Ubuntu 8.04 this Thursday


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Very true, but I didn't want to elaborate into the fact that Microsoft has cornered the market and since 9*% of people use windows thats what developers want to primarily develop for. But since you can't use x and y on linux what does everyone else do? On a typical day with your linux box.. what is it that you are doing? Do you just surf the net, hop on Neowin or are you productive in other ways? I never said that Linux was the problem.. I just said that I don't know how to use the OS to benefit me... and I want to.

My personal desktop (I also have an ibook) runs Ubuntu 7.10. I primarily use it for internet (calendar, mail, rss - all via Google). I also use it for photo storage. I use F-spot and have about 4-5GB of photos. It works just fine and I can easily export them to my Flickr account or print them (an HP all in one not sure of model number). My son has his own login as well, he uses it for flash game websites so that is no issue. I themed it up with the edubuntu stuff and a Bionicle wallpaper and he thinks he's in heaven.

Now, at work, there is no way I could get by with a non-windows machine since I deal with a lot of windows only apps and Office docs have to be consistent.

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I've never used Photoshop (didn't want to pay that much for something I wasn't sure I would use), but did purchase a Corel Photo suite many years ago, when I still used Windows. I understand the learning curve associated with changing apps like this. I changed from Corel to GIMP. Windows to Linux. It is difficult to change - and change only for the sake of change is counter-productive.

GIMP is really lacking compared to Photoshop. I don't mean feature wise, though there are some things I'm missing, Photoshop is easier and more intuitive to handle. What I loathe the most with GIMP is that I have to manually resize the boundaries of layers, where in Photoshop they're boundless. It's really frustrating if you're cloning or drawing on a layer and suddenly hit the boundary, just because you moved it prior doing that.

would i be able to run the adobe cs3 suite via wine on ubuntu? if so then ill move over...

If you have some memory spare, use VirtualBox or VMware to run a lightweight Windows install (XP nLite or whatever) with Photoshop. At least VirtualBox supports the Fusion-like seamless desktop, I don't know about non-Mac VMware.

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Hows wubi in 8.04 working with vista is it automatic or do still need to manually edit bcd to add it and stuff ?

It's completely automatic.

I installed from within Vista SP1 and it went without a hitch.

You just do a really simple install, bootloader and everything are perfectly fine.

I even did an uninstall, and nothing bad happened (besides the fact Ubuntu is gone!)

When 8.04 final is released, I'm going to do a full dual-boot (re-partition and such).

I still have a lot of work and comparisons to do. For starters, I'm not sure if Ubuntu is the perfect Distro for me. I really liked it when I was playing with the beta, but I want to expand my horizons before deciding. Then I have to decide if KDE / Gnome is better.

So many choices is overwhelming at times :) But I suppose that's what is needed if you want the "best" computing experience for Linux. Too bad Linux constantly gets bit in the ass when drivers are proprietary. Makes things a huge pain when there are bugs in let's say the video drivers, and all the Linux community do is wait and pray Nvidia is working on it.

That's why I just wish Nvidia would create a standard and open-source their drivers. Within a year, I guarantee they would be a lot more stable if there were a flood of smart people working on them.

Drivers and also applications are what's a pain for Linux right now. There's just those applications which you have to say "Man, I need Windows for this." Things such as Visual Studio. I absolutely love VStudio.

Running in WINE isn't an option either, since as a games programmer I demand 110% out of the machine. Doing it through an emulation layer just isn't an option.

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Running in WINE isn't an option either, since as a games programmer I demand 110% out of the machine. Doing it through an emulation layer just isn't an option.

WINE Is Not an Emulator. :)

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But since you can't use x and y on linux what does everyone else do? On a typical day with your linux box.. what is it that you are doing? Do you just surf the net, hop on Neowin or are you productive in other ways?

On my pc at home I mostly browse the web, write mail, watch movies, listen music and play some games.

On the laptop I do web development (including flash, running on wine), some sound recording and sometimes watch movies when I'm not at home.

I also have installed linux on my company's laptop, which I'm using for coding, bash scripting, writing documentation, running several virtual machines to test stuff and last but not least, showing off at clients' :laugh:

I've to say though that since I'm using linux I spend much less time coding. On windows I used to code loads of little apps on my free time in order to do little tasks like merging two sub files and syncing that with the movie. Now I can't be bothered as most programs I need are just one emerge away, and others are just not needed anymore (eg. I can sync subs on the fly with mplayer).

It's more convenient, but on the other hand I sometimes kinda miss that :unsure:

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I'm looking forward to 8.04, as it should have general improvements over 7.10, hopefully work better with laptops, and maybe my wifi won't suffer from a "will it or won't want to connect" when I login. ATI still leaves a lot to be desired under Linux too (makes me wish I bought a lappy with an Nvidia chip instead).

I still use Vista for all my work on my lappy, but Ubuntu is pretty decent otherwise.

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I hate the lack of wireless support. I have to use ndiswrapper to get my wireless working perfectly.

My Ubuntu 7.10 also hangs for no apparent reason. I would leave it on overnight and wake up to find that it's frozen and completely unresponsive and I don't know why :|

Hopefully 8.04 can offer better stability. Also I'm looking forward to 8.10 as compiz support needs some serious work.

On a side note:

WINE 1.0 is targetting full Office 2003 and Photoshop CS2 support. So that should shut up a sizeable chunk of "But I can't get Office/Photoshop to work in Ubuntu!" people.

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Wireless works

Even on my machine that is using a D-link USB adapter, and Laptop using onboard wireless

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It'd be great if it included a feature where, say you rented or bought a dvd, and you put it in your pc, and it played the movie.

That'd be great!

I did post a link on how to do this.

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I did post a link on how to do this.

That's true, and you were very helpful and I thank you, sincerely.

But for everyone else, the first time users, it can be more of a pain. For example, if my Mom wanted to watch a dvd on her Ubuntu pc? Ubuntu cannot play dvd's out of the box.

From the telephone: "Ok Mom, remember that password I told you? Go to Administration, Synaptic. Now do a search, it's the tab that says 'search'..."

And that's just for simple codecs. What if my Mom needed a real workaround? She couldn't find "Google" if I didn't put the shortcut on her desktop.

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It'd be great if it included a feature where, say you rented or bought a dvd, and you put it in your pc, and it played the movie.

That'd be great!

Install the app VLC. I think ti can play DVDs out of the box. I always install it and use it over Totem, it also plays windows media files much better.

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Install the app VLC. I think ti can play DVDs out of the box. I always install it and use it over Totem, it also plays windows media files much better.

VLC is great in Windows, in Ubuntu, not so much. :/

Don't get me wrong, I really want Ubuntu to succeed. All I want Windows for is to play "Fall Out:3", or other games, I can do everything else in Ubuntu, I have no emotional attachment to Windows.

I'm just stating the trials and tribulation's from an Ubuntu newbie.

{Goes off to try to find a way to play my Simpson's Season Six mp4s (after I figure out how to log-in correctly without re-installing, como no)}

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I see. I have tried Gimp and think it is very nice.. there is just that conversion barrier I deal with. I've used photoshop for over 10 years and am used to the interface. I also have done searches for top programs for linux and have come up dry as far as the choices presented to me. Linux is an OS that should allow me to do more and open the spectrum for opportunity. I am sure there is a huge database of programs out there which are fenomenal. Just as you have mentioned some apps above, I have never heard of some of them and yet do not know where to find them. And believe me.. I search. The question may be.. where to look...

There is something called GimpShop to make you feel more at home with gimp. More of a "photoshoppish" look and feel.

So no more excuses, go and set yourself free. :D

atlef.

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VLC is great in Windows, in Ubuntu, not so much. :/

Don't get me wrong, I really want Ubuntu to succeed. All I want Windows for is to play "Fall Out:3", or other games, I can do everything else in Ubuntu, I have no emotional attachment to Windows.

I'm just stating the trials and tribulation's from an Ubuntu newbie.

{Goes off to try to find a way to play my Simpson's Season Six mp4s (after I figure out how to log-in correctly without re-installing, como no)}

Really? Hmm, I really haven't noticed a difference in VLC from one platform to the other.

I remember once having that "10 second" error... think I reformatted. If/when you do that, make a separate partition to mount your /home directory on so that if/when you ever need to reinstall, your personal stuff stays intact.

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That's true, and you were very helpful and I thank you, sincerely.

But for everyone else, the first time users, it can be more of a pain. For example, if my Mom wanted to watch a dvd on her Ubuntu pc? Ubuntu cannot play dvd's out of the box.

From the telephone: "Ok Mom, remember that password I told you? Go to Administration, Synaptic. Now do a search, it's the tab that says 'search'..."

And that's just for simple codecs. What if my Mom needed a real workaround? She couldn't find "Google" if I didn't put the shortcut on her desktop.

There is a version of Ubuntu called Ubuntu Studio which I think has all of that built in. http://ubuntustudio.org/

This is also another version called Mint. http://linuxmint.com/

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But for everyone else, the first time users, it can be more of a pain. For example, if my Mom wanted to watch a dvd on her Ubuntu pc? Ubuntu cannot play dvd's out of the box.

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Meh. Even some versions of Vista don't play DVDs out of the box. I know the version that came with my son's PC we bought last year did not.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...er/plugins.aspx

But configuring (a nice word for "administering") a Linux box is going to be unfamiliar to many at first. Heck, administering a Windows box is too much of many people (including my mother-in-law and such).

However, this example of DVD playback is something that can be set up on either OS, then is a non-issue from that point forward.

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That's true, and you were very helpful and I thank you, sincerely.

But for everyone else, the first time users, it can be more of a pain. For example, if my Mom wanted to watch a dvd on her Ubuntu pc? Ubuntu cannot play dvd's out of the box.

From the telephone: "Ok Mom, remember that password I told you? Go to Administration, Synaptic. Now do a search, it's the tab that says 'search'..."

And that's just for simple codecs. What if my Mom needed a real workaround? She couldn't find "Google" if I didn't put the shortcut on her desktop.

Why not use the Add/Remove app? Type in DVD in the search bar and install?

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Really looking forward to the release. I'm still pondering whether I should upgrade or reinstall. I have a separate home partition anyway, so most of my settings should be safe, right?

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I tried the release candidate a few days ago and I had so much trouble with 8.04. I couldn't finish the upgrade and had to burn a disc to start from scratch. Once I did that, I had trouble trying to get Hardy Heron to recognize my ATI video card. I try manually re-installing the fglrx drivers through synpatics and I couldn't get it to work. Eventually out of frustration I went back to Gutsy. So I'm going to wait until the final release comes out on Thursday. Hopefully I'll have better luck. :)

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