Donald L McDaniel, a question for you from a friend,

My friend owns 2 computers and a laptop. The two computers are custom built and for each he has a copy of windows vista purchased from a retail shop. The laptop is a Dell, which came with a recovery disc & image on the hdd, and the COA for windows vista on the bottom of the laptop.

He formatted his laptop, and wanted to do a clean install of vista, He used one of the retail vista discs, and entered the Product key which is on the bottom of the laptop. Upon getting to the desktop for the first time, it asked him to activate, which went through online in about 15 seconds.

According to some of the things you've been saying, you would consider him a THIEF ?

thats incorrect. any valid ISO of windows vista accepts retail or oem cdkeys.

Apparently, you are falling into lock-step with the rest here.

First, I did NOT say that "a VALID ISO of Windows would not allow the use of your friend's Product key to install Vista on his machine."

I DID say that an ISO of Windows which is NOT downloaded from a MICROSOFT server is ILLEGAL.

And therefore, such an ISO would NOT be a "valid ISO". "Valid ISOs" are those which have been distributed by MICROSOFT, UNDER LICENSE, for download by those who have the right to do it (i.e., "paying members of MSDN and Technet Plus". Since ISOs found on P2P networks are NOT distributed by Microsoft, UNDER LICENSE from MIcrosoft, they are in NO WAY "valid", whether one has an offical Microsoft Product key or not.

Additionally Vista is NOT provided to consumers in the form of an ISO. MSDN and Technet Plus memberships DO provide such VALID ISOs. ANY OTHER downloaded ISO would NOT be licensed by Microsoft, whether one has a valid Product Key or not.

Now, do you understand more completely what I am saying?

There is a HUGE difference in your interpretation of my words and what I actually wrote.

Donald L McDaniel

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TR1GG3R    0

since op got his answer n every 1 else has kinda hijacked this thread i got a Q. i got the vista upgrade disc and cd key that was on offer ages ago where u were meant to upgrade over xp or install as 30 day trial then upgrade over the top of that so i have now got a 64bit vista sp1 disc and want to use my same VALID cd key to install 64bit can i use this new disc the same way as the other ? install as trial then go over it again only this time use my cd key ?

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profets    1
Apparently, you are falling into lock-step with the rest here.

First, I did NOT say that "a VALID ISO of Windows would not allow the use of your friend's Product key to install Vista on his machine."

I DID say that an ISO of Windows which is NOT downloaded from a MICROSOFT server is ILLEGAL.

And therefore, such an ISO would NOT be a "valid ISO". "Valid ISOs" are those which have been distributed by MICROSOFT, UNDER LICENSE, for download by those who have the right to do it (i.e., "paying members of MSDN and Technet Plus". Since ISOs found on P2P networks are NOT distributed by Microsoft, UNDER LICENSE from MIcrosoft, they are in NO WAY "valid", whether one has an offical Microsoft Product key or not.

Additionally Vista is NOT provided to consumers in the form of an ISO. MSDN and Technet Plus memberships DO provide such VALID ISOs. ANY OTHER downloaded ISO would NOT be licensed by Microsoft, whether one has a valid Product Key or not.

Now, do you understand more completely what I am saying?

There is a HUGE difference in your interpretation of my words and what I actually wrote.

Donald L McDaniel

yup, i see what your saying. if the disc itself or a valid iso is obtained legally from a store or through microsoft (technet/mdsn/connect,etc), it should be technically legal to use.

in my previous question, there should be nothing wrong with using a retail vista disc to install vista onto a laptop with the product key which is connected to that laptop?

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mircleman    0

Look windowsonmac.....it's like this.... time and time again those of us in the know have instructed you that you are inncorrect.instead of you being a man and not a boy. you have decided not to listen or understand. that what you are saying is wrong plain and simple.

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YOUR REALLY NOT GETTING THIS HERE.I HAVE AND DO WORK WITH MICROSOFT PEOPLE EVERYDAY. FROM THE LOWEST MAN ON THE TODEM POLE TO MR ALLARD TO MR GATES HIMSELF. WHICH YES i DO WORK WITH AND HAVE AND DO SPEAK WITH QUITE ALLOT. AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG.AND IF I WAS A HATEFUL PERSON. I COULD VERY EASLY. HAVE THESE PEOPLE CONTACT NEOWIN DIRECTLY AND HAVE THEM TELL THEM YOUR AN IDIOT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. YOU CAN THINK WE LIVE IN THESE DREAM WORLDS ALL YOU WISH. IT'S NOT US. BUT YOU. WHO DO NOT WISH TO ADMIT THEY MAY BE WRONG.

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SirDarkness    0
thats incorrect. any valid ISO of windows vista accepts retail or oem cdkeys.

OK so I can go into my Best Buy and copy all they Prod Keys off the machines and use them. New kinda bootleg. I think not.

Many others say U cant and I have tried with a Dell before. It comes up invalid. AND if you can trick it past it you cannot activate legally.

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Pharos    24
Many others say U cant and I have tried with a Dell before. It comes up invalid. AND if you can trick it past it you cannot activate legally.

That always happened with XP, but NEVER so with Vista. I would be VERY surprised if what you're saying turns out to be true.

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SirDarkness    0
That always happened with XP, but NEVER so with Vista. I would be VERY surprised if what you're saying turns out to be true.

I know and that is why you can't. U have to have an OEM Machine and DVD the install looks in the rom dir where the right numbers and key is and installs.

Now on a "OEM" machine built at a computer shop as an OEM is not a REAL oem. It uses the Retail OEM that you can get at Newegg for sys builders. This can be used on any machines but once it is installed it will only authenticate to THAT machine. BUT in todays world there are always way around everything. Kinda sad.

If people would only half focus less on developing keygens, viruses, spyware, and other hacks they could be comming up with a cure for cancer, AIDs, and interstellar Startrek SPACE FLIGHT!!! CaMON PPL!!

LOL 2cent at the end sry.

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profets    1
I know and that is why you can't. U have to have an OEM Machine and DVD the install looks in the rom dir where the right numbers and key is and installs.

PharosBR & SirDarkness

i dont know the legality of it, but 100% it works. i've done this several times. part of my work is preparing computers/laptops and i always use the same vista installation. before it was just vista iso (same as retail), now a vista sp1 iso from MS.

i install using this vista dvd, place the cdkey from the oem COA sticker, and it activates no problem.

the most recent one was a dell laptop which has a COA for vista business. i installed vista using a burned version of the iso from msvl, then when at the desktop i put in the cd key from the coa, and it activated on first try.

at one point last year i built a system from scratch, and with the parts i also bought an oem copy of vista home premium (the type thats available only with a new computer). the disc in that oem package is the same as the retail ones.

the ones that really differ, are restore/OS discs that come from oem manufacturers such as dell,asus,acer,lenovo,etc..

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SirDarkness    0

One last thing to check for is if it passes the online Windows Authentication. Just to be 100% I would check that out. In my situation it did not work I put the OEM key 3 times and it kicked it back every time. 3 times to make sure I was typing it right. If it worked for you I hope it works for the rest of us. :-)

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Eric    1,605
Unless you use the media provided with your laptop, you WON'T be able to activate the software without lying to the Activation Tech in a convincing manner.

It certainly doesn't mean that the Key is a RETAIL key, since it is actually an OEM key.

Also, unless this "Product key" consists of 5 groups of 5 alpha-numeric characters each, you are not referring to a valid Microsoft Product Key.

Did your copy come in a box produced by Microsoft? If not, it is an OEM copy. If it was in a shrink-wrapped piece of cardboard, it is obviously an OEM copy.

Additionally, IF the DVD has "not for resale or distribution" on it, it is obviously an OEM copy.

I really wish you people would EDUCATE yourselves.

Donald L McDaniel

Getting a bit full of yourself for 88 posts, aren't you?

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timmmay    47

Just to put this out there...I've used a MSDN copy of Vista w/SP1 with an OEM key :)

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SirDarkness    0
Just to put this out there...I've used a MSDN copy of Vista w/SP1 with an OEM key :)

Danka!

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Colin-uk    135

ok, im going to go ahead and close this, its gone so far off topic I dont see it ever returning.

Also, please try to refrain from insults and attacks, it'll only result in getting you warned.

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