+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted August 31, 2008 I pay for Neowin... <-- points at name You don't pay, you donated. There's a difference between mandatory paying for something, and choosing to help out by donating :) Jay R. is pretty much correct, but we're dealing with humans here, not machines. What I said above, Things can be questioned, it's just how you go about it that matters.Be respectful and calm, and you'll potentially get somewhere - Not always but, some things ARE just unquestionable. However chuck your toys out your pram and act like a baby, and you'll potentially only worsen things. Couldn't be any more true. I've got a fair bit of experience in regards to the above, from various moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPressland Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I still think if you chose to help out Neowin you should get a slightly less strict rules set, or at least let me change my name to Asphyxia8489... seriously, thats all I ask :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted August 31, 2008 I still think if you chose to help out Neowin you should get a slightly less strict rules set, or at least let me change my name to Asphyxia8489... seriously, thats all I ask :D Ask the mods about a name change, I'm sure they'll take a look for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb0b Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I got warned for correcting some one in the wrong :)! This thread wont get anywhere though... There are blind eyes turned on almost every single forum here, just deal with it and enjoy the community :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJenkins Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 just deal with it and enjoy the community :rolleyes: That's not possible when members post in fear, afraid that anything they say will be taken the wrong way and they are banned/restricted and unable to re-register. It just seems there is a culture of Have's, and the Have-not's, where the Have-not's have 1 or 2 black marks on their name and are branded as "trouble makers" (for 2.5+ years it seems) until they are eventually banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 That's not possible when members post in fear Oh please, what's with this dramatisation just because some of you got a warning? Just respect each other and mind your attitude, then you won't have to "Post in fear" :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted August 31, 2008 However, we did realize that it is fundamentally incompatible with our "no dirty laundry" policy. We do not want to diminish the reputations of even our banned members. That means, we are at a disadvantage when they go around spreading their version of the truth. I can only hope that people realize that there is more to their story. This comes to mind. Discussing your warnings in public is just daft IMO. Keep them between you and moderation - That is your goal anyway is it not? To discuss things with the people who enforce the rules/warned you in the first place? No need to try and discuss them with the community, unless of course your goal is to try and stir things/start a forum war :whistle: Which is one of the things that can get you further warned and/or banned (making too much public)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJenkins Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Oh please, what's with this dramatisation just because some of you got a warning? Just respect each other and mind your attitude, then you won't have to "Post in fear" :rolleyes: I'm just saying, I would like to enjoy the community but the restrictive rules and uneven moderation make that impossible. Like I said I post on SA, a board I paid $10 for the privilege to post at and they ban people left and right for total BS reason...yet I feel more restricted here. That's a problem and I don't think any of the Ivory Tower types around here care to address it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis187 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Unlikely, I've been a member of SA for 7 years and have been probated once, and they BAN people there for merely posting in the wrong thread. Here is ridiculous, between the thin-skinned members and uneven moderation this place comes off like a nazi gulag. It's a constant walking-on-eggshells routine around here of worrying if even the most light-hearted or innocent, throw away comment will be seen by the kommandants around here as the most evil and hurtful comment ever typed on a keyboard and I'll be throw in the box.The problem here is there is no system for regular users to see if someone has been disciplined or not for their actions. I can get a warning/ban for "trolling", yet another user in the same thread, as far as we can tell, gets away with doing the same type of thing. That creates an environment where the moderation is seen as uneven or unfairly applied. Also, it seems that mods/supervisors can break all the rules they wish...then punish others for doing what they're doing. can't be that bad, they allow you to compare them to nazi gulags, call them kommandants, ivory towers lol and write all the things you write in RWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJenkins Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 This comes to mind.Discussing your warnings in public is just daft IMO. Keep them between you and moderation - That is your goal anyway is it not? To discuss things with the people who enforce the rules/warned you in the first place? No need to try and discuss them with the community, unless of course your goal is to try and stir things/start a forum war :whistle: Because higher ups will give you a dismissive attitude and give the canned "PM a mod/supe" line whenever you feel unfairly singled out by moderation. I can tell you from experience PM'ing a mod or supe does nothing because in their minds they've already decided you deserve whatever you've been dealt and subtly mock you for daring to challenge it....so you come here to SITE AND FORUM ISSUES forum, which most rational people would think is used to discuss SITE AND FORUM ISSUES, including the moderation...but then you get warned for daring to question the infallible ones and their perfect decision making abilities. can't be that bad, they allow you to compare them to nazi gulags, call them kommandants, ivory towers lol and write all the things you write in RWI. Not anymore, despite the fact that you're the biggest troll in RWI, I got restricted from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zape Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 You don't pay, you donated. Maybe to you, but to another member he might want to pay for those extra features (blog, personal section, badge, etc) You are PAYING for those features (Because if you dont "donate", you can never get them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted August 31, 2008 Because higher ups will give you a dismissive attitude and give the canned "PM a mod/supe" line whenever you feel unfairly singled out by moderation. I can tell you from experience PM'ing a mod or supe does nothing because in their minds they've already decided you deserve whatever you've been dealt and subtly mock you for daring to challenge it....so you come here to SITE AND FORUM ISSUES forum, which most rational people would think is used to discuss SITE AND FORUM ISSUES, including the moderation...but then you get warned for daring to question the infallible ones and their perfect decision making abilities. Funny that. I was handed a warning once from a global moderator that was overturned by a Super. You know partly why it happened? I kept the issue private, I was respectful and I didn't run around mocking all of moderation by saying "Because higher ups will give you a dismissive attitude and give the canned "PM a mod/supe" line whenever you feel unfairly singled out by moderation". Everyone is moderation is unique, you don't get along with a specific person, PM another person. You disagree with one view, maybe try asking someone else for a viewpoint. However if it's your attitude that's the brick wall, just about every mod will probably react the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPressland Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Maybe to you, but to another member he might want to pay for those extra features (blog, personal section, badge, etc)You are PAYING for those features (Because if you dont "donate", you can never get them) Nice.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb0b Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 That's not possible when members post in fear, afraid that anything they say will be taken the wrong way and they are banned/restricted and unable to re-register. It just seems there is a culture of Have's, and the Have-not's, where the Have-not's have 1 or 2 black marks on their name and are branded as "trouble makers" (for 2.5+ years it seems) until they are eventually banned. First thing that came to my mind was your sig.... Should take that into context when reading my previous post :)! Believe me, I'm with u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 31, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted August 31, 2008 Maybe to you, but to another member he might want to pay for those extra features (blog, personal section, badge, etc)You are PAYING for those features (Because if you dont "donate", you can never get them) Uh yeah, and as far as I can see he has access to them... And if he doesn't have access to something, well tough, that might just come along with being warned. Just because you donated, doesn't mean you're going to be given free passes. Example: I'm sure if I donated, then used my blog as a method of spreading porn, I'd have blog rights taken away at least, if not warned and banned. For rule breaking actions, there are consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPressland Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I dont need to spam porn via a Neowin Blog, I have my own website asphyxia8489.net/blog/ to do that if I wanted, not to mention I actually run Porn sites :D But I do understand where you're coming from and do agree with you. I donated simply because I liked Neowin, no other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zape Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Uh yeah, and as far as I can see he has access to them...And if he doesn't have access to something, well tough, that might just come along with being warned. Just because you donated, doesn't mean you're going to be given free passes. Example: I'm sure if I donated, then used my blog as a method of spreading porn, I'd have blog rights taken away at least, if not warned and banned. For rule breaking actions, there are consequences. There is a saying that goes: "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJenkins Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Everyone is moderation is unique, you don't get along with a specific person, PM another person. You disagree with one view, maybe try asking someone else for a viewpoint. It doesn't matter who you ask, mods, supervisors it doesn't matter. Hell one of the supervisors runs around RWI trolling everyone...they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinteger Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Heh, back on topic from the staff-hate, does this also mean that warnings are not going to be shown as it was posted in the announcements forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rappy Veteran Posted September 1, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 1, 2008 Heh, back on topic from the staff-hate, does this also mean that warnings are not going to be shown as it was posted in the announcements forum? I think thats what this is about, privacy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offroadaaron Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 20% every six months, it sucks, my warning level is 100% and I really want to change my username but it'll take 2.5 years before I can.Most of my warnings were for fairly small things :( Tempting to just make a new account :D Yeah, Just the other week I got warned for something pretty **** weak. Wrote to the Admin to discuss it but no go, seems like the rules are different for different people and/or just really badly outlined. Also people from different countries take things differently i've found. In my warning I said pretty much the same as what I did in another thread, mods on the first one warned me, 2 days later I posted the same thing and the second one didn't even get a look at, no delete or nothing (and mods even posted in that thread after). I think there should be a thread in here naming the people banned and what for, its not doing the dirty on them.... I mean all the mods can see why can't the users (we are both just people), I'd like to know what people are getting in trouble for because I don't even know why I got warned, least then I know what you people are looking out for, seeing as the rules are not that specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corris Veteran Posted September 1, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 1, 2008 Oh please, what's with this dramatisation just because some of you got a warning? Just respect each other and mind your attitude, then you won't have to "Post in fear" :rolleyes: +1 It isn't hard to not be rude to one another, just think before you post. The forum is run and owned by Neobond & co. This isn't a democracy, its their forum, they make the rules, follow them or leave, its not that hard to understand. And things can be taken back if a mistake happens. As for paying, you donate and get "extras" because of it, but your still just like every other member following all the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadishTM Veteran Posted September 1, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 1, 2008 +1It isn't hard to not be rude to one another, just think before you post. The forum is run and owned by Neobond & co. This isn't a democracy, its their forum, they make the rules, follow them or leave, its not that hard to understand. And things can be taken back if a mistake happens. As for paying, you donate and get "extras" because of it, but your still just like every other member following all the same rules. QFT (Y) Radish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badtz-Maru Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 2.5 years to go down from 100%? That's retarded.Most of my warnings were for fairly small things Same here. Way to assume. :rolleyes: Just because I think a policy is a bad one, that means I have a bad attitude? You might want to ditch that extra chromosome. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Thieves Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 This will end badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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