Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I was one of those early adopters of Xbox, got it on launch day 2001 :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaJoR Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Ah. I remember when "Nintendo" was synonymous with gaming. That was of course before the N64 XD. Definitely the 360 is owning this generation. The wii has higher sales, but the wii is making it's own new market instead of using the existing market (that, ironically, nintendo founded after the crash of the early 80s). So, when it comes to the core market of gamers who are guarenteed to keep playing games, it is the 360 that is winning. So far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) I don't agree with you guys who are saying that the Wii is the biggest household name right now. It might be leading in sales but it seems that a lot of people don't even know how it works or what you actually do in the games. I was just at EB Games the other day and this middle aged guy was going to buy one for his kids but had no clue how it worked (he was ridiculously stupid however) and ended up getting a 360 because he thought it was too complicated. I'm not saying that happens a lot, I just don't think the Wii is doing quite as well as people think.I'd personally like to see the average games per Wii sold, I bet it's WAY under PS3 or 360. For one, there's hardly any good games on the machine, as well as it's staying power is very weak. When I had a Wii people played the Wii sports tennis game all the time, and then the novelty wore off. They wouldn't come over a few months later and wouldn't be like OMG lets play that tennis game again. Instead they'd want to play NHL 09 on PS3 for example, that's a game you can play years down the road, not just for a couple months. I remember with the original Xbox it made a record for most games owned per console, I bet a similar thing has happened with the 360. I was having this discussion with a couple friends a few months ago, and they were arguing how fun the Wii is, and that it is a good console to own. Now I asked them would you still keep it if it was the only console you could have, or would you rather have a 360/PS3? Everyone who actually plays games on a semi-regular basis would say PS3/360 because the Wii isn't a console you own solely, unless you are a casual gamer. Now as far as you people saying the Wii is ahead in household name, perhaps to some, and those are the people who never picked up a controller 3 years ago. Anyways, I believe that Xbox is taking over the household name right now, partly because of sales, but it's doing so well. Xbox LIVE is really driving the 360 to success, and Microsoft has come in from the cold some 8 years ago, and taken Sony back a lot, and Nintendo cant/doesn't compete in the same market even. Everyone will have their own opinion on this matter, but personally I believe the 360 is the biggest household name right now. How does 1 middle aged guy in EB counter-act the whole nation going nuts over the Wii and it constantly selling 600k+ a month, and at busy times reaching heights of 800k. Software has nothing to do with it being a household name, fact is the Wii is known by many more than just gamers, it is clearly the larger household name just now due to hardware units sold and the demand for it. and Nintendo cant/doesn't compete in the same market even That is funny, seems Nintendo is spanking the ass of both Sony and MS just now. As I said, I rank the Wii bottom in my opinion of gaming, but I ain't blind nor am I going to try and make up excuses downplaying the success of it right now. From an individual unit this generation it is currently the larger household name. Looking at the industry as a whole since it existed, the PS is still the largest household name due to the PS2 being in over 140 million homes, and PS 102 million. Edited December 11, 2008 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxor Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I work at GAME, and the Xbox 360 (including peripherals and games) out-sells the Playstation 3 2:1, I have to agree with OP that the 360 has more of a culture around it now when compared to the Playstation. Everyone who I ask what they're up to tonight usually says "I'm going home and playing on my 360". If I'd have asked them 5 years ago, it would've been the other way around. The Nintendo Wii is just a massive money-making tool by Nintendo, sure it's innovative, but when you talk about playing a good game, you don't think "Oh yeah, I'll get it for the Wii". The Nintendo Wii is a console that you get out once in a blue moon to play with your friends when you're drunk - it's a novelty item, very much like SingStar or the Eyetoy. I don't see any serious gamers playing those for 150 hours like they do Oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 How does 1 middle aged guy in EB counter-act the whole nation going nuts over the Wii and it constantly selling 600k+ a month, and at busy times reaching heights of 800k.Software has nothing to do with it being a household name, fact is the Wii is known by many more than just gamers, it is clearly the larger household name just now due to hardware units sold and the demand for it. That is funny, seems Nintendo is spanking the ass of both Sony and MS just now. As I said, I rank the Wii bottom in my opinion of gaming, but I ain't blind nor am I going to try and make up excuses downplaying the success of it right now. From an individual unit this generation it is currently the larger household name. Looking at the industry as a whole since it existed, the PS is still the largest household name due to the PS2 being in over 140 million homes, and PS 102 million. If you read my post I never said that is the case everywhere I was giving a real life example of my opinion. You seem to be the only person in this thread that believes that the Wii is a bigger household name than PS3/360, that doesn't mean you're wrong, however. There's no way to gauge this of course, it's all opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 If you read my post I never said that is the case everywhere I was giving a real life example of my opinion. You seem to be the only person in this thread that believes that the Wii is a bigger household name than PS3/360, that doesn't mean you're wrong, however. There's no way to gauge this of course, it's all opinion. It's not opinion, I'm merely looking at how much it has sold, and sells per week. That directly attributes to how large a household name the console currently has, nothing to do with opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 So when 360 was leading the console race it was the biggest household name, and now that the Wii has overtaken it, now it is? :unsure: Sales numbers don't directly translate into what the populace thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 So when 360 was leading the console race it was the biggest household name, and now that the Wii has overtaken it, now it is? :unsure: Sales numbers don't directly translate into what the populace thinks. Yeah, exactly. The 360 was the biggest household name, and the Wii overtook it. Sales numbers don't directly translate into what the populace thinks. Of course they do, the population has to think the way they are in order to buy it. If the 360 were a bigger household name, more people would be buying it than the Wii. It doesn't even have the price to entry issue the PS3 has, it's cheaper than the Wii now, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 That's flawed thinking AB, but you can think however you want lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 That's flawed thinking AB, but you can think however you want lol What evidence do you have to support the 360 being the larger household name then? As I think sales statistics are easily the most relevant. Or else you could be running around trying to say the Gamecube/Dreamcast/Xbox/N64 were larger household names than the PS1/PS2, which is simply not true. Whatever the population demand the highest quantities of is the most popular and largest household name. Most dictionary references quote a person or thing that is very well known That is the Wii, I doubt many of your parents not into gaming, or grandparents know what a 360/PS3 are over the Wii due to Nintendos marketing and the casual appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I have no evidence (why I called it opinion in the first place), but you are saying that it's a fact that the Wii is the bigger household name, how do YOU know? edit> The PS1/PS2 were clear household names at that point, everyone knew that. The sales numbers were so staggering in favour of Sony, that it really only was the clear winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 I have no evidence (why I called it opinion in the first place), but you are saying that it's a fact that the Wii is the bigger household name, how do YOU know?edit> The PS1/PS2 were clear household names at that point, everyone knew that. The sales numbers were so staggering in favour of Sony, that it really only was the clear winner. Which is exactly what's happening for Nintendo right now. The Wii pretty much outsells the 360 and PS3 combined each month. but you are saying that it's a fact that the Wii is the bigger household name, how do YOU know? Because I have evidence supporting my claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The PS2 sold hundreds of millions of consoles, and the Wii is ahead by maybe a few million, that is not enough gap to actually say it's the biggest household name. I can see you're pretty set on your opinion though.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 The PS2 sold hundreds of millions of consoles, and the Wii is ahead by maybe a few million, that is not enough gap to actually say it's the biggest household name.I can see you're pretty set on your opinion though.. lol The Wii has sold around 10-15 million more, not a few million :p IMO any gap shows favor of a household name, and in the situation we're in right now where I don't think the Wii has ever been outsold by the 360/PS3 in western territory I just find it strange to downplay or claim the other consoles are larger names. If they were, it wouldn't be so one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm saying that direct numbers don't have everything to do with a household name. People may not even own a console yet they consider 360/PS3 the mainstay gaming machines. Some people like me owned all 3 at one point and I still consider it to be the 360. There are other factors that contribute to people thinking that a certain console is the biggest. I'd say most people don't know the numbers at all and just go by what they hear. Maybe some people own a Wii and consider 360/PS3 to be the biggest console. I say this as well because I worked at Future Shop (owned by Best Buy) and worked in the computers section which is right next to the gaming section and people would talk about the 360 much more than the Wii. Perhaps it's my location, but the Wii doesn't seem to be as popular around here. You have to consider other points than just strict numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm saying that direct numbers don't have everything to do with a household name. People may not even own a console yet they consider 360/PS3 the mainstay gaming machines. Some people like me owned all 3 at one point and I still consider it to be the 360. There are other factors that contribute to people thinking that a certain console is the biggest. I'd say most people don't know the numbers at all and just go by what they hear. Maybe some people own a Wii and consider 360/PS3 to be the biggest console. I say this as well because I worked at Future Shop (owned by Best Buy) and worked in the computers section which is right next to the gaming section and people would talk about the 360 much more than the Wii. Perhaps it's my location, but the Wii doesn't seem to be as popular around here. You have to consider other points than just strict numbers. But cases of saying "people around here", or "in this shop I was in" are hardly relevant to the big picture. If I meet up with my friends, everyone of them will say the Wii blows. In my local Gamestation in Motherwell, roughly the same thing will happen as I know most of the staff as friends. People working in these shops tend to be passionate gamers, not the mass influx of casuals buying the Wii. The casual population think the Wii is the biggest name as shown by the sales figures. Sony/MS aren't capturing these buyers in the strength Nintendo is, and they are human beings, their purchases aren't invalid in relation to household name just because they don't bleed hardcore games :p The Wii is by far the most popular gaming console this generation, but I've said many times now things can change year on year so I don't know why people are so defensive against the Wii's trojan horse success as it stands. Probably just as they don't want to admit to a device they dislike being bigger than one they do. All I'm doing is feeding back the relevant analysis of how the market is today, I'm not trying to claim who will be the biggest household name in 3/4/5 years. Numbers show who is most popular, numbers show how many devices are in homes, numbers show the request for demand. They are by far the best statistic to measure what we're talking about. You even admitted it yourself writing off the PS2s competitors by saying the PS2 had sold more, so we knew it was a bigger name. If the Wii is currently ahead by the amount it is, why is it suddenly a different case for Nintendo? We have a long way to go anyway. Interesting discussion, but I fail to see how I can contribute anything else, I've made my relationship between sales and household name clear, so just agree/disagree, whatever you want :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I do see your points, but I still disagree hehe :p Anyways good chat, I'm going to bed it's 3:20am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 yeah everyone has a Wii, even old couples like my grandparents..even my bosses mum! My parents didn't even realize i had a ps3, so i declare the WII the winner of this generation of consoles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 11, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted December 11, 2008 yeah everyone has a Wii, even old couples like my grandparents..even my bosses mum! My parents didn't even realize i had a ps3, so i declare the WII the winner of this generation of consoles! :rofl: It is so far t0mbi, but hold yer horses. If last generation is anything to go by, we've still got a good 6-7, maybe even more years to go. Which was part of the point I'm making, I'm only analysing the market as it stands. Anything outside of that is speculative and does become opinion. As you have no possible statistical evidence to backup saying in 2012 the Wii will be the winner. Just a tip though, keep enjoying gaming folks, all of this chat is interesting, but it hardly impacts on how much fun we're having (Y) :p On the note of history, I'm away to play the Xbox remake of Shenmue 2 on my 360! Never played a Shenmue game before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 just watched the history of xbox..pretty cool! but every time i think of bill gates i think of that picture of him holding a cheeseburger promoting the new controller S, when you look at the hand closely, its totally a woman's beautifully manicured hand lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokajinn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 My first console was the NES. Now my main gaming machine is a PC second is the Xbox. This xmas i bought a Wii and Wii fit. I think the interactive aspect of the Wii is what has made such a household name. I mean to the older generation, what the 360 and ps3 have to offer is nothing new aside from graphics and power. We grew up with the controll and the console and button mashing. Now with the Wii, we can swing our arm and punch and aim and swim and so on. I am sure some people here remember such things like the baseball bat for sega. The one that you could use in the game and swing with. How fun that was, short lived but fun. Now we have the Wii and it is not short lived by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbytomorow Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I believe it has a stronger presence more than any other console on the market imo. Maybe in the US but I highly doubt that also. The PS3 has already passed the 360 in sales in Europe and Asia and in less time on the market and its pretty well selling on par with the 360 in NA, the PS2 is still selling strong worldwide and its at what? 140+ million units to date? Then theres the PSP.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Maybe in the US but I highly doubt that also. The PS3 has already passed the 360 in sales in Europe and Asia and in less time on the market and its pretty well selling on par with the 360 in NA, the PS2 is still selling strong worldwide and its at what? 140+ million units to date? Then theres the PSP.... Don't belive all the lies Sony throw out the door these days, 360 is smashing PS3 in sales in Australia since day 1. And wasn't even able to over take the 360 at launch. Wait, what? no ones talking about the PS2 not selling strong or beating the xbox in its hay day, or the PSP competing with the DS. WHERE TALKING ABOUT THE LATEST GENERATION CONSOLE and which of those has a larger name. 1 - Yes Wii has outsold both by a far margin, its a party console aimed at everyone. I't wont get away with the motion technology next generation but. So hopefully they can come up with something just as innovating. 2 - To dedicated/hardcore gamers 360 now holds a good lead over ther PS3 and will continue for this generation untill next, the games, live, apart from the RRoD Microsoft got it right this time around. Lets just hope they do more product testing next time around. 3 - PS3 isn't beating the 360 or Wii even with the massive install and fan base of the PS2 which must still be a worry to them, they shouldn't of paraded around saying how "super awesome" the graphics would be and that they would blow away the 360 when the 360 still looks better and is an older console. Cell was to hyped and wont be in the next generation, yes its great as a super calculator and for running applications and calculations per minute but NOT a gaming console. I belive Sony realise coding for a system should be easier and will work on that next time around aswell. Not to mention they will really start competing against live punch for punch because online is such a massive part of console gaming now. Out come. Wii, great party console will win this generation in hardware sales alone but more and more people are starting to realise the problem of 3rd party game support, (reason I sold mine) 360, Microsoft took a massive blow with the RRoD problem not just with sales and money but gamer confidence aswell, there online gaming is 2nd to none and they will continue to improve apon it. 360 will have strongest software sales out of all 3 consoles at the end of this generation. PS3, Sony know the mistakes they have made but will continue to push and try and rectify themself instead of continual boasting. Both the 360 and PS3 will come close in terms of hardware sales, but unless they start getting more killer PS3 only games the PS3 will end up serving more use as a Bluray player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbytomorow Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Don't belive all the lies Sony throw out the door these days, 360 is smashing PS3 in sales in Australia since day 1. And wasn't even able to over take the 360 at launch. You were saying? :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 You were saying? :woot: Ahh, the time when the 35,000 PS3s where given away for free with TV's. And im sure Sony wouldnt of counted them towards sales :rolleyes: http://www.sony.com.au/homecinema/article.jsp?id=4047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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