Evolution Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 While MinWin may be in Windows 7, I'm not sure if it's complete.... and that all the indirect processes have been made to direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralDogma Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 MinWin is more an effort and set of principles than some tangible thing. You know, there was a news article a while ago saying exactly that. Looks like most people missed it(this article's author included). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_here Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 MinWin is more an effort and set of principles than some tangible thing. In that case I hope to see more of that "effort" in subsequent Windows release :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 hmm... so when you take Windows 7, strip it down to the kernel, and then strip it down some more, you get MinWin? Am I understanding it right? Then when I take Windows Vista, strip it down to the kernel (which should be about the same as the Windows 7 kernel, according to Microsoft), and then strip it down some more, I can get MinWin too? Then how about XP, if I take it, strip it down to the kernel, strip it down some more, do I get MinWin too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ^ No you just get a "scaled down version" of XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Here's a crazy idea, try reading the article.Once again, MinWin is not the NT kernel, it's just built on it. Also it has not been included in any Windows release in the past. Not Vista and certainly not every version of NT ever released. Hmm... I have read the article, and to me it seems MinWin is NOT built on NT kernel. Instead it's NT kernel minus all the parts that have external dependencies. that means MinWin is actually a subset of the NT kernel, that's why the author says MinWin is in Windows 7. But if we go with what the author says, then since Windows 7 will have about the same kernel as Windows Vista according to Microsoft, and MinWin being a subset of the kernel, that surely means MinWin is in Vista too. That's basic syllogism. According to the article, MinWin is in the kernel (or rather, the part of the kernel that minus all the external dependencies), the kernel is in Windows 7, so MinWin is in Windows 7. Then since Vista's kernel is same as Windows 7's kernel, so MinWin is in Vista too. Assuming the article is correct that is. Or here's a crazy idea, are you even reading the same article as us? ^ No you just get a "scaled down version" of XP ^ Which may be the exact same codebase as when you get MinWin from "scaling down" Windows 7? At least that's what I get from what the article is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ^ Hey guys... I know big words. :no: FAIL Always gotta be one know it all. OK genius... get me MinWin from XP. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 (edited) ^ Hey guys... I know big words. :no: FAIL ^ Yea, the big words, YOU FAIL :no: :rofl: Always gotta be one know it all. Or you are dreaming and hallucinating something that's called ?one know it all:D? :D OK genius... get me MinWin from :whistle:tle: GO ask that to the author of that article, he's the "genius" that you are hallucinating and worshipp:whistle:t:rofl:ofl: Edited November 4, 2008 by wellofsouls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 My understanding was in the earlier stages was, Minwin was being used to cut down the size of the kernel. Vista was some 15,000 files @ about 5GB, a huge fat monster hence all the issues. Eweek mag (at the time) boasted that minwin was about 100+ files @ about 125MB. (from top of my memory.) This can still be the NT kernel but smaller and more agile. perhaps you have to go back several steps to move ahead alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ^ Yea, the big words, YOU FAIL :no::rofl: Or you are dreaming and hallucinating something that's called ?one know it all:D? :D go ask that to the author of that article, he's the "genius" that you are hallucinating and worshipp:whistle:t:rofl:ofl: No... you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Does this explain why Windows 7 is able to run on the Eee PC when Vista cannot?Windows 7 keeps getting better and better every day. Serious? Got a source for that? I know it's been rumoured, but man that'll kick butt if true! Also means I wont need a bajillion gigabytes of ram to run it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No... you missed the point. of course, i missed your FAILED point. :rofl: or, you are the one who missed the point here, go read the article :whistle: No... you missed your own point :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulltrail-old Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 MinWin is just the 'barebones' of the Windows operating system. Sounds good. This just makes me even more anxious for Windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 of course, i missed your FAILED point. :rofl:or, you are the one who missed the point here, go read the article :whistle: I did read it. Hence my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I did read it. Hence my comment. No you didn't. Hence your comment. :rofl: And my comment at you :laugh: OR you FAIL at reading the article :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ignorance is bliss i guess. Show me some facts for your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ignorance is bliss i guess. Show me some facts for your argument? Ignorance is bliss i guess. Here's a crazy idea, try reading the article. :rofl: And this post. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...#entry590071002 Here's another crazy idea, how about replying people's posts properly, instead of empty nonsense and hallucinations "FAIL", "one knows it all", "you missed the point", blah blah :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 How about having some intelligence and quit posting crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DClark Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Serious? Got a source for that? I know it's been rumoured, but man that'll kick butt if true!Also means I wont need a bajillion gigabytes of ram to run it ;) I don't know about Eee PCs, but I do have Vista and Windows 7 Build 6801 running on an Atom processor, and Windows 7 is runnig a crapload better (more responsive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 How about having some intelligence and quit posting crap? yea, right on, YOU should really have some intelligence and quit posting crap. :rofl: Hence my comment to you :D Or a better idea, from the article MinWin is the core of Windows, but it is not the same as Windows Server Core. If you could ?cut? Windows and shuffle around some application programming interfaces (APIs) so that it would be a standalone, bootable, testable mini OS, MinWin is what it would look like. It?s the heart of Windows, organized in a way so that none of the included parts has any dependencies on anything outside of MinWin. Did he say Windows 7? Or Vista? Or XP? He's saying you can get MinWin out of Windows. Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waruikoohii Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 How is it, that with all of the information we have on MinWin, there is still so much confusion about it? Over half of the people posting in this thread don't know what it is. MinWin is the NT kernel, with just the neccessary higher level items for TCP/IP and a very simple web server. MinWin has, mostly, been included in NT since the beginning, although MinWin is more up to date as it is a fork off of the Vista/Win7 kernel. So to be specific, MinWin isn't anything special. It was a project undertaken at Microsoft to learn how to best move dependancies around so that API's only call down, not up (since if there is a dependancy for a low level component somewhere higher up in the stack, then you can't remove that higher level component. Thus, to make Windows truely modular, you need to move dependancies around so that they never require something higher up). That's it. It's a cool project, yes, and it'll be important, but it's not a magical thing that people make it out to be. And yes, all of that is talked about in the video on Channel 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ^ yea, and that's what I get from MinWin is the core of Windows, but it is not the same as Windows Server Core. If you could ?cut? Windows and shuffle around some application programming interfaces (APIs) so that it would be a standalone, bootable, testable mini OS, MinWin is what it would look like. It?s the heart of Windows, organized in a way so that none of the included parts has any dependencies on anything outside of MinWin. so you can basically get MinWin out of any Windows, if that article is correct, whether it's "scaled down Windows 7" or "scaled down Vista" or "scaled down XP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiqHead Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No you can't get MinWin out of any MS OS. Once again.. it is a few select MS OS's. Give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I don't know about Eee PCs, but I do have Vista and Windows 7 Build 6801 running on an Atom processor, and Windows 7 is runnig a crapload better (more responsive). Great! I'm looking forward to seeing that then! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 4, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 4, 2008 No you can't get MinWin out of any MS OS. Once again.. it is a few select MS OS's. Give it a rest. Are you saying you can't install MinWin on a computer in and of itself? What is the point of it? I just don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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