Microsoft confirms MinWin is in Windows 7, after all


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No you can't get MinWin out of any MS OS. Once again.. it is a few select MS OS's. Give it a rest.

Where in the article do you get the "a few select MS OS's" part? and what are the "a few select MS OS's"? from your hallucinations I'm sure :rofl:

You are the one who's blabbering nonsense craps here, and surely YOU should give it a rest. And try reading the article :rofl:

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It makes me wonder if Microsoft never mentioned Vista or released it and continued to develop it until it became Windows 7. How would people feel about that?

We'd still be on XP and there is no way Windows 7 would live to the hype of an OS that took nearly 10 years in the making by the time it does get released. I for one have been happy with Vista and my computing experience with it and Win7 builds on Vista so deal with it.

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Amazing how u can get a rise out of people... ;)

Just a little test.

Sure, just a little test from your hallucinations, along with all those "amazing", "FAIL", "a rise out of people", blah blah nonsense craps :rofl:

How about quit playing chicken and enlighten us what your "a few select MS OS's" are, Windows 7? Vista? XP? :rofl:

Amazing chicken you are playing here with your "a little test" nonsense craps. :laugh:

So now i'm bored.. have a good night!

LOL good riddance. one less FAIL troll and chicken :rofl:

Just keep hallucinating with your "I'm bored" and "good night" nonsense craps :laugh:

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Ok... now u are talking ****. I asked for proof- u couldn't prove it. Except for attacking me. STFU or rise up!

Oh, so you snapped back from your "good night" hallucinations I see :rofl:

You are the one who's attacking people here. But of course your hallucination has twisted it to victimize yourself, good chicken :rofl:

proof of what? try reading the article, or the part I have quoted MULTIPLE times here already

MinWin is the core of Windows, but it is not the same as Windows Server Core. If you could ?cut? Windows and shuffle around some application programming interfaces (APIs) so that it would be a standalone, bootable, testable mini OS, MinWin is what it would look like. It?s the heart of Windows, organized in a way so that none of the included parts has any dependencies on anything outside of MinWin.

Unfortunately you are too blind to see it, and keep doing your "asked for proof", "FAIL", "one knows it all", "u couldn't prove it", blah blah craps here. Sad.

So now what "a few select MS OS's" you are talking about? you "the one knows it all" "Genius" here? you are just blabbering nonsense and playing chicken here, and blaming everything to others, just like an Amazing troll and ch:rofl::rofl:

Yea, just keep hallucinating those "u couldn't prove it", "STFU and rise up" nonsense craps, you are too blind to not to afte:laugh:laugh:

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MS should have never told people about minwin, now everyone thinks they want it. Its not something you can get, it wouldn't do anything by itself. It would be like telling people you run the linux kernel and nothing else. Sure its running, but it can't do anything useful by itself.

Minwin wouldn't make your computer faster, I wouldn't say there has ever been a speed problem with the NT kernel. Like others have said, it was a project to look into the possibility of moving dependencies around. The bloat in windows comes after the kernel (and MS have said they are working to reduce the number of services and included apps (the bloat)).

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Oh, so you snapped back from your "good night" hallucinations I see :rofl:

You are the one who's attacking people here. But of course your hallucination has twisted it to victimize yourself, good chicken :rofl:

proof of what? try reading the article, or the part I have quoted MULTIPLE times here already

Unfortunately you are too blind to see it, ans keep doing your "asked for proof", "FAIL", "one knows it all" craps here.

So now what "a few select MS OS's" you are talking about? you "the one knows it all" "Genius" here? you are just blabbering nonsense and playing chicken here, and blaming everything to others, just like an Amazing troll and chicken :rofl:

No.. does it say which Windows version can enable it? NO. Now STFU.

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Google?

Try reading the article? :rofl:

But what actually is this MinWin, could anyone elaborate in short please?

from the article :

MinWin is the core of Windows, but it is not the same as Windows Server Core. If you could ?cut? Windows and shuffle around some application programming interfaces (APIs) so that it would be a standalone, bootable, testable mini OS, MinWin is what it would look like. It?s the heart of Windows, organized in a way so that none of the included parts has any dependencies on anything outside of MinWin.

from a post here :

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...#entry590071142

No.. does it say which Windows version can enable it? NO. Now STFU.

No.. does it say which "a few select MS OS's" can enable it? Does it even mention the words "a few select MS OS's"? NO. Now:rofl::rofl:

Or keep hallucinating about "STFU", you FAIL "one know it all" "Google" "Genius&:laugh:laugh:

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You are a real treat... Enough. Gimme some real results and then my opinion may change. Otherwise that's enough!

You are a real chicken and troll... and obviously that's not Enough yet, with all your hallucinations about "real treat", "a little test", "good night", "that's enough", blah blah nonsense craps :rofl:

Gimme some real results of "a select few MS OS's" and then my opinion may change. Otherwise your hallucinations are surely not enough! Who cares about your hallucinated "opinion" anyway, we are talking about the article here! :laugh:

And try reading the article, not "Google", FAIL "one know it all" "Genius" :rofl:

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This thread has taken a turn for the worse, mostly by people who have no idea what they're talking about. Sigh. Maybe I need to find a new community where I can go to a thread and expect a coherent technical discussion of a topic. Neowin seems to be getting worse in this regard every day. You people are turning it into digg.

But what actually is this MinWin, could anyone elaborate in short please?

Basically, as I understand it, it's a project in which Microsoft guts the NT kernel and starts playing around with how the various parts depend on each other. The goal is to clean up the web of interdependence, and make the entire thing more modular. That's all it is. It's not some magical "We can shrink the NT kernel to 10% of its current resource usage!" or anything like that. It's just about flushing out dependencies.

And to the people who asked if you could strip down your current copy of Windows and get MinWin: No. Not unless you have access to the Windows source code, and a very large number of manhours to do exactly what Microsoft is doing.

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Basically, as I understand it, it's a project in which Microsoft guts the NT kernel and starts playing around with how the various parts depend on each other. The goal is to clean up the web of interdependence, and make the entire thing more modular. That's all it is. It's not some magical "We can shrink the NT kernel to 10% of its current resource usage!" or anything like that. It's just about flushing out dependencies.
But would I be correct in thinking that MinWin would help reduce the BSoD's?

I mean: Prior to Vista, if the graphics driver crashed, say hello to a BSoD. If I'm not mistaken, this was because the kernel was dependant on the graphics driver, so if that crashed, you were in fact SOL and JWF.

But with Vista, to a certain degree, the graphics driver can recover.

So unless something went SERIOUSLY wrong, wouldn't in fact the lack of dependencies upwards mean that if higher level stuff crashes, it shouldn't take the entire OS down with it?

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This thread has taken a turn for the worse, mostly by people who have no idea what they're talking about. Sigh. Maybe I need to find a new community where I can go to a thread and expect a coherent technical discussion of a topic. Neowin seems to be getting worse in this regard every day. You people are turning it into digg.

Basically, as I understand it, it's a project in which Microsoft guts the NT kernel and starts playing around with how the various parts depend on each other. The goal is to clean up the web of interdependence, and make the entire thing more modular. That's all it is. It's not some magical "We can shrink the NT kernel to 10% of its current resource usage!" or anything like that. It's just about flushing out dependencies.

And to the people who asked if you could strip down your current copy of Windows and get MinWin: No. Not unless you have access to the Windows source code, and a very large number of manhours to do exactly what Microsoft is doing.

lol ,well if you find this magical land of logic and knowledge then tell me and i'll come to. but i doubt such a place exists on the internet ;) not that i know anything but it would be nice to actually get the facts from people who know what their talking about.

so based on the way you describe it, it's more of a ongoing effort rather than something you can ship in a given version of windows. i would assume it will never really be complete.

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yeah mio basically said the same thing as brandon. from my experience they are the two people to trust when it comes to windows related stuff. but mio usually explains stuff a bit more ;)

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While MinWin may be in Windows 7, I'm not sure if it's complete.... and that all the indirect processes have been made to direct.

What the **** does that even mean?!

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What I mean is that MinWin is an attempt to detangle the whole mess of the kernel communications with the rest of the system, APIs, etc. What they've done is mapped many of the dependencies, so that they can determine now if certain components can be removed safely without breaking anything.

However in this mapping process, they've found that certain layers from kernel to usermode communicate in a such a manner, that processes aren't properly isolated -going all over the system i.e. you don't want B calling A, which then calls C, if A is at the bottom and C is at the top, it's inefficient and complicates things. So this inefficient calling is what I meant by indirect. And so now they're working on mapping all the processes, and rearranging the APIs, functions, etc. so that processes aren't going up and down through the layers, but have a direct path, and so killing an archaic API doesn't kill compatibility with modern apps, etc.

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Minwin is microsoft playing around with the guts of windows so that they are less dependent on each other.

A lot of tech companies do this. Heck nintendo even has played around with its own os.

The idea of min win I would think is already in vista. They started to unbundle everything in vista and they are continuing with it in windows 7.

The only thing I dont understand is wasnt windows 95 sort of unbundled ? How is it that they have to do all this work to unbundle everything again?

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They want to cut out the extra junk.... but Windows has become so complicated that it's difficult to. So now they're mapping and rearranging components to isolate processes, so that removal of junk doesn't ruin anything else. And possibly leading to a more "streamlined" communication process from kernel to the OS which may enhance performance.

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