JonathanVP Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 well...it only shows how difficult it is to program the CELL processor especially for a game as complex as HOME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 22, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted April 22, 2008 I don't care about Home specifically being delayed. I'm just sick of everything getting delayed. Barely anything so far has been released when it was originally slated to be released. Welcome to modern day gaming :rofl: Where the media/hype/journalism builds your anticipation to fever levels, then the developers/creators slam you back down to earth with one announcement... The amount of rumours we see nowadays don't help either. well...it only shows how difficult it is to program the CELL processor especially for a game as complex as HOME a) Home isn't a game b) The technical side of Home is pretty much working fine from what the non-testers have seen. Graphics/Physics engine is in place. The Networking side may need work, but that's not got much to do with developing Home as it has beefing up the infrastructure it runs on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troist Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Home has been in development for 3 years (since early 2005) and they still haven't even managed a public beta yet? Halo 2 was made in less time! You can say they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, but being this slow at development is just pathetic. Sony really are good at letting us down :( Luckily I'm not looking forward to Home too much, but hopefully they'll release in-game XMB before Home now which is what I'm interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted April 22, 2008 Veteran Share Posted April 22, 2008 I don't think Home is a big deal to anyone anyways... (consumer side). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 22, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Home has been in development for 3 years (since early 2005) and they still haven't even managed a public beta yet? Halo 2 was made in less time! You can say they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, but being this slow at development is just pathetic. Sony really are good at letting us down :( Luckily I'm not looking forward to Home too much, but hopefully they'll release in-game XMB before Home now which is what I'm interested in. How does Halo 2's development time have anything to do with Home? Making a large expansive social network like this, has far more planning and sorting out to do to get execution right than developing a game. This is the first time something like this has been delivered on a console, Live did not take a year or two to perfect either did it? Not to mention Sony are pretty much "newbies" to delivering an online network on a console (PS2 online was about as good as the Wii's). With the amount of time/money and resources probably being poured into this, it has to deliver to far higher standards than one video game does. A video game can flop, developers can move on and try again. Sony can't afford for Home to go down the pan. The PS3 has been out for just over a year, if Sony stick to their 10 year plan (or for examples sake let's just say go as long as the current PS2) there is another 6-9 years for Home to be experienced and flourish. Then as I said, expect Home to be an integral part of the PS brand, and we'll no doubt see it with the PS4 in a similar fashion (3D world), or a currently unknown expanded fashion. I think a lot of you are very naive about the development of this and how perfectly it has to be executed, rolled out and supported... Edited April 22, 2008 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 So you all rather have a subpar and unstable product than wait...???This is normal, i wouldn't be surprised if after this delay the final product still was buggy and unfinished..., the scope is pretty big and they have never done anything like it. I would agree with you, if we were talking about the final product. They're talking about delaying the open BETA, which they can't much get assailed for having bugs because it's a beta. The point of a BETA is so that people can test it and make it stable and non-buggy. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVP Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Welcome to modern day gaming :rofl:Where the media/hype/journalism builds your anticipation to fever levels, then the developers/creators slam you back down to earth with one announcement... The amount of rumours we see nowadays don't help either. a) Home isn't a game b) The technical side of Home is pretty much working fine from what the non-testers have seen. Graphics/Physics engine is in place. The Networking side may need work, but that's not got much to do with developing Home as it has beefing up the infrastructure it runs on. Home not a game? Well, I guess it shouldn't be in the GAME Developer Conference nor the Tokyo GAME show? Game or not, its a complicated piece of software written for a multi-core processor so I expect delays. Also, I honestly doubt that the Graphics/Physics engine is in place and is solid. Unless you are a beta tester that can vouch for that, I do not believe you. The Graphics/Physics engine will always be tweaked and would never be finalized (beta) until final release. Also, one would think that the infrastructure (networking) would be in place first before the game is released, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 22, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted April 22, 2008 Home not a game? Well, I guess it shouldn't be in the GAME Developer Conference nor the Tokyo GAME show? Game or not, its a complicated piece of software written for a multi-core processor so I expect delays. Also, I honestly doubt that the Graphics/Physics engine is in place and is solid. Unless you are a beta tester that can vouch for that, I do not believe you. The Graphics/Physics engine will always be tweaked and would never be finalized (beta) until final release. Also, one would think that the infrastructure (networking) would be in place first before the game is released, yes? No need to be smart, it's not a game by typical gaming standards. You know exactly what I mean. It shares elements that a game has, like textures and lighting, duh, but Home itself is more of an application with a fancy GUI than a game. The graphics and physics seem pretty solid to me from anyone of the hundred beta videos - Of course not finalized and will still be tweaked, but they're hardly the part of Home that will be getting most of the resources just now. What I meant about the infrastructure is it will be one of the main areas of focus right now, more so than the graphics engine - Home hasn't had any huge stress tests as of yet, and there are reports of lag during the closed beta, when there isn't even that many people onscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger.Girl Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Do gamers really give a rats ass about a glorified Second Life? Will it really sell more consoles? I could only imagine how great the PS3 could be if they stuck half the time and money into improving the firmware. Seems to me that Sony has lost touch with gamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY:G Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Home not a game? Well, I guess it shouldn't be in the GAME Developer Conference nor the Tokyo GAME show? Game or not, its a complicated piece of software written for a multi-core processor so I expect delays. Also, I honestly doubt that the Graphics/Physics engine is in place and is solid. Unless you are a beta tester that can vouch for that, I do not believe you. The Graphics/Physics engine will always be tweaked and would never be finalized (beta) until final release. Also, one would think that the infrastructure (networking) would be in place first before the game is released, yes? Im pretty sure the graphics part of it its done, like Audioboxer said they are probably working on the code that delivers all the advertising etc to the world, they are probably working on how to change ads/videos/etc in-the-fly, like lets say an advertiser only paid for a poster to be displayed from 1:00 pm to 3:00pm, they need the ability to change it without people leaving home. All that netcode isn't easy, and again, Sony has never done anything like this. Maybe through the beta they discovered a lot of issues that cant be resolved easily..., there is so much going on in Home that a million things that could have delayed a widespread release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 22, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Do gamers really give a rats ass about a glorified Second Life? Will it really sell more consoles? I could only imagine how great the PS3 could be if they stuck half the time and money into improving the firmware. Seems to me that Sony has lost touch with gamers. Why do silly people make silly comments like this so often? If you really don't care as much as your tone suggests, go do something more productive with your time rather than visiting topics on Home, the thing you apparently dislike with a passion. It's downright in your face obvious people care about Home - Go visit the playstation boards, or even here on NW, where anticipation and want can reach fever pitch you drop the rumour of an open beta... or like this topic, you see genuine disappoint Home won't be coming sooner rather than later. And no im not trying to sanction criticism, there has been perfectly worthwhile posts of criticism before the "glorified second life!!11" remarks we see from time to time. Sony has one dedicated studio in Liverpool working on Home, so you're pretty naive if you think it's affecting firmware. Different parts of your company work on different things. As for my overall opinion on Sony's firmware record, it's pretty damn good if you ask me. No XMB-In Game isn't in yet, but the PS3 of November 06/March 07 (depending on where you live), is pretty different than todays on the firmware and features front. Do I want to see more, of course, but I realize 2008, only the second year the PS3 has been alive, will bring together a lot of the things we still want to see. Edited April 22, 2008 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dc'1 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I know it would be buggy, but I still want it released if they say its going to be released a year earlier... A year is just too far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowRanger13 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Only thing I was looking forward about home was there for achievements. Give me in game XMB with voice messing and I'll be happy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY:G Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I don't really care about the delay, since the only reason i want to try Home is to see how good it really is at what it is supposed to be: "an online community", it could be the best next thing to console gaming social interaction or just a clunky way at communicating with friends. I'm really hoping the integration makes it the former..., when i see all those videos about home the possibilities are endless... but i also realize that it could be very cumbersome to do even simple tasks... So its more curiosity on my part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger.Girl Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 snip I care because I own a PS3 and am frustrated by the lack of offerings, you are correct that I do not care about Home. I know the same people don't work on the same project but they are not doing charity work either. I feel the money they have made from me and others that could be invested in further enriching the experience is being wasted on a huge gimmick. ....just a clunky way at communicating with friends... Is exactly how I feel about it. Why cant Sony just take some hints about how Microsoft handels achievements, messaging, ect. on Xbox Live? Heck they threw in the gimmicky motion sensing technology last minute just to try to rival the Wii, why cant they learn from Live? If the feel they can improve upon it they should do so but, doing it in a "Second Life" environment is terribly inefficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popisdead uk Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Is exactly how I feel about it. Why cant Sony just take some hints about how Microsoft handels achievements, messaging, ect. on Xbox Live? Heck they threw in the gimmicky motion sensing technology last minute just to try to rival the Wii, why cant they learn from Live? If the feel they can improve upon it they should do so but, doing it in a "Second Life" environment is terribly inefficient. Sony have, and the next firmware will introduce some new network features, in game XMB being one of them. Why people keep comparing a 5 year old service to an 18 month old service I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 No need to be smart, it's not a game by typical gaming standards. You know exactly what I mean.It shares elements that a game has, like textures and lighting, duh, but Home itself is more of an application with a fancy GUI than a game. The graphics and physics seem pretty solid to me from anyone of the hundred beta videos - Of course not finalized and will still be tweaked, but they're hardly the part of Home that will be getting most of the resources just now. What I meant about the infrastructure is it will be one of the main areas of focus right now, more so than the graphics engine - Home hasn't had any huge stress tests as of yet, and there are reports of lag during the closed beta, when there isn't even that many people onscreen. I think it's a game by every standard. It will have physics, it will have graphics and it will need hell lot of work on the netcode. Only thing different from games is probably lack of AI. We can argue that it is an "application" and not a "game" but that is pointless IMO. Let's say it the classic way, Every game is an application, but not every application is a game. :p Therefore programming for home shouldn't be much different from a game. And to consider OP's point about difficulty in programming Cell, I think it's a dead horse beaten so often...not worth even starting on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger.Girl Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Why people keep comparing a 5 year old service to an 18 month old service I'll never know. Why not? Live will alway be older. When does it become ok to compare them, will it be acceptable if PlayStation never lives up to xbox live just because Microsoft had "time"? PlayStation has been out since 95 so technically they have had more time. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Sony have, and the next firmware will introduce some new network features, in game XMB being one of them.Why people keep comparing a 5 year old service to an 18 month old service I'll never know. Hasn't ingame XMB been promised on every next FW for ages but never comes? Also, Sony service isn't exactly 18 months old, they did start online on the PS2 as well and there would be the development time added on top of that. Why am I not surprised that its delayed, just another promise Sony has made before the launch but failed to keep! Lets hope for people who really want it that it dosen't get delayed further! Also, I really don't know why Sony aren't fixing the basics of their Online first before introducing all this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoL Veteran Posted April 22, 2008 Veteran Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hasn't ingame XMB been promised on every next FW for ages but never comes?Also, Sony service isn't exactly 18 months old, they did start online on the PS2 as well and there would be the development time added on top of that. Why am I not surprised that its delayed, just another promise Sony has made before the launch but failed to keep! Lets hope for people who really want it that it dosen't get delayed further! Also, I really don't know why Sony aren't fixing the basics of their Online first before introducing all this! No They said its coming but never announced when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.KICK Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 NoThey said its coming but never announced when. My mistake, I thought it was promised for FW 2.00 and each FW after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troist Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Sony have, and the next firmware will introduce some new network features, in game XMB being one of them.Why people keep comparing a 5 year old service to an 18 month old service I'll never know. Because both of those services are competing? Just because live is older doesn't mean it can't be compared to PS online. Thats like saying "The iPod is way older than the Zune, you can't compare them!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Ninja Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 My mistake, I thought it was promised for FW 2.00 and each FW after that. No the only time in-game XMB has been confirmed is for FW 2.40 which will be out this summer (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 In the end, good things take time. Just like cheese. MGS, MGO and GTA and others will keep people happy in the mean time :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Ninja Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 In the end, good things take time. Just like cheese. MGS, MGO and GTA and others will keep people happy in the mean time :) Agreed (Y) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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